line length vs. kite size

[Rumle DK105]

Hello

I just began to drive buggy, and have a question about line length

I have been told that instead of changing kite size it is

possible to change the line length instead of

Are there some one here who can explain to me is the team

between line length and kite size

Last time I was out and drive the wind dropped so much that some one chose longer

lines and other chose bigger kites instead?

What is best:

Small kite with longer lines or bigger kite with shorter lines?

and are there any significant differences

Is there a general rule for line length?

Rumle DK 105

Ps.

I apologize for the wording but

I have used Google translate

[Oooo]

hello and welcome to EK here in aussie as far as line length goes there is no rule !! you fly what you want or like most are around 20-24 meters long now to explaine the difference between long or short lines is this . 1 short lines = less time kite is in the power zone so can = less power . 2 longer lines = more time in the power zone = more power . it is BETTER as a new flyer to change kite size rather than line length , i have tried 18meter lines on a race kite a 3m (PKD Combat) in higher winds and liked it a lot but when wind is lighter it still has enough power but dose lack some sometimes so a lot of it is trial and error but if you are thinking to do it to help you fly in more wind range DON'T learn to fly with the lines the kite comes with first and pick the right days hope this helps ,

and by the way ? where are you from ?

[Rumle DK105]

Hi Wolfie

I'm from the other side ... Denmark

I hope it is ok that I write in this forum, because I have tried to find answers to my question in several forums and it seems that I have asked a question that only very few can / will answer that, actually only 2! persons who have answered

if I understand your answer correctly, then it give more speed / drag if I run with longer lines than if I run with short lines.

has it some effect on steering characteristics?

Long lines = slow response / short lines = fast response?

you write that I should not use the lines as kite comes along, why not?

I just ordered a set of Century ll from PKD, supplied without lines, but I usually use "Climax Combat Speed​​" lines, the ones I've been recommended

[Chook]

but if you are thinking to do it to help you fly in more wind range DON'T learn to fly with the lines the kite comes with first and pick the right days hope this helps ,

He missed out the full stop......... start another sentance.

So to translate from wolfies "New Zealand" to "English" it is as follows.

but if you are thinking to do it to help you fly in more wind range DON'T.

Learn to fly with the lines the kite comes with first and pick the right days hope this helps ,

and by the way ? where are you from ?

This will make more sence and welcome to the forum.

[andy666]

The idea of longer lines is that the kite now has to travel futher to get from one side of the wind window to the other. The speed of the kite doesn't change, but because it has to travel further it is now going to spend more time in the power zone.

[koma]

My understanding is that the kite can potentially build up more speed as it passes through the wind window, therefore potentially generating more power. The other reason for longer lines generating more power is that the kite can stay in the power zone for longer as it effectively has to travel further across the sky (as Andy666 said above). As to which has more of an effect on the power generated... i've no clue!

Turning speed of the kite shouldn't change significantly as the same control input is still being transferred to the kite, but as there is potentially more line stretch as well as drag over the length of the lines, the kite may feel more sluggish to turn. The perceived speed of the kite across the window will also be slower however as i first said, by enlarging the wind window your allowing more time for the kite to build up speed, therefore more apparent wind, therefore more power.

[Rumle DK105]

If I understand it correctly:

a small kite with short lines = small drag but a bit faster in the turns,than with long lines

a small kite with long lines = slightly better drag but slightly slower in the turns, than with short lines

a greater kite with short lines = greater drag and a bit faster in the turns, than with long lines

a greater kite with longer lines = slightly greater drag but slightly slower in the turns, than with short lines

so if the wind drops, I should choose a bigger kite, with same lines, rather than install longer line at the kite i am using,

to achieve the same speed without losing control properties

After I wrote this, I better understand why I am a bit confused

please tell me if I got it wrong

Rumle

by the way it's nice to get good and quick response, thanks

[JKS]

Hey Rumle ... wleocome to XK

Another advantage that longer lines can bring is giving you the ability to fly you kite higher in the air which is usefull if you are in a position where the wind down lower is being effected by structure (eg Trees, Buildings) The air up higher will 'tend' to be cleaner and smoother ... though I stress that every location is diffferent.

Longer lines will require more attention when judging your distances, especially if your reactions are used to your normal length lines.eg ... how far away is that kid.

If you are having someone assist you to land or launch they are now twice as far away and may be harder to communicate with.

I find flying long lines usefull in the right circumstances and conditions. The speed/power the kite flies does not increase or decrease, it's the time spent generating these things that increases so the end result is more

Marty

[andy666]

so if the wind drops, I should choose a bigger kite, with same lines, rather than install longer line at the kite i am using,

This is the easiest option if you are still learning.

[Oooo]

If I understand it correctly:

a small kite with short lines = small drag but a bit faster in the turns,than with long lines

a small kite with long lines = slightly better drag but slightly slower in the turns, than with short lines

:

hi Rumle , sorry about the fullstop !! Now as you say above (small drag ) we call this time in the power zone so yes less time in the power zone = less drag and kite will turn a little bit faster ,.

longer lines longer in the power zone so = more drage with only a little less turn speed .

but line length dose not change the kites normal turn speed by much long or short and trying not to confuse you as you seem new but longer lines in put from handle to line is a bit slower than short lines that is what makes the difference not size of kite i hope this helps .??

NOW one more thing i think you said you would get kites without lines so what i ask is what wind speed do you have the most like 10-15 kph or 15-20 or over 20 ? as this may help in choosing a line length for your kites if say between 10-15 go for 24 meter lines if 15-20 plus go for 20 meter length i think but that is my opinion tho so all the best

regards mike

[Hamil]

Hej Rumle, velkommen til XK:)

Jeg er ny på drageflyvning så godt. Du spurgte et meget godt spørgsmål, som jeg ikke havde overvejet før. Så tak for også at øge min viden fra den anden side af kloden.

[BGKD]

Watch out guys, let these Danes have their way and before you know it they will be banning the use of Vegemite on the forum!!

[Rumle DK105]

I think I'm about to catch it

The actual tractive force is determined only by the kite size

The line length gives a larger power zone = more room to maneuver and there for more time to gain momentum in the cart, but give a little bit slower turning

Can you go closer into the wind when using longer lines?

I prefer to drive in 5-8 m / sec = 18-29 kph which I usually use 18-20m. lines,

but up to 10-12 m / sec = 36-43 kph is ok that I use 14-16 m lines

I once tried to drive in 14 m / sec = 50.5 kph and that is not ok , I was pulled out of the car and one of drag lines broken

when the wind is under 3m/sec = 10 kph, it's time for coffee break

Hi BGKD

My English is not so good that I understand all the words you are using, but you should not be afraid of the Danes to take over this forum, we are only 113 members of the Danish para cart clup, and at this year's Danish Championship, we are only 10 participant

[Oooo]

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Can you go closer into the wind when using longer lines?

I prefer to drive in 5-8 m / sec = 18-29 kph which I usually use 18-20m. lines,

but up to 10-12 m / sec = 36-43 kph is ok that I use 14-16 m lines

Hi BGKD

1, can you go closer to the wind ? not realy that is more to do with the kite , a high aspecet kite( like a combat) will be better and also the bigger the kite you can fly the better for upwind or closer to the wind as you say

2, your line length seems ok to me and your experence of flying too as you say you go to shorter lines already in stronger winds

3 , HI BGKD ,Dont mind him hes a POM !!! (ENGLAND , BRITISH , ENGLISH !! ) I call him HAZZARD !!as he gets in the way lots but he is a so i put up with him

hope this helps you and you translation is not so bad !!!