Ainsdale Update

[carl999]

Soz if you think this thread has gone to the dogs but discussion on these forums often gives the wrong impression, personally I feel all clubs need to find a way to encourage youngsters into this sport and then do our best to support them, this rule about age does appear to be a little on the side of "social exclusion" which fails to comply with the governments white paper on "a healthier nation".

 

I do however agree that Ainsdale needs a safe system of practice in place to ensure the safety & well being of the youngsters using the beach, hopefully SCC can fully support us all in delivering such a system which will not enforce uneccessary liabilities on club members.

 

Children taking part in water sports come under different guidelines than us land based guys, I will concentrate my efforts in assisting land based children & leave the water based children for AOSKSC.(water)

 

AOSPKC (land) are looking into this issue of children further, we will keep our members informed.

 

Carl.

[ShapeShifter]

Carl - I appreciate your input here mate, dont get me wrong...we do have to get toghether and thrash this out properly, prefferably not online....and face to face with the council.

 

Other peoples rants do not help.

 

I re itterate - we need to call a meeting if the issue of youguns is to be addressed.

I'll speak to Aworm and scotty and chris and see what we can sort out.

 

Lets face it, if Aaron Hadlow wasnt allowed to kite at his beach - where would the UK scene be now ?

[carl999]

Yea I agree Ron, discussion on here can sometimes only move further forwards in a face to face meeting along with the council, I have asked questions in the direction of the PKSF and it is here where I have found out that water sports and children are viewed differently than land, I think it is best to let the water based guys get on with sorting something for the young uns using the water.

 

Carl.

[CoyoteBoy]

I'm already CRB'd, from taking out groups on expeditions in the hills, but i have insurance to cover that if it goes wrong - though I still risk jail if it goes wrong. Keeping an eye on them isnt much use though, providing they are tested to a set standard theres no reason for them not to surf - apart from the legalities. A disclaimer agreement etc may also be needed from their parents to accept that the club accepts no responisiblity for their actions etc.

[big-jon]

I know this is off topic, but what are the views of the PKSF to under 16's? I am guessing that as the Fed and the PKSF have the same insurance policy it may be the same, in that all under 16's must have perental supervision.

 

Thanks

[ShapeShifter]

Cheers Carl - I'll get onto the others -

 

Jamesy - be careful what you admit to - your weekends may never be the same again.....is emma CRB'd too ?

[PaulLaurie]

I know this is off topic, but what are the views of the PKSF to under 16's? I am guessing that as the Fed and the PKSF have the same insurance policy it may be the same, in that all under 16's must have perental supervision.

 

Thanks

 

In which case whatever the Club(s) or Council policy is regarding under 16s is irrelevant. If you must have insurance you must have parental supervision if under 16 else your insurance will be invalid? the wording is obviously important, does it say 'parental' or 'Adult'?

[carl999]

I know this is off topic, but what are the views of the PKSF to under 16's? I am guessing that as the Fed and the PKSF have the same insurance policy it may be the same, in that all under 16's must have perental supervision.

 

You guessed wrong John, they are very different, PKSF covers kite surfing, like I said above water & land are very different, lets let the water based guys carry on using this thread for their own issues.

 

Carl.

[aworm]

I'm not supporting this thread any further (Ron I suggest you do the same) but want to point out that the cost of rashies is not included in club membership (this is just £5 when you join the BKSA) and is tbc. They are silver and will have the BKSA logo on the back and the club name on the front.

[CoyoteBoy]

I think this thread, although its wandered a little from its original purpose, still holds some questions that need to be answered. I presume they'll be answered as soon as possible to clear things up for people, seems a little like throwing your cat amongst the pigeons then walking away lol. I think the key issue is needing the rules and regs written down for all to see, and if they dont agree - go through the proper channels instead of debating it on a forum.

 

As for the rashies: Good colour choice Nice and neutral so i can get any colour kit to go with it.

 

J

[aworm]

Just to answer that point CB..The preliminary rules and regs were presented at a meeting some months ago at an open meeting between clubs members and the council with the opportunity for feedback and debate( and yes there was some!).When these have been finalised they will be presented.

 

Rashie colours will change each year..

[spooky]

Hi, May be slightly off topic, but may tie in with whats happening, but I have to ask (sorry) now that Sefton Coucil are accepting PKSF insurance for the official club, is there a need to have 3 seperate clubs at Ainsdale (or 2 for land?)?

 

Would this not be a good time to join forces so to speak?

 

And on insurance, yes if you have it but are not part of the club or under 16/18 and not being supervised you are breaking the requirements and hence not insured, BUT how will it be sorted (ie will the club or officials be held responcible in anyway shape or form or have the permission to kite put at risk) IF some one has no insurance in the first place?

Be it because they are there on holiday, so don't care or feel they have no option but to do so due to other requirements (ie under 16/18)? Only ask as feel it has not been answered, as it keeps being mentioned that the "club" has been granted permission to use beach etc provided they do the above?

 

BUT think it could be an issue with non insured/memebers due to the fact it is a popular holiday destination, unlike say Pendine, where due to it's location people tend to travel there just to kite and as such become memebers, so yo do not really get "day trippers" just turning up?

 

Best of luck, Jon

[Howard Marks]

Get over to muppets lagoon and session with ali b - He gets the respect he deserves from his older peers at south shore.

 

Don't take the bate...chill:)

 

I don't understand why this has happend..its obvious someones opened their mouth!

 

More council

 

More clubs

 

More bull****!

 

Kite flying is supposed to be a chilled way to spend your weekends. Ainsdale is yet again a battle ground for the kite club warriors...whens the beach going to shut for a second time because silly adults can't get their **** together.

 

What a mess!

[big-jon]

Spooky I can only speak for the land side of stuff, we can offer daily membership and insurance to anyone who wishes to use the beach. If they are under 16 then under Fed rules they must be supervised by a parent/guardian.

 

As for the clubs joining together we (TASKC) have been trying to join with the other land based club for a while it is them that is stopping it going any furtherl as for water and land clubs joining together, who knows it may happen?

[CoyoteBoy]

Jamesy - be careful what you admit to - your weekends may never be the same again.....is emma CRB'd too ?

 

Lol, yeah, im so damn innocent i didnt even spot that glaring hilarity. Damn! And yes, Emma is CRB'd too, shes a workshop leader with disabled kids so has had that for a while now.

 

J

[xdavemarshallx]

Hi all

 

Just read through most of this thread and have become very intreigued. Usually anything that gets Spooky this involved is a good read. You speak a lot of sence Spooky, I don't think there was anything you said that I didn't agree with!!

 

Ok, this doesn't really affect me at the moment as I am not yet into kitesurfing, but one day I aim to be. Sorry if this has been answered, it was a long read, I have probably missed some bits out. I don't really mind paying £10 or whatever it was to join the club, but my question is why would I be tied to the PKSF? I currently have BBC insurance (who supply the PKSF I believe!) which coveres me for all kiting activites. Why would I be forced to take out insurance with another organisation providing exactally the same cover? I read that when you join the PKSF you agree to a code of conduct, but surely the club membership would include one anyway? If all beaches/sites were to do this with different organisations, I would end up having to be insured about five times (PKSF, FED BBC etc), probably all through the BBC at the end of the line?

 

With regards to the land and water clubs all being independant, this seems a bit silly. I am guessing it may be down to silly matcho clubs refusing to co-operate with eachother. We have experienced this with a local non-traction club in Wiltshire. Having to join two clubs, one to use the sea and one for the sand is just plain inefficiency at its worst! Hopefully I can be proven wrong and it will soon be possible to join one club for the water and sand.

 

Happy winds

 

Dave

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[gingerob19]

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erm why this thread?