Class 8 National Race series and Team selection

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Entries Must be in by 14th July 2006

 

Class 8 National Race series and Team selection

 

As a lot of people are now aware a new Class 8 Committee (C8C) has been founded.

The C8C Is Responsible for Class 8 Racing under British Federation.

Chaired by PKA and to meet annually or more. With representatives from each Federation Club where Class 8 is operated.

Although initially it had agreed on a National series there will now be no National Series this year.

The reasons for this were many but primarily the reasons were:

Loss of the Hoylake date in July leavening no alternative good dates

The logistics of running dates at Pembery at short notice.

The summer date we could have used at Ainsdale would not have given us enough beaches to run up to 50 pilots.

For these reason we decided to cancel this year’s series with a view to start a new series in the autumn of this year.

The reasons for starting in the autumn are:

The beach availability, most beaches in the UK find pressure on them during the summer so out of season dates are more amenable with councils land owners and clubs looking more favourably on releasing dates and making larger areas of beach available for use

We also have more consistent winds away from the summer months.

It provides us with a longer season with which to get enough races to have a satisfactory Championship that will be used for team selection for that years European or World Championships.

It is also worthy of note that this is the way most of the other European race series are run.

 

Team Selection

This leaves us with the question of Team selection for this year’s 2006 Euro’s in France.

Below is what has been decided by the C8C

 

The top 5 from last year will automatically qualify.

The current European Champion qualifies automatically giving the country he is from effectively an extra place. In this case this would be Pete Swann who is also one of the top 5.

This means that there will be a minimum of 6 other available places for selection.

If any of the other top 5 drop out their places will also be made available for selection.

 

The C8C will provide a panel of selectors to make the choice. Anyone on the C8C who is looking for a selection place will not be part of the selection committee

 

Anyone wishing to be part of the National Class 8 Team should apply in writing to the National Trainer stating why they should get a place.

Applications must be via post and received by the committee by the 14th of July just after the SC at Hoylake.

 

The main criteria for selection will be results.

Present form will be judged on results from the SC the WSYC enduro the Euro Cups and Icicles mini series. Weight to the results will be given depending on the quality of field.

Past results will also be taken into account, results from the National Series the BPC and SC and of course past international events.

 

Voting will be done by blind ballot.

 

 

Signed

Class 8 Committee

 

DO NOT USE

FAO Mr Stuart Maxwell (National Trainer)

National C8 Team Application

3 Eskdale Close

WESTON-SUPER-MARE

North Somerset

BS22 8QG

 

Please Note change of address for Class 8 National Race series and Team selection.

 

 

FAO Mark Hoyland

National C8 Team Application

34 Crofton Close

Purbrook

Waterlooville

Hants

PO7 5QA

 

Ensure that your return address is included

 

 

Signed

Class 8 Committee

[AndySmith]

A blind ballet

 

Sums it all up for me that one

[Sparhawk]

pssssst - Adrian, Ballot

[AndySmith]

And I take it thais has been agreed with the FED and FISLY?

[sandfly1599968672]

pssssst - Adrian, Ballot

Not me :-) But has so many more possibilities don't you think?

Right chaps, tutu's at the ready! :-)

[AndySmith]

Can you give more detail on the criteria for selection and how it will work.

 

Are you actually saying that you are giving pilots just over one weeks notice of a race that will be counted toward the qualifying criteria - and that races that have never been advised as qualifying criteria will be used to select the UK team. And that race formats Icicles/Supercup Enduro/WSYC enduro that are outside of championship formats will be used.

 

Who are the people that will be doing this voting? - and what processes have you put in place to remove personal prejudices.

[AndySmith]

Why should the top 5 auto Qualify and not the top ten - and only places remaining from dropping out / already retired not be open?

[Bar None]

Got to hand it to the PKA (or W&W) they've exceeded themselves on this one. 'Blind' being the operative word:confused: . Don't worry if your from W&W you'll be looked upon favourably for team selection:rolleyes:

 

Bring back Graham Steel:p

 

 

Class 8 National Race series and Team selection

 

As a lot of people are now aware a new Class 8 Committee (C8C) has been founded.

The C8C Is Responsible for Class 8 Racing under British Federation.

Chaired by PKA and to meet annually or more. With representatives from each Federation Club where Class 8 is operated.

Although initially it had agreed on a National series there will now be no National Series this year.

The reasons for this were many but primarily the reasons were:

Loss of the Hoylake date in July leavening no alternative good dates

The logistics of running dates at Pembery at short notice.

The summer date we could have used at Ainsdale would not have given us enough beaches to run up to 50 pilots.

For these reason we decided to cancel this year’s series with a view to start a new series in the autumn of this year.

The reasons for starting in the autumn are:

The beach availability, most beaches in the UK find pressure on them during the summer so out of season dates are more amenable with councils land owners and clubs looking more favourably on releasing dates and making larger areas of beach available for use

We also have more consistent winds away from the summer months.

It provides us with a longer season with which to get enough races to have a satisfactory Championship that will be used for team selection for that years European or World Championships.

It is also worthy of note that this is the way most of the other European race series are run.

 

Team Selection

This leaves us with the question of Team selection for this year’s 2006 Euro’s in France.

Below is what has been decided by the C8C

 

The top 5 from last year will automatically qualify.

The current European Champion qualifies automatically giving the country he is from effectively an extra place. In this case this would be Pete Swann who is also one of the top 5.

This means that there will be a minimum of 6 other available places for selection.

If any of the other top 5 drop out there places will also be made available for selection.

 

The C8C will provide a panel of selectors to make the choice. Anyone on the C8C who is looking for a selection place will not be part of the selection committee

 

Anyone wishing to be part of the National Class 8 Team should apply in writing to the National Trainer stating why they should get a place.

Applications must be via post and received by the committee by the 14th of July just after the SC at Hoylake.

 

The main criteria for selection will be results.

Present form will be judged on results from the SC the WSYC enduro the Euro Cups and Icicles mini series. Weight to the results will be given depending on the quality of field.

Past results will also be taken into account, results from the National Series the BPC and SC and of course past international events.

 

Voting will be done by blind ballot.

 

 

Signed

Class 8 Committee

 

Send to

 

FAO Mr Stuart Maxwell (National Trainer)

National C8 Team Application

3 Eskdale Close

WESTON-SUPER-MARE

North Somerset

BS22 8QG

 

Ensure that your return address is included

[bora]

You already have brought Mr G Steel back! he sits on the C8C committee:)

[Mark Rose]

The C8C are working hard to bring racing together and provide a better national series.

We fully expect some parties to go on the attack and try to spoil our efforts.

Some people just don't want all sides working together and making progress.

 

If anyone has an issue with the way it's done then please take it up with your club representatives and they will raise your concerns at the next meeting or on the C8C forum.

[AndySmith]

Instead of just whining about peoiple asking questions Mark - do what you are supposed to do as the C8C on my behalf as a FED pilot and answer some of these very simple - even for you - questions

[Kiteboyza]

oh dear......here we go again

[bigred1599968607]

i could well be wrong here and appolise if i am . i understood fisly rules to be like this

 

 

a country not running a national series was only able to send 5 pilots to the event ( 5 male 5 female) and countries running a series of more than 3 races could send a team of up to 10 pilots

 

i know class 8 and fisly rules are flexible but it maybe helpful if the exact situation was clarified before this spirals into the slangin match its shaping up to be

[AndySmith]

Indeed here we go again -

 

Flamed for asking questions that directly effect me - If people dont want a public discussion or comment about posts why do they post them in public - and if you do not care about the subject matter or it does not effect you - then why critise a person who it does effect.

 

Friggin keyboard Nazi's

 

 

edit,

 

Not related to Reds post directly above which is lucid relevent and darn well spot on.

[big-jon]

If you did not wish to be flamed you should have just come to the meeting that tried to solve the whole problem, but that would be too easy now wouldn't it??

 

Moan, moan, spit out dummy, threaten to quit, sla#g people off, then partly quit but not actually do anything to help or be part of anything productive - thats a great plan that !!!???

[Bar None]

 

 

a country not running a national series was only able to send 5 pilots to the event ( 5 male 5 female) and countries running a series of more than 3 races could send a team of up to 10 pilots

 

 

Exactomundo!!!!

 

Where someone got the idea the PKA could send 11 if we weren't running a national series is anyone guess. Was it a blind one?

[AndySmith]

oh gosh who could have possibly predicted that reply.... Yawn - and these are the people who will be considering my application for the UK - yeah no chance of any personal issues creeping in there then - LMAO - what a farce.

 

 

Just answer the questions - instaed of playinmg this silly flame Andy avoiding game.

 

 

 

If you did not wish to be flamed you should have just come to the meeting that tried to solve the whole problem, but that would be too easy now wouldn't it??

 

Moan, moan, spit out dummy, threaten to quit, sla#g people off, then partly quit but not actually do anything to help or be part of anything productive - thats a great plan that !!!???

[Jaak boots]

Friggin keyboard Nazi's

hallo.

i type to search for enemys, i now see nazi.

i read all post above und i see argue, ist dieses Überschußlaufen ,umm argue race?

you English argue always.. Warum,, why,, you not agree?

 

Us German never argue we work zusammen,, join,. Think me you need new leaders to stop falling out

[kiting mad]

hallo.

i type to search for enemys, i now see nazi.

i read all post above und i see argue, ist dieses Überschußlaufen ,umm argue race?

you English argue always.. Warum,, why,, you not agree?

 

Us German never argue we work zusammen,, join,. Think me you need new leaders to stop falling out

It's called the world of the internet and public forums.

 

 

Thinking before you speak that always comes into play but it just doesnt happen online.

 

 

I am with Andy on this one all he was doing was asking questions so why flame him ?

[Jaak boots]

i not flame,is that fight?, i try to know why, is all.. have one body to run race, not many. seem you fight betwen, is right?

[buggybreaker]

And I take it thais has been agreed with the FED and FISLY?

 

Andy why didn't you attend the meeting, no you just snipe on the internet as usual?

I know you enjoy it, but you really do consume all of the baked delights from the earthenware jar don't you.

[buggybreaker]

Now I am not involved in anyway in this committee, and am not active in the racing scene at all, so as many people will vouch I am unbiased on this subject.

Andy will vouch that my location bares no relavance on my opinions either.

 

Now seeing as as there is no national series this year (for whatever reason)but, a team is to be sent, then what has been suggested makes perfect sense to me.

 

The top five from last year will go, well top six. This can ensure that our best and most qualified racers will attend France. Now if you qualified 7-10 last year you might be pretty miffed at this. But you qualified last year well done , but you have to admitt you are not the quality of the top six who have been doing well for many years now.

So what this does is covers say the the other up and coming racers and absent racers of a very high quality, who may or may not of made those remaining places last year, if they prove there worth , along with the people who came 7-10 last year then they have a chance also to qualify. This gives a realistic oppurtunnity to this years racers as well as last years, and lets face it the top five /six would be chosen anyway either way through racing selection or voting.

So lads get out there and prove your worth through results, because thats what will count.

 

And Andy if you disagree with this method, surely your best argument should of been made at the meeting which you and Simon should of attended or two others from WSYC? I here you dropped out because the Supercup officials were attending.

This method was agreed in a democratical way by two officials from each FED recognised entity involved in C8, I believe. Your vote and opinion would have counted , a no show doesn't.

So you do deserve some flaming on this matter.

 

And a blind ballot ..for christs sake it's an annonymous voting process, you all know what it means.

 

Anyway back to the bitching you lot.....and good luck;)

[AndySmith]

Hi Russ,

 

At the meeting which I did not attend - This group agreed and minuted the following.

 

1. That they would run a National series this year

2. They agreed the dates that be used

3. They agreed to abide by only FED and FISLY rules

4. That only the National series would be the criteria of team selection

 

And two weeks later - !

 

Please tell me WTF was the point of that meeting and if they can vote and agree on one thing then to a complete turn about face the next what will ever be the point of any meeting od decision.

 

Blah blah blah Andy you didnt come to the meeting - and what difference would it have made - I wholely support the agreements made at that meeting - and perhaps that is the crux of the problem.

 

Russ its a behind closed does unaccountable for thier actions crock of.

 

 

 

And Andy if you disagree with this method, surely your best argument should of been made at the meeting which you and Simon should of attended or two others from WSYC? I here you dropped out because the Supercup officials were attending.

This method was agreed in a democratical way by two officials from each FED recognised entity involved in C8, I believe. Your vote and opinion would have counted , a no show doesn't.

So you do deserve some flaming on this matter.

 

And a blind ballot ..for christs sake it's an annonymous voting process, you all know what it means.

 

Anyway back to the bitching you lot.....and good luck;)

[AndySmith]

Russ

 

All I am doing is asking questions that are relevent to me as I still race competitively.

 

Whats your reason for posting - looks to me like its get involved with only half the information and dig at Andy becasue its an accepted pastime for non/ex racers.

 

 

Andy why didn't you attend the meeting, no you just snipe on the internet as usual?

I know you enjoy it, but you really do consume all of the baked delights from the earthenware jar don't you.

[Simon Bailey]

....And Andy if you disagree with this method, surely your best argument should of been made at the meeting which you and Simon should of attended or two others from WSYC?....

 

Russ, to clarify...Whilst I was aware of a meeting taking place, I was not informed of the when and where and I still have not received an email detailing this. I can only put it down to either being "missed off" that particular mailing or a mail server issue.

 

Ths first I was aware of the meeting taking place on the sunday, was when Andy asked me on the saturday if I was going (after I'd just returned from the Czech Republic).

 

Please don't confuse apathy with lack of information...

 

Anyway, you short arse git, when you coming out to play again? :D