needakite mike Posted June 8, 2005 Report Posted June 8, 2005 i recon right that we all just decide on a policey where we can all kite i dont see the difference between under 16 and over 16 (even though i will be old enough some of my mates wont) and the all of us are better then some kitesurfers and alot less dangerous than adults and if something goes wrong then were all screwed who really cares just kite and stop with all the rule changing it was fine the way it used to be a permit and insurance to do everything Quote
aworm Posted June 9, 2005 Author Report Posted June 9, 2005 Mike there already is a dedicated kite surf area. THis STOPS at a level with the Rangers tower on the Discovery Centre.Lots of kiters were well north of this last Saturday and in the swimming and bird zone.This has to stop otherwise we face a ban.If you find yourself up that end of the beach and unable to get back then you need to get out and walk back.I'm not suggesting that this is you Ability has nothing to do with U16's needing supervision. Quote
needakite mike Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 so if im 16 by when this thingy comes in im ok to kite but my mates cant because their half a year behind the only reason id ever go downwind is becasue their is always crap learners strait across from the place and i want to avoid accidents and why did the rule have to change Quote
ShapeShifter Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 Mike - I think you have to understand that we have not set this rule, its all to do with the insurances and cover and the risk assesment of the site and its users. Its not personal as I'm sure you really do understand. C'mon, its a small price to pay to preserve your access to the beach. I'm sure you want to kite for longer than this summer dont you ? Its not gonna be a Gestapo kind of reigime - more like a polite British counryside approach.... C'mon, stick with us on this and lets be united. SOLIDARITY PEOPLE!!!!!! POWER TO THE KITERS! so if im 16 by when this thingy comes in im ok to kite but my mates cant because their half a year behind the only reason id ever go downwind is becasue their is always crap learners strait across from the place and i want to avoid accidents and why did the rule have to change Quote
ShapeShifter Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 Jon - Permits will be available but at a price I beleive....I will confirm what price when I know. I too like the idea at W.ho...however here is the score at ainsdlae. If you drive up to the barrier in summer, you can kite from anywhere south of that but before the bathing area at formby point. its a long walk but ok to kite. to the other end you can kite as far as the discovery center. as there is aprotected bird zone after that. As you can see there is plenty of room for everyone but there are still public areas and these have to be safeguarded and seen to be by ourselves. Dont take the changes too much to heart, I'm sure we will all manage this and rise above it. Regds. Ron. Hi Good news, that was one of my concerns that like some other clubs you had to obtain permits etc in advance. Fully understand the coucil wishing to check everyone is insured etc, just feel liek restricting this is not help as all it does is push people to other areas, casuing issues there? I like the approach at Westward Ho! Yes insurance and helmets are required, but policy is Sod off up the other end, thats your zone, your out of the way of regular people, so go have some fun? Sorry but is that to simple? Yes you will get some people who ignore, areunaware (how??) or wish to stick with their families, but these will stick out amoungst sun bathers and as such can be delt with, with out effecting those who are being sencible? Best of luck, Jon Quote
needakite mike Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 well according to this new rule my mates wont be able to kite at ainsdale because theyre too young and have no adult that will stay with them while they kite so they will ave to give up kiting until theyre old enough Quote
ShapeShifter Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 Hiya Mike, Thats unfortunate mate. I'm sorry to hear it but so far as you said - its only half a year ? there are still places to go until then arent there ? you are right _ i hate this myself but we got to do it for the longterm good. as you know i have been kiting near you recently and find it great fun to watch and interact with you guys> little jake is brilliant and i will be sorry to see you guys off the water unless you have an adult. thats the truth ron QUOTE=needakite mike]well according to this new rule my mates wont be able to kite at ainsdale because theyre too young and have no adult that will stay with them while they kite so they will ave to give up kiting until theyre old enough Quote
needakite mike Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 so aslong as we are 16 we can kite on our own Quote
SandMonster Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 ..also Mike & James, when you are 16 then you can act as the responsible adult for the others (I think), so the problem goes away...you guys are some of the best kiters on the beach...don't get too pi55ed off by this Quote
ShapeShifter Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 so when do this rule come in July 1st Mike. I'll trry to confirm whether you can act as adult for your buddies and get back to you - Aworm might be able to shed some light there.... Quote
needakite mike Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 July 1st Mike. I'll trry to confirm whether you can act as adult for your buddies and get back to you - Aworm might be able to shed some light there.... im 16 on the 13 of july Quote
Bobby Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 ...the only reason id ever go downwind is becasue their is always crap learners strait across from the place and i want to avoid accidents ... What a crap comment. Listen dude - bit off topic but I was probably one of those 'crap' learners - you want to make me into a 'non-crap' learner, then come and tell me what I'm doing wrong or where I should be. Don't lay your troubles off on the guys trying their hardest and doing their best. Quote
roguetrooper Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 I hear this kind of comment a lot when I'm playing online on the PS2. Youngsters for some reason expect everyone to be as expert as they are. I've lost count of the times we've had people joining our oldies gaming community because they are sick of being blown up out in the open by a grenade (when you're new, you have no idea where they're coming from) and called a useless n00b by some spotty 15 year old who plays the game 18 hours a day. If only driving instructors were more ruthless in their comments to young learner drivers so it would give them a taste of their own medicine Quote
needakite mike Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 no bobby saw you kitesurfing and you were good dont know how many times youve been out but you were actually lookin alright just lean back a it more. i only sed that commment because when people are learning where the other kitesurfers are because this can cause disaster i remember when i was learning i made this mistake but soon realise i should move away until i learn properly Quote
needakite mike Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 and rouge trooper dono what your on about never played more the 3 hours a day on a computer bit sad computer games i think as you could be doing what your doing on a computer game outside Quote
roguetrooper Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 and rouge trooper dono what your on about Then perhaps you shouldn't comment on it. Besides, you have to have something to do on a rainy day other than sitting in your bedroom and masturbating eh Personally, I prefer to run around in the jungle with 16 other people shooting the crap out of each other. Quote
ShapeShifter Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 IMHO - Mike is doing the right thing moving downwind. In most kitebeaches around the world , its the learners that need to be down or upwind of the established. Anyway ladies, back on topic please ! Quote
spooky Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 HI Sounds good, But have to ask if people were kitesurfing North of teh cut off point, why is not something being done about it (by teh council) rather than teh old problem of all being banned? IMHO those who are demonstrating they are tossers shold be banned, just like those who show they are responcible and kite safely should be allowed to do so unhindered? By that I mean with out the need for a club only approach Because if with a club people are still being t0ssers then, the club side of things is not a solution (in that case)? Ref permits I take it there must be wardens of some sort? So how about all you need to do is show proof of insurance and get a ticket (50p for admin as all they are doing is looking at your card?). I agree that it could be then harder for them to spot those out kiting who have not got a permit (which rashies would help, but they cost more and not garrentted to have one in my size and you woudl have to get back in time to get your deposit?). BUT rangers could do spot checks when on patrol (so woudl not take up much if any of their time) plus, lets be honest, IMHO it is only teh ones who were being t0ssers that woudl need to be delt with, so if you were flying safeluy is there a need to come and check any way? (odds on those flying safely woudl have insurnace?). One quick question, now there are 3 clubs up their (one water and two land) and as the council still accept PKSF insurance, do you have to join both clubs (1 water and 1 land) if you wish to kitesurf and landboard/buggy? Best of luck, Jon Jon - Permits will be available but at a price I beleive....I will confirm what price when I know. I too like the idea at W.ho...however here is the score at ainsdlae. If you drive up to the barrier in summer, you can kite from anywhere south of that but before the bathing area at formby point. its a long walk but ok to kite. to the other end you can kite as far as the discovery center. as there is aprotected bird zone after that. As you can see there is plenty of room for everyone but there are still public areas and these have to be safeguarded and seen to be by ourselves. Dont take the changes too much to heart, I'm sure we will all manage this and rise above it. Regds. Ron. Quote
ShapeShifter Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 Hi mate, Simple reason for the council not doing anything is that we have accepted responsibility for maintaing order on the beach wrt. kitesurfers. (Ainsdale Club Collective) This is not the councils remit - it is ours as club members. (correct me if wrong Aworm). If we fail - thats when the council will step in. As long as we are sensible and mature about things, and are seen to be making every effort - we should hopefuly succeed in showing the powers that be that we can be Autonomous. Hope that helps a bit mate. Ron. HI Sounds good, But have to ask if people were kitesurfing North of teh cut off point, why is not something being done about it (by teh council) rather than teh old problem of all being banned? IMHO those who are demonstrating they are tossers shold be banned, just like those who show they are responcible and kite safely should be allowed to do so unhindered? By that I mean with out the need for a club only approach Because if with a club people are still being t0ssers then, the club side of things is not a solution (in that case)? Ref permits I take it there must be wardens of some sort? So how about all you need to do is show proof of insurance and get a ticket (50p for admin as all they are doing is looking at your card?). I agree that it could be then harder for them to spot those out kiting who have not got a permit (which rashies would help, but they cost more and not garrentted to have one in my size and you woudl have to get back in time to get your deposit?). BUT rangers could do spot checks when on patrol (so woudl not take up much if any of their time) plus, lets be honest, IMHO it is only teh ones who were being t0ssers that woudl need to be delt with, so if you were flying safeluy is there a need to come and check any way? (odds on those flying safely woudl have insurnace?). One quick question, now there are 3 clubs up their (one water and two land) and as the council still accept PKSF insurance, do you have to join both clubs (1 water and 1 land) if you wish to kitesurf and landboard/buggy? Best of luck, Jon Quote
needakite mike Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 rouge trooper dunno about you but i dont sit at home masterbating u might cuz u cant get anyne but i go out and have a life. i prefer to go out not play with teenagers.............at little games Quote
ShapeShifter Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 Mister trooper - do you often spend time taking the mikey out of 15 year olds ? Leave the chap be eh .... Ciao girls. Then perhaps you shouldn't comment on it. Besides, you have to have something to do on a rainy day other than sitting in your bedroom and masturbating eh Personally, I prefer to run around in the jungle with 16 other people shooting the crap out of each other. Quote
flyboy1599968605 Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 i'm mikes mate another James,it's not reli running round a jungle wen ure sittin in some chair tapping a plastic pad.but if u find that fun go for it.leavin ure house sometime is a good idea. Quote
roguetrooper Posted June 9, 2005 Report Posted June 9, 2005 leavin ure house sometime is a good idea. Oh... Ok...I'll try that. Can you tell me if these class as going outside though.. http://www.rogu3trooper.net/photo/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=12 (Iceland in January) http://www.rogu3trooper.net/photo/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=4 (Summit of Ben Nevis) http://www.rogu3trooper.net/photo/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=25 (Helping to pick onions in India) http://www.rogu3trooper.net/photo/displayimage.php?album=9&pos=15 (Mount Everest) Shape Shifter: There was no malice / micky taking intended in my remark. On most of forums I loiter on, this is pretty standard, harmless teenager / oldie banter and was intended as such...Maybe its a computer / geek thing though?? Anyway, my apologies if the young chap was offended in any way. Quote
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