Ainsdale Update

[muppetdude1]

goodbeach guide...................oh please retract that statement as being an indicator of good water quality

 

at best we have tolerable water quality at worst DISGUSTING

 

llandudno is about as close to here where i start thinking thats better

 

back to the issue - pay centrally for all acess is acceptable paying to local clubs is not imho unless that is ur first claim local club

[kevob]

goodbeach guide...................oh please retract that statement as being an indicator of good water quality

 

at best we have tolerable water quality at worst DISGUSTING

 

llandudno is about as close to here where i start thinking thats better

 

 

i was at blackpool on saturday and the water was frothing like it had too many toilet blocks in it - didnt taste much better either and that frothy scum was stuck all over my board

 

ainsdale on sunday was quite clean

[aworm]

Get ready for July 1st...join the club

 

http://www.kitesurfing.org/bksaPageTemplate.asp?pageID=53&siteID=1&mode=open

[kevob]

but ive already got bksa membership how do i just join the club???

[kitesurfa]

goodbeach guide...................oh please retract that statement as being an indicator of good water quality

 

at best we have tolerable water quality at worst DISGUSTING

 

for latest figures and info see

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4580265.stm

 

 

Official Ainsdale Grades

2004 grade: MCS recommended

2005 grade: Basic Pass

 

MSC recommended = Excellent Water Quality

Basic pass = the Legal minimum required standard.

 

details from Good Beach Guide 2005

[FB]

Just joined the Ainsdale Kitebeach Club, thanks to John who helped me join on the day at the last PKA event. Thought that would cover my transition to water as well. I guess not.

[garykf]

Andy: I have got BBC insurance, Fed insurance and now want to get on the water as well. Aside from joining the club, what do I need to do insurance wise, am I covered by BBC??

[needakite mike]

i am going to join the water club but do i just need an adult over 16 to be responsible for me

[www.airforce.uk]

Mike , You are going to need an adult in attendence.My insurance defines an adult as someone 18 or over, unless he or she is married then it's 16. THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STOP THE ACTIVITY AT AN GIVEN TIME.Which means possibily, that they would not be participating in anything other than looking after you.ie they could not be kitesurfing .Hope this clears things up. Cheers scotty

[spooky]

Spooky yes day visitors will be welcome but will have to join the club and we will look into loaning a rashie for the day if you don't want to buy one(deposit required!)

Hi Cheers for that, have to ask though, when you say day visitors have to join the club, does that mean full membership, or a daily one? What woudl fees be?

 

Also BKSA insurance? Does that means any PKSFinsurance is valid or that you must join the BKSA?

NB Being Cynical If it must be BKSA insurance, sounds like a recruitment drive for the BKSA, via the backdoor?

 

Best of luck, Jon

[scuddasteve]

hi.. i want to be able t Landboard and kitesurf at Ainsdale.. who should i contact.. I have BBC insurance ??

 

Being lazy and too tired to read all thread.. what do i do ?

 

Actually it may be easier to just kitesurf at southshore????

 

Can i still just turn up and landboard ??

[spooky]

Mike , You are going to need an adult in attendence.My insurance defines an adult as someone 18 or over, unless he or she is married then it's 16. THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STOP THE ACTIVITY AT AN GIVEN TIME.Which means possibily, that they would not be participating in anything other than looking after you.ie they could not be kitesurfing .Hope this clears things up. Cheers scotty

If they are not kitesurfing, how would they be able to assist/look after you? If they are on the beach and you are 200m off shore?

Why for junior kite surfers but not little Jonny in his inflatable dinghy that gets swept out to sea?

Tied inwith other threads, sorry if I sound negitive, but really concerned that Sefton council is "leading the way" and as such all the restrictions that apply there will spread and we will end up being butt fcuked?

Not saying we should not have insurance, but how does having BKSA insurance/membership, make anyone safer than some on who does not/other?

NB, Insurance does not make things safe, it just helps out afterwards (possibley).

 

Starting to go down the road of selected members only can use beaches (andy beaches that is for any disaplines, not just KS'ing). As mentione dif you are part of a National body then you should be able to use any/all sites?

May be time for a national body with a national recognised safety test (not a skills test but abasic knowlage of what is dangerous/acceptable etc) that you can take as a written or10/15min verbal test to demonstarte you are aware of the issues etc and when you pass you get a card so you can use any site?

NB Iknwo there are Level 1's, 2's etc but they are skill test and as such you you need official training, my idea is just something that proves you are aware of the safety aspects, so that you can go practice on your own in safety be it on land (board/buggy) or water.

After all not all aspects of kiting need official training?

 

Just a though.

Best of luck, Jon

[kitesurfa]

Not saying we should not have insurance, but how does having BKSA insurance/membership, make anyone safer than some on who does not/other?

NB, Insurance does not make things safe, it just helps out afterwards (possibley).

When you join BKSA you have to agree to the Code of Conduct as posted on their website.

http://www.kitesurfing.org/bksaPageTemplate.asp?pageID=6&siteID=1&mode=open

 

which is basically indicating you have full understanding of Kitesurfing Rules of the Road, an undstanding of Kitesurfing Safety Issues and able to self police where when and how you kitesurf. Still doesn't make it safer but it's more likely that you would follow the guidelines.

 

As for lessons... these don't make you a safer surfer either. It just a stepping stone. Same as driving lessons, passing the required test doesn't make you an expert/safe driver. Its flying time and experience.

[spooky]

Well that can be covered via the permit, or any of a number of ways, but to say that only xx people can do a certain activity on a publicbeach, seeems wrong?

Yes I know that while it is public that does not mean you can do what ever you want, but IMHO teh activity is either safe or it is not safe? So how can some be allowed but others not?

 

Just wish councils would put as much effort into running basic services as they do into restricting/banning kiting? After all just what impact have we had on the enviroment, or injuries to thrid parties etc? They do not put thi smuch effort into things that really DO inpact lives or teh enviorment?

 

Jon

Soon to be ex kiter

[aworm]

Garry Kev and others......if you have PKSF insurance then to join the kitesurf club will cost just £10 for each member this year.

 

Jon although I live 'up north' my office is in Summertown so I'm in Oxford most weeks. If you want to meet up to talk through the issues I'm happy to do that. Sefton is trying to promote not restrict or ban kiting but it has to be managed.They have a duty of care not just to protect 3rd parties but also ourselves from ourselves which is why we are so lucky that they want to continue supporting kiting at Ainsdale.

[gingerob19]

Garry Kev and others......if you have PKSF insurance then to join the kitesurf club will cost just £10 for each member this year.

 

ey up mate - have pksf how do i join the club?

 

Is it the first of July when it's compulsory? Would my membership start from the 1st of July or when application is processed?

 

Cheers

 

Rob

[kitesurfa]

Sefton is trying to promote not restrict or ban kiting but it has to be managed. They have a duty of care not just to protect 3rd parties but also ourselves from ourselves which is why we are so lucky that they want to continue supporting kiting at Ainsdale.

It can be managed by BKSA - You have the required insurance and you self police as you have agreed to the Code Of Conduct outlined by BKSA. Which is also what the affiliated clubs have to agree too.

 

As I asked previously - Why wasn't BKSA involved in any of the negotiations.

 

to which you replied

the Ainsdale club is BKSA recognised so locally the answer is yes... but so what?

being members of a BSKA affiliated club isn't the same as talking to the BKSA commitee, who has the interest of ALL its members, not the few.

They have a duty of care not just to protect 3rd parties but also ourselves from ourselves

Please explain how can they protect you from yourself while still promoting kitesurfing for all. ???

 

Kitesurfing is an extreme sport - you fly at your own risk.

Agree with the age limit, over 16 you can and will be held liable for your actions. Under 16 you must have a parent or guardian who will be held responsable for your actions.

 

To protect 3rd parties - the solution is to set up a Kitesurf launch zone away from the main area of the beach where the public are, which would then be clearly marked warning the general public of the possib;le dangers when entering if someone is launching their kite.

Once on the water the general public are not an issue and other kitesurfers shouldn't be a problem as they too know the guidelines and would have BKSA membership & insurance etc.

[aworm]

AoSKSC does work on behalf of ALL kite surfers and to suggets anything else is insulting but expected.

 

 

3rd parties-There is a launch zone. To suggest that once on the water there is no risk to others is nonsense given that people swim in the sea/jet ski /walk along the beach

 

 

 

Alan have you ever been to kite surf at Ainsdale?

[ShapeShifter]

Alan - Get it toghether dude, Do you want to be able to kite at ainsdale or not ?

the BKSA have been in tatters recently anyway and go on name me one time that they did anything for us up north in terms of a committee ?

 

Look we are working with the council , we ARE already BKSA, and its the council who can restrict access and the BKSA can **** all about it fella....simple as that.

 

Wanna play ? Join in the fun.

[www.airforce.uk]

Spooky, Addressing the issue of a responsible adult being on hand when children are kitesurfing.A lthough this might not be an issue on your local beach in Oxford, here at Ainsdale on sea we are regulary getting groups of kids dropped of by parents at the beach to kite(board buggy kitesurf) .While the kite surfing club actively encourage children becoming involved , as they are the future of the sport (AND FAR BETTER SAILORS THAN MOST OF US!!!!)somebody needs to be respnsible for them . If a group of 3/4 kids arrive we are not being out of order asking a parent to stay also to supervise then. I am no brain surgeon but 3 kids equals 6 parents ,we are only asking for 1 responsible adult per group of say 3 kids. CHEERS SCOTTTY

[kitesurfa]

Spooky, Addressing the issue of a responsible adult being on hand when children are kitesurfing.A lthough this might not be an issue on your local beach in Oxford, here at Ainsdale on sea we are regulary getting groups of kids dropped of by parents at the beach to kite(board buggy kitesurf). While the kite surfing club actively encourage children becoming involved , as they are the future of the sport (AND FAR BETTER SAILORS THAN MOST OF US!!!!)somebody needs to be respnsible for them . If a group of 3/4 kids arrive we are not being out of order asking a parent to stay also to supervise then. I am no brain surgeon but 3 kids equals 6 parents ,we are only asking for 1 responsible adult per group of say 3 kids. CHEERS SCOTTTY

Agree 100% as posted earlier.

over 16 you can and will be held liable for your actions. Under 16 you must have a parent or guardian who will be held responsable for your actions.

 

AoSKSC does work on behalf of ALL kite surfers and to suggets anything else is insulting but expected.

So working for ALL - why is there no day pass for Non club members with full insurance cover as suggested by Spooky ?

Why should non locals pay a full years membership for one or two visits a year.

3rd parties-There is a launch zone. To suggest that once on the water there is no risk to others is nonsense given that people swim in the sea/jet ski /walk along the beach

Swim in the sea - They would have there own dedicated area. Swim outside the flags, you do so at your own risk. Jet Skiers, Windsurfers etc... have their own Code of Conduct regarding other water users, or is it just kitesurfing ?

Walking along the beach isn't on the water... ;-)

Do you want to be able to kite at ainsdale or not ?

Yes, I have full BKSA membership and Insurance - I want also to have a choice if I wish to kitesurf at any beach, without the need to join a club for each and EVERY beach, which requires full year membership.

BKSA membership £25-£30

Club Membership £10

Rash Vest if required = £10 to £15

which would mean £25 extra for each beach. Being non local how many beaches would you pay said fee to ride at every year.

the BKSA have been in tatters recently anyway and go on name me one time that they did anything for us up north in terms of a committee ?

Have you/anyone even bothered to contact them to ask ?

[kevob]

Garry Kev and others......if you have PKSF insurance then to join the kitesurf club will cost just £10 for each member this year.

 

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So can i see you to join?

[gingerob19]

pmd u aworm about joining

[spooky]

Hi Aworm and http://www.airforce.uk.

Cheers for that.

Just thought I'd raise it as while I can see the potential issue regaurding under 16's if the parents drop them off to surf it should not be your responcibility? It's theirs!!

Also will Sefton Council be applying teh sanmerules to all under 16's who do water sports, ie Surfers, jet ski's, little jonny in his inflatable dinghy etc etc? Or in fact will junior members of the land based club be required to do the same?

 

Best of luck, Jon

P.s Aworm I'll drop you a line soon aboot meeting up as could use some pointers as to how things are being run up there?

[aworm]

Kev and Co yes see me.