Sysmic update

[Slartibartfast]

If you buy one there will be

Well that's what I'm thinking

I'm still trying to decide between the S1 and S2. My plan has been to come to Brisbane for a weekend to check them both out but if it were possible to check 'em out at SpeedWeek rather than book a trip to Brisvegas I'd much rather book the trip to Speed Week (: (: (:. And if there's a spare bug of my preference there then I'll and no-doubt bring it back with me

Speaking of which, is there anyone around Sandy Point who's handy with a welder

[mik333]

Hi Jason

Confirming that I still want 3 4 inch sysmic wheels

Thanks

Michael Harris

[Oooo]

two 4" rims for me thanks still mate !!!!

[Slartibartfast]

Hey Jas,

Could I just get a clarification on the dimensions?

In the "Quick Overview" for the S1 and S2 your webpage says:

Buggy Sysmic S1 1.65m x 2.4m

Buggy Sysmic S2 1.4m x 1.9m

Where as further down on the S1 page it says:

Body Design features

- Length min/max (axis wheels): 1775mm/1925mm

- Width (bearing surface wheels): 1600mm

And on the S2 page it says:

Body Design features

- Length min/max (axis wheels): 1350mm/1450mm

- Width (bearing surface wheels): 1375mm

And finally the Buggy Kite Shop list the S1's dimensions as:

- Width (bearing surface wheels): 1500mm

I don't mean to be pedantic it's just the these dimensions appear to be all that my decision is coming down to now.

Thanks

Edit: Buy the way it's the length that I'm confused about.

2.4m as apposed to 1775mm/1925mm for the S1 and,

1.9m as apposed to 1350mm/1450mm for the S2.

The width's are similar enough to not be of concern (other than the strange listing of the 1500mm for the S1 on the Buggy Kite Shop website but I'm guessing you wouldn't know much about that) but it you could clarify the "Wall to Wall" dimension (as in outside face of the tyre to outside face) that would be awesome!

[Jimmy22]

if you want to frestyle get the smaller one but if you want to crank and blast the beach get the longer one , Joel seems to like his a lot and did a bit of thinking about it , what one did he get ?

[jhn.holgate]

if you want to frestyle get the smaller one

What?? Freestyle with an S2 ?? Holy smokes that would take some lifting.......

[Jimmy22]

more like spins and 2 wheels etc hehe .

[Slartibartfast]

Hey Jas,

I hate to keep asking the same question over and over like a broken record but I really would lite to know if these buggies can be expected at Speed Week. I know you've already given the somewhat cryptic response of "If you buy one there will be" and given I most definitely intend to buy one this kind of implies that they will be but it all seems a bit tenuous.

Also speed week's only a few weeks away now and I'll need to sought out time off work, orginise vehicles, workout things with the family etc. so if you could let me know soon it would be great. If you're not sure that's fine too but if you could let me know what the deal is I'd greatly appreciate it, it's the waiting in limbo while the deadline approaches that's killing me

Also if you could give a confirmation of the dimensions as well that too would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

P.S. Sorry to be constantly harassing you about things but they are fairly simple questions and it's stuff I do really need to know. I hope I'm not exasperating you.

[Goz]

If you need a quick reply Slarti your best of ringing or emailing Jason directly as it might be a few days before he sees your post.

[Slartibartfast]

Yeah.

I've actually email twice but my messages seem to be getting bounced. I've also sent a private message on XK but I'll call him Monday as well.

I actually thought it would be easier for him to answer by email as he'd be able to look things up before getting back but yeah, I'm thinking the time has come to call again...

[BGKD]

You may also have to accept that Jason simply doesn't have the answers.

Waiting for containers is very much a case of just waiting, shipping doesn't run to a timetable, route, ports of call etc change daily, and even if a ship does arrive at a port on time, it could be stuck in an offshore mooring until the port has a space, then there is customs who also appear to be a law unto themselves, and then the road shipping can also be unpredictable.

[Slartibartfast]

You may also have to accept that Jason simply doesn't have the answers.

Sure, but if that were the case I'd prefer to know rather than be aimlessly standing by.

You know, good communication can still be upheld even when all the answers aren't known.

I'd also like clarification of the dimensions of the buggy which surely can't be that much of a difficult question. Even so if for some reason the dimensions cant be given I'd prefer to be told as much. After all we are talking about several thousand dollars worth of stuff here.

[BGKD]

Sure, but if that were the case I'd prefer to know rather than be aimlessly standing by.

You know, good communication can still be upheld even when all the answers aren't known.

I'd also like clarification of the dimensions of the buggy which surely can't be that much of a difficult question. Even so if for some reason the dimensions cant be given I'd prefer to be told as much. After all we are talking about several thousand dollars worth of stuff here.

So, you want precise dimensions of buggy's that are still on a boat? ie not in the country......

If the dimensions are really that critical then you are probably better off waiting until you can measure one yourself, you cant expect Jason to give you precise measurements of buggy's he doesn't have.

Anyway, I don't see the problem, the dimensions you are querying look perfectly clear, one set is the bearing distances and the other are the overall width, if you look up tyre dimensions you can fill in the gaps yourself.

[Slartibartfast]

It's more the length than the width I'm confused over. I agree a discrepancy of 2.5cm could easily be accounted for with tyre bulge.

I did add an edit to the post to clarify as much:

Edit: Buy the way it's the length that I'm confused about.

2.4m as apposed to 1775mm/1925mm for the S1 and,

1.9m as apposed to 1350mm/1450mm for the S2.

The width's are similar enough to not be of concern (other than the strange listing of the 1500mm for the S1 on the Buggy Kite Shop website but I'm guessing you wouldn't know much about that) but it you could clarify the "Wall to Wall" dimension (as in outside face of the tyre to outside face) that would be awesome!

I don't think it's a silly question. Jas may have older buggies at his disposal, or he may simply know the reason for the discrepancy. Even if he doesn't know he could simply say he doesn't know and that he'd have to wait till they arrive off the boat to give a definite answer. Either way it still seems a reasonable question to ask given he has the numbers listed on the web page - after all I am just asking for clarification as to what they mean.

It might be that I am just missing something obvious (and if I am please do take pity on my poor incompetent mind and explain it to me) but I don't understand why there is a range on the "axis wheels" dimensions and why these numbers are so much less than the length stated at the top of the page.

After a little more head scratching I see the Beach Racers are 550mm in diameter and that 1925mm is indeed near on 550mm shy of 2.4m, and 1450mm is almost a Midi shy of 1.9. Given this it would be possible the 1925mm and 1450mm are the "Bearing center to bearing center" dimensions and that 2.4m and 1.9m could be the "Maximum bounds" with the largest tyres but what could the smaller numbers (1775mm and 1350mm) be about?

Edit: I will also point out I have been trying damn hard to try and work out how I can "measure one myself" so to speak.

[BGKD]

Its very clear

looking at the S1

Length 1350-1450

This is the minimum and maximum distance between the front and rear axles (its says axle wheels)... NOTE this figure comes from the BODY DESIGN FEATURES meaning its independent from tyres, and if you read the section it also states that the adjustment is 100mm To get actual length just add tyre diameter

Width 1375

Now this is most probably the axle length, it says bearing surface dimension and again its in the body design section so completely independent from tyres....however, there is some room for confusion here

1) if its axle length then its not actually bearing surface dimension, to get this you need to add the thickness of two M20 nuts (about 50mm).... which may explain where your 50mm discrepancy in width figures comes from.

2) to get actual buggy width you need to add -- Tyre width + hub thickness, so if your tyres are 275 mm thick and your hubs are 200mm then add 475 giving you 1850, plus 50mm for nuts makes 1900

These figures are all on the Briskites website (with exception to the nuts info), and it doesn't take a lot of head scratching to understand them, if you really need better figures than this then you really should go and take the measurements yourself, or ask yourself if they are really all that important

Now as for actually measuring one, well I know Jason certainly doesn't have an S1 lying round, and I'm guessing that his own S2 is not at the shop, plus the S2 he does have is the older model, so wont be of any use when someone keeps asking detailed questions.

[Slartibartfast]

Arrr, fair enough.

I guess there's variability in how far out one has there Swan Neck. It all makes sense now.

You must agree though that the difference between 1775mm and 2.4m if fairly large, but now that you've explained it to me (though be it with a somewhat chastising tone) it all makes sense.

Thanks.

[andy666]

Arrr, fair enough.

I guess there's variability in how far out one has there Swan Neck. It all makes sense now.

You must agree though that the difference between 1775mm and 2.4m if fairly large, but now that you've explained it to me (though be it with a somewhat chastising tone) it all makes sense.

Thanks.

So, are you going to order one now or not?

[Jimmy22]

hehehe shipping does not run to a time table . at 20 grand a day to run the ship it does. you are confused with buses and trains

trucks and ports dont run to a time table and suppliers dont run to a time table that is for sure, i am more thinking about the overseas suppliers of course. I have seen 3 orders from sysmic come in that i know Exactly when they were ordered and arrived and it takes time to get much out of them , about double my expectation but eventually it all turns up .

[Slartibartfast]

So, are you going to order one now or not?

Oh, I'm definitely going to get one it's just a matter of which...

I'm still a little concerned about your 1.6m axle giving a 1.9m wheelbase comment in the "S1 v S2" thread but it seems the the dimentions given for these bugs is pretty much "wall to wall" so yeah, the S1 is looking very probable.

I was going to hook up my current 'Zebra' trailer with the wide axle (which I measured to be a surprising 1650mm 'wall to wall') and tow it about for a day this weekend to see how it faired but well, arr, I just can't find my keys . I'm fairly confident the dimensions listed on the website will be acceptable though. It's just a matter of waiting for the buggers to arrive now...

[BGKD]

hehehe shipping does not run to a time table . at 20 grand a day to run the ship it does. you are confused with buses and

The difference between a ship and a train is that the train does try and run on a fixed time table set a year in advance, and when it leaves station A you can be pretty sure that it will visit stations B, C and D in order before getting to E, whilst a ship will be rerouted whilst en route because the shippers make new contracts and find that if they visit C before B and skip D entirely they can make an extra $20 million!

[Oooo]

Details for pre-orders etc are on our news page.

Remember the only way to guarantee getting what you want is to pre-order.

Jas

[Slartibartfast]

FFS!

Yes, I am getting one.

[Oooo]

FFS!

Yes, I am getting one.

Thankyou an about BLOODY TIME !!!! (gotchar ) snotbubbles !!!!!!!

[Slartibartfast]

(gotchar )

Damn you Wolfie!!!

To be honest I nearly posted a fish, looks like I should have.

If only "almost" posting a fish were as cool as actually posting one ):

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[mik333]

Quick! Get a deposit!