Spudley Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Posted December 13, 2007 Out of interest where is the Bakers Arms? "top of town" (basingstoke)
Noo Noo Posted December 14, 2007 Report Posted December 14, 2007 Looks like i may be able to come to the pub at last. As an enlightened pumper, but not too sure which side of the table to sit as i also: buggy with foils:o (only occasionally though) Spudley you are excused on the basis that pumping is your first love. The odd excursion onto the other side is acceptable I suppose - "you can call me Sheila, but only on Saturdays" Saying that you do have a pink kite Pumping the pink beasty DM definately swings the other way, while Marko appears undecided, obviously at a dangerous phase in his development and it could go either way. Watch out for trips abroad, if he starts talking funny, appears swollen or scratches a lot I fear we may have lost him. fear not compadres and those that feel that honest pumping is a threatened past time. (By those that think RAM AIR means it's hard) I have started a new range in inflatable accessories. In this season of celebration I have produced and presented the first inflatable Christmas card. A true work of art. A proper card at last - all properly glued and sealed. two valves (one pump isn't available yet). Preliminary testing proved performance was good. The profile needs to change a little as the stiffened profile will not allow the card to sit nicely on the mantle, but safety is excellent. This baby will not sink, and relaunch is guaranteed even when wet. That's right even when wet it keeps its shape and will quite happily stay put. None of this flopping on the floor in a wrinkly mess. This is still a work in progress but a huge leap forward in card design. the era of one card for all conditions is coming. I need to work on attachment points for hanging next. 2, 3, 4 or 5 I wonder. I couldn't find an envelope that would fit the card though.
DjMoz Posted December 14, 2007 Report Posted December 14, 2007 Spudley - You had to encourage Nn last night didnt you, we are just going to keep getting these long posts now, and the point of them?? As for inflateable cards, mine is now pumped up and sitting in a festive bucket of water - consider this some product reliability testing NN. I do fear that the card part may not last as long as the inflateable element, a slight issue in your design but with a increased chances of flooding in this country I can see the market growing. Now arc or ram air based products..... DM
Noo Noo Posted December 14, 2007 Report Posted December 14, 2007 Ah ha see what I mean DM. The outer skin maye deteriorate BUT it stays afloat. Now if it was a traditional card or heaven forbid a RAM Air / Arc card it would have sunk by now and become totally unusable. Secondly the perfomance of the inflatable card is obviously much higher having a larger projected area than the equivalent ARC card, higher aspect ratio, greater range and of course quicker response. Thirdly you obviously enjoyed your early morning pump. Nothing better to get you going. I would admit though an arc style card may have better updraft absorption from the fire under mantle. Hmm had a look at vans just now. A few about. Give me a couple of months in the new year perhaps.........
snap1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Posted December 14, 2007 I now have the spyder, came before lunch. All looks good, well packaged just needs some one to ensure thats its fly worthy and setup well maybe a qucik test even...... Pump at the ready!
mark o Posted December 14, 2007 Report Posted December 14, 2007 Better not be any flying spiders around here, if I see one the sea will change colour.
mark o Posted December 15, 2007 Report Posted December 15, 2007 Weekend plans? Anyone want to accompany me tomorrow and join in the fun off poole seafront? Big kiteweather but should be fun
mark o Posted December 15, 2007 Report Posted December 15, 2007 one option other than the sea front is studland which you get to from the sandbands ferry. apparently you need a permit which costs £5 for a year, should have flatter water too.
mark o Posted December 16, 2007 Report Posted December 16, 2007 Paul, try http://www.airbossworld.co.uk for a new chicken loop. They sell Gaastra's and should be able to find out what is needed and cost to fix your bar.
snap1 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Posted December 16, 2007 Nice 1 cheers Mark! Just a bitta research into the valves for me now.... P
Noo Noo Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 What happened then? Something doesn't sound right.
mark o Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 One of us got freezing cold, one of us regressed into a newbie
DjMoz Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 NN - Pauls kite, tested it Sunday. Safety issue in that there is no chicken loop release! Slightly worrying and not very good. Second iss ue is that the valves are not working well. Could not inflate the two end struts at all and a few others were fiddly requiring some quick movements. On the fly it feels fine, fairly stable as long as some rear line pressue is on, reasonably powerful and seems very suitable. Just the two issues are an annoyance. As for Markos antics on Sunday...well he explained in his post. No more needs be said from me, apart from I know my limits and Sunday was damn cold. DM
Noo Noo Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 Hmmm not good. So the valves dont have stopper balls I assume. Correct?? Chicken loop not clever. something definately not right. I thought it would look like the photos in this thread http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2330797
snap1 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 The chicken loop should have been like to one in the post but this one has been removed and re stitched? Emailed the guy and he said " Hi Paul, I made a little research in the Net, and I found a gaastra bar, like yours.: http://cgi.ebay.de/Gaastra-Max-Kitebar-50-cm-2007-Gebraucht_W0QQitemZ110205253268QQihZ001QQcategoryZ115811QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting And you have wright... There are missing the quick release of your bar! Sorry! But I send you the bar as I bought it, and if you never talked about that thing, I never discover that! Once more... Sorry, but I used the bar like you have it now so many sessions and never saw that! Never needed to pull the quick release dought! If you do a search in the foruns (UK, Spanish, Portuguese) I never tricked nobody, and I have so many sales on used and also in NEW condition kite gear... I only have positive feedback. Once more, sorry! I think you can buy a used CL from gaastra or other brand at a low cost at your local spot. There are so many bargains in the foruns. " As for the valves I kinda though there may have been a funny with them, guy quoted " Hi Paul. Don´t stress... 1st, about the struts! There are no problem with the struts. I will explain you how they work... Inside the valves there are a round mambrane that will keep the air go inside, and with the inner pressure that mambrane will be pushed up and stop the air to coming up. This sistem is used in many brands (ex. Ozone). To deflate the strut you need insert a plastic stick what is stiched in the strut. But some times, with the hurry to Pack the kite, is usual the riders, included me, leave that plastic stick inside of the valve. With the cold weather, is natural that the inside mambrane needs more time to start to prevent the air to coming out. Last summer I bought a used ozone instinct 9m2, and it cames with the plastic sticks inside the valves, for 2 weeks. It was a hard ass to inflate the kite, because it happened the same thing that you described. The only thing I have done, was inflate the struts to +/- 6psi, and quickly remove the pump, ant put my finger in the top of the valve for about one minute in each strut (9 struts). This one minute was the time needed to the mambrane get into it´s original Place, and do it´s work. The smaller struts, gave me a bit more work. It was my fault, because in the Day that I take pics to you of the kite, and I saw those plastic sticks inside the valves, and I only removed, and don´t inflate the kite. I thought that you know how those sistems work.... Sorry! " NooNoo as your a keen pumper does this sound right to you? P
Noo Noo Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 yes Snap as an avid pumper and soon to release my pumping fitness video (after Christmas when I can take advantage of the shortlived fitness push) what the man says sounds right. Same thing on my Caution. I fact I've had exactly the same happen on it. Its true the membrane will reset itself with some encouragement. Therefore valves shouldn't be an issue. As always correct pumping technique will give greater rewards.
mark o Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 " Hi Paul, I made a little research in the Net, and I found a gaastra bar, like yours.: http://cgi.ebay.de/Gaastra-Max-Kitebar-50-cm-2007-Gebraucht_W0QQitemZ110205253268QQihZ001QQcategoryZ 115811QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayph otohosting And you have wright... There are missing the quick release of your bar! Sorry! But I send you the bar as I bought it, and if you never talked about that thing, I never discover that! Once more... Sorry, but I used the bar like you have it now so many sessions and never saw that! Never needed to pull the quick release dought! If you do a search in the foruns (UK, Spanish, Portuguese) I never tricked nobody, and I have so many sales on used and also in NEW condition kite gear... I only have positive feedback. Once more, sorry! I think you can buy a used CL from gaastra or other brand at a low cost at your local spot. There are so many bargains in the foruns. " As much use as a chocolate fireguard... but what he said about the valves is right, as I mentioned my instinct suffered a dodgy valve when i left in the release stick. Fixed itself by pumping the bladder up and sealing the valve asap, then leaving it for a while blown up.
DjMoz Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 Marko - how was the presentation, deal done?
mark o Posted December 17, 2007 Report Posted December 17, 2007 Presentation went well, 1/2 day worth of it with an agreement on how to take the deal forward. More than I expected... best yet I did not turn into a complete gibbering idiot... only a partial one
snap1 Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 Would there be any reason why I can't use my frenzy bar with the Gaastra untill I get the chicken loop sorted? I am trying to look for a direct replacement or another make that can fit on to the current trim system. Any recommendations welcome . Gonna try get the valves sorted tonight hopefully.
Noo Noo Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 Nope but you'll probably restrict the kites range. Check the safety systems operate on a similar basis. I'll give some thought to your chicken loop dilema. Is you current set up completely fixed i.e. chicken loop and depower line stitched / joined together? Give me a call to discuss anytime this evening if you want.
DjMoz Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 Snap - There is a small possibility that you can just replace the Cloop but you need to look underneath the Neoprene cover. Also Another new kite has finally arrived - Michelle's. As she is away for a couple of weeks, it is soon to be delivered to me for initial safety checks!
Noo Noo Posted December 18, 2007 Report Posted December 18, 2007 Hang on hang on. Questions: 1. How long was your "Safety check" on Paul's new beasty? really now not what you thought it was. 2. Did you crash it? I bet you did................... M's away over Christmas? Work or play? The latter I hope.
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