JamesK31 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 mick, Works both ways, why don't you look behind you as well as in front, why should it be down to me to avoid you because you don't look what's coming or not.... If i decided to put on my big tyre and sit right in you're way on the water and ruin you're run or session you would'nt be happy would you so why should i have to shove the brakes on to avoid a kite surfer who can't be assed to look both ways and in most cases just walk out anyway.. as i said works both ways... Quote
eLuSiVeMiTe Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Here we go. We're all kiters engaged in an extreme sport. Insurance should be mandatory. Same for sky divers windsurfers surfers paraglide rs ect ect ect. You may well be in the water but if u ever have to pop a safety where's the kite going. Or do you only kite in an offshore. If ya can justify £600-£1000 on a kite stop being such a cheapskate and pay for ya insurance. Quote
Andy-j Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Posted February 10, 2013 mick, Works both ways, why don't you look behind you as well as in front, why should it be down to me to avoid you because you don't look what's coming or not.... If i decided to put on my big tyre and sit right in you're way on the water and ruin you're run or session you would'nt be happy would you so why should i have to shove the brakes on to avoid a kite surfer who can't be assed to look both ways and in most cases just walk out anyway.. as i said works both ways... Your not you're.... Its the first rule, you have a responsibility to avoid accidents at all cost. All your statement above is showing is that you're selfish. Quote
JamesK31 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 First of all, it's your not you're. (sorry but thats a pet hate) I wasn't dissing landboarders or buggiers in any way shape or form but everyone knows that kite accidents almost always happen on land and due to the nature of your discipline it puts you at higher risk.. I spend about 1-2% of my time with a kite in the air on land, the rest of the time i'm on the water. I bet if you were to look at the statistics its people like you (land kiters) who drive the need for and cost of insurance up in the first place. It's people like me who spend my days avoiding folk like you while walking from the water back to base.. If you want to get technical i know of two kitesurfer's that have died in the last 6 months in the UK smashing into stuff nothing to do with land based kiters. no buggiers have died. Quote
Andy-j Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Posted February 10, 2013 It's people like me who spend my days avoiding folk like you while walking from the water back to base.. If you want to get technical i know of two kitesurfer's that have died in the last 6 months in the UK smashing into stuff nothing to do with land based kiters. no buggiers have died. Those aren't 3rd party claims tho are they....?? Quote
JamesK31 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Your not you're.... Its the first rule, you have a responsibility to avoid accidents at all cost. All your statement above is showing is that you're selfish. haha yes deliberate as it seems to bug you so much Yes i do avoid at all cost, but open your eyes why be so selfish in the mindset that you can do what you please with your eyes shut and expect everyone else to avoid you... haha point proven on views on kite surfers attitude to everyone else on the beach! Quote
JamesK31 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Those aren't 3rd party claims tho are they....?? Exactly but insert the "what if" a child, old person, and human was in the path of a kite surfer out of control be it his fault or not, wouldn't you want that piece of mind that should something happen you have things "insurance" in place to help yourself and possible victims? Quote
slide Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 finish this thread now and get yaself a donkey burger- basiclly not everybody is insured (i won't do the maths ) Quote
yorkshireboy Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 So has anyone actually had a 3rd party claim against them due to a kitesurf related incident and successfully had it covered via insurance? Just curious to know.. Quote
eLuSiVeMiTe Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Why finish it. Entertaining reading why people don't bother spending a small amount of money I cover there own arses. Anyone got some better excuses? Quote
slide Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 at least no horses were harmed in the making of this thread - poor burgers Quote
eLuSiVeMiTe Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 my dog ate it ....... Hahaha. Best one so far. Quote
mick Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 mick, Works both ways, why don't you look behind you as well as in front, why should it be down to me to avoid you because you don't look what's coming or not.... If i decided to put on my big tyre and sit right in you're way on the water and ruin you're run or session you would'nt be happy would you so why should i have to shove the brakes on to avoid a kite surfer who can't be assed to look both ways and in most cases just walk out anyway.. as i said works both ways... Am I missing something here. I buggy, landboard and kitesurf. I think I know the risks, the rights and the wrongs. A kitesurfer does not want to be on the beach with a flying kite. It is in their interests to be on the water as quickly as possible and then off the water and landed asap. As buggyers, we want to be on the beach. We are at home or comfortable on a beach. A KITESURFER IS NOT !!! Its the most dangerous place for them to be. What I'd suggest is keep looking straight ahead and avoid them like I do and they'll keep looking ahead and spotting their landing place. We all get to live in harmony and try to avoid the land boarders. Quote
lonerider Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Why can't they be launched and landed at the waters edge and carried across the beach ? Not so dangerous then ? Quote
mick Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Well, if it may be easier to watch them being launched and landed and then you'de realise the reason. Quote
lonerider Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) :DJust dive it straight into the water ! Landed:D Tbh I stop or move when the kitesufers need to cross I got insurance and I'm always looking around for people and other kiters Edited February 10, 2013 by lonerider Quote
mick Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Tbh I stop or move when the kitesufers need to cross I got insurance and I'm always looking around for people and other kiters A very sensible answer. If only all kiters adopted this approach. Thank God, for old people. Quote
cliff1599968814 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 So has anyone actually had a 3rd party claim against them due to a kitesurf related incident and successfully had it covered via insurance? Just curious to know.. http://forum.kitecrowd.com/showthread.php?p=2391540 Quote
Andy-j Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Posted February 10, 2013 haha point proven on views on kite surfers attitude to everyone else on the beach! i don't think its about views or attitudes of kitesurfers its about respect and courtesy to others, I always (where possible) let people pass by before coming to shore or launch/land my kite regardless if they were flying a kite or not. Maybe the guys on your beach are either noobs that dont know what they're doing or just c0cks in general!? Quote
JamesK31 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 Oh yes, we have the regulars who are a good bunch we all know eachother and get along fine... then we have the visitors who are generally total noobs and a danger to themselves and everyone arround them, I get sick and tired or stopping my session to land my kite and offer advice to kite surfers who turn up with 12m kites and everyone on the water is on 7's they tell us to do one so we sit back and enjoy watching them get dragged down the beach losing skin and normally trashing there kites on the very sharpe sea defences Quote
mick Posted February 10, 2013 Report Posted February 10, 2013 I was heading along the beach at the edge of the sand and had already clocked this guy coming across the beach on his board. It didn't take much working out that I would have passed him way before he got to the edge of the sand on the line I was travelling, I wouldn't even need to raise my kite. All well and good and a very normal situation until a kitesurfer holding his kite was coming from the water decided to walk across in front of me. That I can deal with it happens all the time, the difference this time is that his buddy was holding his bar and had the lines stretched out across the beach at my neck height! I scrubbed off speed but still got tangled up in the lines which also bought my kite down. This loss of speed now put me in direct collision course with the landboarder, he tried to jump and I tried to put the buggy in an opposite slide but unfortunately we both came into contact. Well done you for having insurance and preparing for these accidents. Its like I said earlier, we are travelling down the beach in a straightish line, naturally looking ahead. Landboarders do not, they naturally look sideways and have to turn their heads to look forward or in the direction they're travelling, much like a kitesurfer. As a buggyer we have no excuse for not looking and seeing ahead. The accident occured in my eyes because you ASSUMED you would not contact the landboard and obviously so. Its what we do. The kitesurfer DECIDED to walk across you? You mean he was walking out from the sea? He sort of leapt into your path holding a kite? No !! He was walking from the sea and you went behind him, not realising the lines were being carried by his buddy. Or you went across the front of him catching the lines carried by his buddy. Either way, and rightly so, you paid up. As buggyers, we have a duty not to assume dogs, children and kiters will keep clear of us. I for one would give a kitesurfer a real wide berth.I think in the future, you will as well. Quote
JamesK31 Posted February 11, 2013 Report Posted February 11, 2013 Mick you are so narrow minded its unreal. I think you have my vote for c0ck of the year 2013. Makes me laugh that you need a buddy to hold your lines lmfao! Oh mick btw me and cliff both fly LEI in our buggies land and launch on our own with creating a cheese wire trip rope accross the beach.. I'm sorry for being a buggy pilot, I shall in future just stop buggying so mick can feel right in his opinion that kite surfers don't need to check arround them, thy can ASSUME buggiers will spend there day pussy footing round them lmfao! I hope to be on a beach with you one day mick, we will see arrogant blind man vs 150kg of buggy wins or end up in a heap in a broken mess and which point ill laugh and go oops you ASSUMED I'd seen you and avoided you! Oh wait no you wouldn't be checking now would as you only look one way Lmfao Quote
carltb Posted February 11, 2013 Report Posted February 11, 2013 no need for the EX you will always be cock of the year 2012!! Quote
Old_Guy1599968868 Posted February 11, 2013 Report Posted February 11, 2013 I read Cliff's post and it sounds like the surfer and his buddy had lines treat he'd out between them, this does seem a poor decision on their part, why would the do it? There is no need its an accident waiting to happen. Stretch four kit lines across a footpath and see what the police think Quote
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