Class 8 National Race series and Team selection

[buggybreaker]

Well perhaps the meeting took place, then circumstances changed and they met or discussed the matter further. Perhaps your non attendance meant you would not therefore be a good representative for WSYC in the future, so have moved on. It seems to me you would have been best advised to have attended , and therefore fullfilled your role and duty as rep for your club, then you would be privy to these discussions, and your concerns could have been aired at the time. Is it not much better to involved in the process and therefore help shape it?

 

It does appear you are quick to criticise but do very little to actually take part when it matters. It was the same within the PKA all those years back, what a different place we may have been in now if you had attended and voiced your valued opinions at pivotal meetings in the past , and again now.

 

My involvement I believe is purely to add some form of balance, as you do try and make out all this is done with no heed of yourself, as the appointed rep of WSYC. It seems like you actually choose and prefer to criticise from the sidelines than actually get involved and help shape the future of the racing series, which I think of course is your right but is not the most helpful or politically astute method to take in this process.

Your questions are valid, but mis timed and misplaced I feel in these circumstances.

The doors to which you refer that the C8 meets behind were open to you and your club were they not?

And if your club still thinks you can represent their interests on the C8 committee , which with non attendance I doubt, then you should contact the committee and continue in the process.

 

Best regards

 

Russ

[Mouthwash]

Look there's a simple solution to all this.

 

I'll do it.

 

Simple, no arguments about who's best/last/in/out/shake it all about. Just a lardy bald bloke flying the flag and giving it Johnny Foreigner on behalf of everyone!!

 

I love it when a plan comes together!!

 

['life's too short' injection over]

[coupe-se]

Well perhaps the meeting took place, then circumstances changed and they met or discussed the matter further. Perhaps your non attendance meant you would not therefore be a good representative for WSYC in the future, so have moved on. It seems to me you would have been best advised to have attended , and therefore fullfilled your role and duty as rep for your club, then you would be privy to these discussions, and your concerns could have been aired at the time. Is it not much better to involved in the process and therefore help shape it?

 

It does appear you are quick to criticise but do very little to actually take part when it matters. It was the same within the PKA all those years back, what a different place we may have been in now if you had attended and voiced your valued opinions at pivotal meetings in the past , and again now.

 

My involvement I believe is purely to add some form of balance, as you do try and make out all this is done with no heed of yourself, as the appointed rep of WSYC. It seems like you actually choose and prefer to criticise from the sidelines than actually get involved and help shape the future of the racing series, which I think of course is your right but is not the most helpful or politically astute method to take in this process.

Your questions are valid, but mis timed and misplaced I feel in these circumstances.

The doors to which you refer that the C8 meets behind were open to you and your club were they not?

And if your club still thinks you can represent their interests on the C8 committee , which with non attendance I doubt, then you should contact the committee and continue in the process.

 

Best regards

 

Russ

 

Take a bow Sir, we applaud you!!!

 

Good to see a constructive, common sense statement. Sounds like you should be on the commitee!!!

[buggybreaker]

Russ, to clarify...Whilst I was aware of a meeting taking place, I was not informed of the when and where and I still have not received an email detailing this. I can only put it down to either being "missed off" that particular mailing or a mail server issue.

 

Ths first I was aware of the meeting taking place on the sunday, was when Andy asked me on the saturday if I was going (after I'd just returned from the Czech Republic).

 

Please don't confuse apathy with lack of information...

 

Anyway, you short arse git, when you coming out to play again? :D

 

Thats is unfortunate Simon, and hopefully should not take place again, I trust you will attend in future if invited, as it is imperative from where I sit to involve WSYC in the national series.

 

When will I play again? Who knows, I'll expect I'll just kitesurf for a a few years yet, no pressures, no hassles, and maybe when I'm a fat short arsed git I might come back and kick your arse;) :D in a buggying sense of course!!

Still I do miss the crack despite all the bitching!

 

Take care

 

Love you

 

Russ

[Gray Cloud]

Simon I have the email and will forward it to you. I can clearly see your name in the contacts list so why you never received it is a mystery?

Gray

[8015]

I was going to stay out of this because it doesn't really concern me as a club class pilot and since as far as FISLY are concerned I am with SPKA, but.....

 

The questions Andy has asked are completely valid in their own right. If any other racer that had nothing to do with the C8C had asked them I suspect the resulting discussion would have been different - and lets face it apart from 8 or 10 people on that committee, every other racer in the country looking at qualifying is still pretty much in the dark.

 

Why is there a ballot, blind or open? Qualification in the past has been by results and should be again. Work out a system that will rank all the applicants uniquely based on their results and do that.

 

4 different race series have been nominated for the selection criteria (one not even in the UK), after one of the series is complete and within 2 weeks of another starting which doesn't give people much time to arrange to compete if they were not already planning to. From my recollection some of the top ten, even some of the top 5 only contended the national series last year so there is a chance that's all they intended to do this year....

Either way I think this is too many events and too many results. I did suggest nominating events from each series to use the results for qualification in another thread but I think more thought needs to go into how it will be done, in particular if some of these series are fully subscribed or close to, then it's not fair to those who haven't signed up before because they weren't selection events.

Another point is past results - why? Surely it is this years performance that is important, you can only be at the top of the sport if you are currently participating!

 

I do think the C8C can make this work, but I think a little more thought is required, and a little more information needs to be given out, and it needs doing ASAP.

Define how the results of each series will be used, define how many events each applicant will need to attend to be in with a chance - how many races are to be counted, will there be discards, what is this weighting system that has been mentioned and so on.

 

There is another alternative that would be extremely unpopular and would leave Pete in France with no mates later this year, lets hope it doesn't come to that!

 

JIM

[Simon Bailey]

Gray, I can only conclude that it's a mail server issue....we have had some recently along with outages...

[Muglai]

I am appalled at the decision to find it necessary to abandon the National Series this year, whilst all other racing will continue???!!!

 

 

The National Series qualification process has been used year in and year out ,this is the pinnacle racing series in the country giving not only experienced pilots the opportunity to race against other European pilots but also new blood to aspire to this.

 

 

Who gave the authority to this" class 8 committee" to voice ,select and represent racing in this country?, I am in no way trying to "diss" this entourage but find it quite disturbing that they would appear to be self "anointed".

 

 

What on earth does a letter achieve in the due process of selection?

 

This is not a job interview gents!!

 

The selection process will have many connotations and will there be an appeal process? (Presuming this is a democracy of course?)

 

 

I was privy to a meeting that attempted to get a National Series together with success I might add, this was in January, within 2 weeks this was destroyed for reasons unknown??!!!

 

 

As the majority of people are aware I am involved in the running of the Wirral series and this is for purely selfish reasons, I enjoy racing. Also to try to put something back into the sport as I have raced on and off for many years.

 

I did not want to do this at the expense of the National Series.

 

 

The simple fact is C8RC you have let the sport down and have still not come out of your "boltholes" to resolve this and by Christ it can be resolved.

 

And have any of you thought what this is going to look like in Europe, what a farce and with 2007 looming who knows what the UK(England) can come up with.

 

 

Disappointed

 

Mark

 

K248

[Bar None]

Feck me a man with common sense!!

 

Well said that man:cool:

 

Don't worry the 'Bourneville Posse' or committee will see everyone alright;)

Come on Sandfly reveal yourself and let us know how you've managed to get to pick the team:confused:

 

BTW why isn't the W&W race series taken into consideration?

 

I am appalled at the decision to find it necessary to abandon the National Series this year, whilst all other racing will continue???!!!

 

 

 

The National Series qualification process has been used year in and year out ,this is the pinnacle racing series in the country giving not only experienced pilots the opportunity to race against other European pilots but also new blood to aspire to this.

 

 

 

Who gave the authority to this" class 8 committee" to voice ,select and represent racing in this country?, I am in no way trying to "diss" this entourage but find it quite disturbing that they would appear to be self "anointed".

 

 

 

What on earth does a letter achieve in the due process of selection?

 

This is not a job interview gents!!

 

The selection process will have many connotations and will there be an appeal process? (Presuming this is a democracy of course?)

 

 

 

I was privy to a meeting that attempted to get a National Series together with success I might add, this was in January, within 2 weeks this was destroyed for reasons unknown??!!!

 

 

 

As the majority of people are aware I am involved in the running of the Wirral series and this is for purely selfish reasons, I enjoy racing. Also to try to put something back into the sport as I have raced on and off for many years.

 

I did not want to do this at the expense of the National Series.

 

 

 

The simple fact is C8RC you have let the sport down and have still not come out of your "boltholes" to resolve this and by Christ it can be resolved.

 

And have any of you thought what this is going to look like in Europe, what a farce and with 2007 looming who knows what the UK(England) can come up with.

 

 

 

Disappointed

 

Mark

 

K248

[Tuffty]

Now I am not involved in anyway in this committee, and am not active in the racing scene at all, so as many people will vouch I am unbiased on this subject.

Andy will vouch that my location bares no relavance on my opinions either.

 

Now seeing as as there is no national series this year (for whatever reason)but, a team is to be sent, then what has been suggested makes perfect sense to me.

 

The top five from last year will go, well top six. This can ensure that our best and most qualified racers will attend France. Now if you qualified 7-10 last year you might be pretty miffed at this. But you qualified last year well done , but you have to admitt you are not the quality of the top six who have been doing well for many years now.

So what this does is covers say the the other up and coming racers and absent racers of a very high quality, who may or may not of made those remaining places last year, if they prove there worth , along with the people who came 7-10 last year then they have a chance also to qualify. This gives a realistic oppurtunnity to this years racers as well as last years, and lets face it the top five /six would be chosen anyway either way through racing selection or voting.

So lads get out there and prove your worth through results, because thats what will count.

 

 

Seems sensible to me,the best go to the euro's

If you are not happy you should have gone faster last year:D;)

[father ted]

well im not impressed at all.... infact i think its a c**p

 

we must look like a right shower of incompetant fools to the rest of erupoe....all this fighting, bickering and splitting the race scene up, i can do better than you etc ....has made the UK race scene a complete farse!

 

...and not to mention that a ballet system is a poor way to choose...i mean if i was on that commitee & my mate didnt make it in, im might just vote for my friend

....of course every is beyond that arnt they (i dint think so, just look at the bickering on here!)

 

very poor

[craig.w1599968638]

i must admit that im not that impressed with any of this at all

im sure a voting systems open to abuse as well ...but hey if thats the way its got to be then we will see in time!!

 

but the fact that British racing has come down to all this is not that good IMHO

how come the rest of europe can get there sh*t together and we cant, how come we have to go through all this nonsense!

 

I shall be doing the couple south wales SC's and thats it, & i know a good load of others who will be doing just a couple races and not fully taking part.

I mean theres 28 places still available for the SC in south wales?? ....so it does look like lots are not taking part, last years SC places were full well in advance

[RedWineRacer]

i mean if i was on that commitee & my mate didnt make it in, im might just vote for my friend

 

No! Do you really think the PKA is some sort of old mates club. Surely not.

[craig.w1599968638]

im kinda with him on that....maybe not an old mans club as you say but could be open to some kind of nonsense...i mean look at the way everyone bickering and slagging, im sure this is all going to go belly up.

 

fair play for trying to sort it out, im not able or willing to get involved (before anyone asks) and im being honest about that, so i will have to deal with what ever gets sorted but i dont like it myself, i know lots of others that dont like it this way...

it is of course up to us if we choose to partake in it, so if we dont like it we dont have to race, hence i guess the lack of number signed up to the SC compared to other years.

 

Im still going to go to a few but just for the fun of it all

[Muglai]

The powers to be are conspicuous by their absense.

Have the courage of your own convictions and tell us EXACTLY why you have allowed this farce to happen, you purport to be the voice of racing in the UK , then do something or remove yourselves from your positions that you have given yourselves and allow others to sort this mess out, for the reputation of Uk National racing.

[Kiteboyza]

how come the rest of europe can get there sh*t together and we cant, how come we have to go through all this nonsense!

 

They dont have Andy to deal with ..... lol

[Violator]

 

I shall be doing the couple south wales SC's and thats it, & i know a good load of others who will be doing just a couple races and not fully taking part.

I mean theres 28 places still available for the SC in south wales?? ....so it does look like lots are not taking part, last years SC places were full well in advance

 

i think you sould look again last year there were 28 places on saturday left and this year there is 32 for saturday and 1 week to go

[Mark Rose]

it is of course up to us if we choose to partake in it, so if we dont like it we dont have to race, hence i guess the lack of number signed up to the SC compared to other years.

Quite a few people are paying on the day Craig which meens the Supercup is fuller than it looks on the event page.

[flexibra]

Has anything changed?????

[GaRRy]

Has anything changed?????

 

 

Richard

 

Was announced yesterday at Super Cup that any pilot who thought he should be in team for this years euros should contact Mark Hoyland and let him know why.

 

I guess if less than ten apply it will be fine otherwise not sure how the final team will be selected.

[flexibra]

So

Has the Class 8 Commitee been disbanded?

Does The National Trainer know of the changes?

Rich

[GaRRy]

So

Has the Class 8 Commitee been disbanded?

Does The National Trainer know of the changes?

Rich

 

That annoucement came from the class 8 comittee

 

As for National Trainer knowing pass

[big-jon]

Rich, have a chat to either Gray or Mark and they will tell you everything

[flexibra]

That annoucement came from the class 8 comittee

 

As for National Trainer knowing pass

I didn't realise that the commitee were sitting this weekend and I know of 4 members that I think were not present.

Not really that bothered but without clarity is it MH or SM to write to???

[big-jon]

Rich you need to empty your PM box