schmik

couldn't be bothered.

couldn't be bothered.

couldn't be bothered. Actually..... it should be held in the middle of the beach. The beach is 30km long. In the middle you wouldn't be seen at all from birubi... and they'd never find the buried ranger. ahahahahah

couldn't be bothered.

couldn't be bothered.

couldn't be bothered.

Joel, not a comment at you. Just a comment..... Unclassified makes it unlawful? Really? I am not a lawyer but what happened to "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY". Don't we have a constitution in this country to protect us from this sort of thing. Would the DECC argument stand up in any sort of court? Secondly, we are not a vehicle, especially a kiteboard or landboard (buggy or blowkart?????) and should not be classified as such. Thanks for your efforts guys! mike

You misunderstood. The DECC need to be advised that they should let us be. I am not saying do nothing. I am say that they need to be convinced that we are like runners, or walkers or fishermen NOT 4wds. We do not need to be regulated like that. BTW alerting them to this thread (coz i doubt they are regular XK readers) is just stupid. Either they have been alerted to this site/thread or you are bluffing. If you plan on strategy discussions take place here then why alert them to this thread? Talk about showing your hand. mike

The whole point of going somewhere as remote as stockton is that the above is not needed. Have you been there? It's like a desert! If you had an event somewhere in the middle no one would even know. The place is that big. Before you apply all of the above you have to apply common sense. As i said, what's next. Risk assessments and disclaimers for a casual sunday arvo session with a few lads? I'm asking that the DECC follow what is know as 'fair process' and apply 'common sense'. In this case it does not mean regulating that shit out a few gits mucking around with kites and buggies. Sure.... when you get 30 buggies racing at 60k and 200 spectators then fill out your forms to your hearts content, have insurance but until then, "let it be". BTW, given a choice of a 4wd or buggy at 60kph, i'll take the buggy. It's not the same. mike

Is this some form of legalised theft? Seriously WTF is happening to this country? These guys should get paid danger money. Someday, some council knob will try to 'confiscate' something off some iced up junkie or gun weilding thug and pay the price. THe whole thing is soooooo stoopid! (like my spelling). "Honey I'm off for a kite surf" "Ok, did you get a permit today?" "Ah shit, it's 4:45pm I'll never get out and get one on time" .... "Damn its a public holiday and the permit office is closed". The whole point of this is that this OVER regulation of our leisure time has to stop. The best thing to negotiate is for them to leave us alone. Other wise.... first it's your kite, then "you need a permit for that board" and eventually, "hey they aren't regulation wheels you can't use that". The best outcome is for the DECC to be convinced that this is a stupid idea and to drop it. Just because some ranger thinks it's a good idea does not mean the people in charge also think so. That is why you should not just bend over and take the first poke they give you. Where will it end? a turnstyle at each end of every beach where you have to fill out a form just to take a walk with the Mrs? Kiting needs to be lumped in with walking, jogging, surfing, swimming etc. NOT 4wds, quads, motorbikes etc. By agreeing to being treated like that is not fair on all kiters. mike

As i said.... it's best I don't deal with them. And, i am not shooting you. I am pissed at these silly DECC-heads. IMO, they are idiots, so if THEY allow me to kite there and something does happen, can i sue them instead of using my AKSA insurance? mike

I object their version of consent if that means a permit. I object to the idea of it too. IMO i don't need their permission and am offended by the fact that they think i should have to ask them. Roadway.......... with no line markings.... where pedestrians share the 'road' with cars... and horses. And you can lay a towels down and sunbathe.... yeah, just like the pacific highway. Again, COMMON SENSE! Do these people wear a clown nose and funny shoes when they tell these jokes? mike

I certainly can not get involved in dealing with this because I will not be capable of playing nicely with the DECC. The whole thing is just too big brother for me. As far as i am concerned they do not have the rights to police my actions on an expanse of land that large. 4wds are allowed and HAVE killed people on stockton (but the greenies like that!) so I will take it upon myself to kite further up the beach where the 4wds are allowed. Common sense would have it i am safer than a 4wd (and a kiter has never killed anyone). As at this stage i would have payed to have my 4wd on the beach (fair enough as they tear the place up and the money collected pays for the damage) so i am NOT paying twice. Kite activites are about as "tread lightly" as they come. Although I would love to see some DECC official DRIVE up to me and try to argue that his 4wd is safer and has less impact than a landboard. And if all else fails i will unhook, and as him to "hold this for a minute". Problem solved. I agree that we do not need to wage war on them but they want to regulate us and we are urged to bend over and take it politely. The first course of action should be a campaign of highlighting how rediculas they are being. Should we be insured, YES should we kite in a responsible and SAFE manner, YES should we allow ourselves to be pushed around? NO A bike is vehicle, a scooter is a vehicle, should these need permits? And these things are used in high traffic areas all over the country. FFS stockton is like desert. mike

The NSW DECC (Dept of Environment and Climate Change), aka fcuking idiot greenies, can kiss my ass. WTF are they thinking? How the F is kitesurfing, in the WATER, any of their fcuking business. QUAD bikes are ok? 4wds are ok, motor bikes.... BUT kites and buggies? What about all the horses that trot up and down and leave their non native species sh1t everywhere. Get a grip. Oh and let me guess???? the permit will cost money. The greenies won't be happy until all peple are dead.... they should help the cause by all committing suicide. mike

I agree with Luke, the P3 is a much better kite. The depower on the P2 was not that good, nor was the safety. I had a 7m P2, 8m P3 and 13m P3. And 03 9.5m frenzy and 12m 06 Frenzy. I'd suggest the p3 13 too. It has more power than the frenzy and is stable. Although.... a kite that large would be fun in your light winds. mike

Tell em they're dreamin! mike

Tell em the price son! pads only that is? mike

No idea about the 2006/2007 triton but the latest one is supposed to be pretty good.... class leading power and can come with a factory diff lock. Of course the hilux is great but gets a toyota price tag. The navara D22 (older shape but they can still be baught new) is supposed to be great too. The new shape navara is supposed to fall to bits off road. Check the nissan site. They are both on there. Or.... go original. Get a Landrover defender dual cab ute. Style!!!!! http://www.landrover.com.au/au/en/vehicles/defender/compare-models-and-prices/130-crew-cab-chassis.htm mike

You are luck I want to sell my 8m psycho3. I also have a 10m and there is just too much overlap for me to keep them both. I have had it since new and it is in A1 condition because i mostly use the 10m. Send me a PM if you are interested. cheers mike

Nice.... death machine! Probably before my time too. I'd love to have a go on one. I think the oldest thing i have flown was a PL Peel. Seriously... it was 8m(ish) and had the bottom end of a 19m FS SA. The blade 2 4.9 was scary above 20kn (and i was VERY heavy back then). Now, a 12m is the norm for 2okn. WTF? Ok they turn faster and have depower............ but power per sq meter they DO NOT HAVE. mike

Here is a blast form the past........ (not that long ago really..........i pretty much stopped going there when teh humps were installed) mike

Jesus.......... I am in shock. This used to be my 'homeground'. I used to be there most arvos if it was windy. SUre it's gusty as shit but in a NE it's actually quite good. I will dust off the landboard next time people are headed there, just let me know. BUT, and this is important, it is not called Silverwater. The park is offiacially know as "THE JAIL SPOT". Especially in a NE you are not allowed to boost too large. If you do you may just become bubbas girlfriend for the night Don't forget, the entire area is under surveilance with cameras and the rangers will come along and talk to you. I've never had a prob but i have always been very nice and always ensure they knew i had insurance. Go hard! boost off the humps! mike

Ok... So thats 116kph fixed bridle in a bug. Kitesurf has done 94kph on a depower. One is sitting, one is standing, one is on a smooth surface, one is on a rough surface. I think that when it comes to tops speed it comes down to windspeed. The kind of kite and the type of craft do not matter much. Having said that, i think the pro racing fixed bridles are probably the MOST EFFICENT kites available. For power per sqaure meter these things would be king. But..... most of the speed racing done on snow is done with depowers. I missed fixed bridles soooo bad when i first got rid of all of mine that i kept going out and buying more. I liked how physical it was to fly them. I liked the forearm workout... now i just beet off more to stay in shape Some times i do this in the air when i am soaring on my depower, after all you only need one hand to fly it. What else would YOU do with your spare hand? mike

How about a 'frot' sword fight? Look that up on google! mike

That last post disappeared..... you two got a room didn't ya! where was my invite? mike