buggy boy Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 I know there is an XR+ upgrade kit available in the U.S ,which includes new steel siderails,pads and seat, to give you a deeper locked in feel. Not sure if the side rails are any longer. Check Dakitez.com. You can get 150mm longer extended Peter lynn side rails for $145 locally too. Quote
gum-nuts Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 Just had a look and emailed them, comes with side rails, custom seat and pads! Would be ideal teamed with a wide axle and a lot cheaper than a new bug... Quote
cris italy Posted July 21, 2012 Report Posted July 21, 2012 I think you should buy a new car like a station wagon ........ i have a sysmic 2 and a use easy roof rack about 45 too75 dollars on camping shop work very good even for heavy buggy ,but also but havy lifting all the time ..... my suggestion , after a day of crazy kite on the play ground, end hurry too go home for a meal, or run from bad whether; last think you wont too do, is an pack this beast .very heave!! libre prob much easy no the same result speed and stability prefer the sysmic much better up too you now hope this found you help-full Quote
Bones Posted July 25, 2012 Author Report Posted July 25, 2012 Just had a look and emailed them, comes with side rails, custom seat and pads! Would be ideal teamed with a wide axle and a lot cheaper than a new bug... I just had a look too. Could be viable. Or you could get the PL extended siderails for $145, and still be able to afford a wide axle for $245. I notice they also have a carrier for a buggy http://www.dakitez.com/servlet/the-795/Hitch-Mounted-Buggy-Carrier/Detail Unfortunately it looks like it would need to be attached in place of the tow bar, which would be a real hassle. Anyway, I just ordered an S2. Now we need some wind. Quote
gum-nuts Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 Anyway, I just ordered an S2. Now we need some wind. You lucky bugger! may get a wide axle for the comp if the Core sells! But can't afford anything more at the moment . Just booked a big trip over east for January! Quote
Slartibartfast Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 I notice they also have a carrier for a buggy http://www.dakitez.com/servlet/the-795/Hitch-Mounted-Buggy-Carrier/Detail That's a good looking rack. Here is another site selling them with a bit of a review and some better photos: http://www.bigmikeskites.com/VTT/BuggyR ... yRack.html Quote
buggy boy Posted July 25, 2012 Report Posted July 25, 2012 If you are wanting to increase the rear axle width without changing to a wider axle, then the Asymmetric wheels 18/8.5-8" or ("ass"ymetrics as some like to spell it) will get you an overall rear width of 1470mm. I have a set for beach visits. If you wanted to widen on the cheap and don't have ambitions of freestyling I can't see why you couldn't use longer axle bolts and spacers(within reason) as that is the general effect of fitting the Asymmetrics, a longer axle bolt and an offset rim.If it damages your back axle then you have a good excuse to tell your wife why you need a Gigastrong Axle Quote
Bones Posted October 12, 2012 Author Report Posted October 12, 2012 13 minutes for the S2 from the boot to all together, tightened, and the bag strapped on. And that is the first time I have done it, expect to get quicker. Transported in three parts, axle with wheels attached cockpit downtube, forks and front wheel Kites are now all in stuff sacks and can all fit in the Sysmic 80l bag, awesome. Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 12, 2012 Report Posted October 12, 2012 13 minutes for the S2 from the boot to all together... 13 minutes is really good. Can't say I've ever timed myself but I dare say I would be pushing 1/2hr, and that's even with a friend. I bought a set of ratchet ring spanners from Super Cheep Auto and tell you what, that 17mm spanner makes tightening those swan-neck bolts so much more pleasant: http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online ... escription Quote
Bones Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Posted October 13, 2012 I definitely need a ratchet spanner. 17mm is the right size for the downtube and axle attachments? One of those bolts is quite difficult to get too. Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 18, 2012 Report Posted October 18, 2012 I definitely need a ratchet spanner. 17mm is the right size for the downtube and axle attachments? I'm pretty sure it is. It definitely is on the S1 and I believe I used exactly the same spanner when helping Jason (from Briskites) set up his S2 at Kingston. One of those bolts is quite difficult to get too. Is that the rear bolt on the bottom of the "swan-neck plates" you're talking about? I find the top two are fairly easy to get to as is but the bottom two (and particularly that rear one) take a bit of cussing to get tight. A trick I've found is to tilt the whole buggy up and if you rest the front wheel on your forehead you'll have good access to those underside bolts. If you're on a lake you may want to do this before bolting on the rear wheels. You feel a little silly with a kite buggy balancing on your head but it gets the job done The other option is to flip the whole buggy over and work on the bottom bolts with the bug upside down but I find it's enough to just balance the bug on me noggin and crank it with a ratchet spanner Quote
Bones Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Posted October 18, 2012 I'm pretty sure it is. It definitely is on the S1 and I believe I used exactly the same spanner when helping Jason (from Briskites) set up his S2 at Kingston. Is that the rear bolt on the bottom of the "swan-neck plates" you're talking about? I find the top two are fairly easy to get to as is but the bottom two (and particularly that rear one) take a bit of cussing to get tight. A trick I've found is to tilt the whole buggy up and if you rest the front wheel on your forehead you'll have good access to those underside bolts. If you're on a lake you may want to do this before bolting on the rear wheels. You feel a little silly with a kite buggy balancing on your head but it gets the job done The other option is to flip the whole buggy over and work on the bottom bolts with the bug upside down but I find it's enough to just balance the bug on me noggin and crank it with a ratchet spanner I found that I can fold the seat back far enough to squeeze the cresent through. I bought a couple of ratchet spanners in the weekend. You are correct, the 17mm fits the round nuts, however the axle bolts use a different size which is smaller, imperial, and not compatible. Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 19, 2012 Report Posted October 19, 2012 You are correct, the 17mm fits the round nuts, however the axle bolts use a different size which is smaller, imperial, and not compatible. That's annoying. The rear axle on my bug is held in by 6 bolts (and 6 'acorn nuts') and they are so close together you can't fit the ring of the ratchet spanner over the bolts so you have to use open enders on both ends. Even more annoying though is that while all 6 of those nuts are 17mm only 5 of the bolts are :grrr: - for some reason one of my bolts is a little smaller . I found I can just use the same spanner but have to be very careful with it as the bolt is quite loose in the jaws. I figured it was just an anomaly made especially for me so didn't mention it before. If it gets too annoying I guess I'll just replace that 'runt' with a decent 17mm bolt, but unlike you I hopefully won't be undoing the axle too many more times. Guess you'd be able to replace all 4 of your bolts with decent 17-ers if you wanted. Quote
johnnyg Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Hi guys, Finally it's been about 6 months in the making but I have picked up my double buggy carrier. The guys at Aus4WD built it based on design by VAN (you rock man)... Had a hitch made up for the caravan as well, so I can roll it on at home, roll it off during our trips and hook it to the back of the car (as the rack is removable) and go straight to the beach. Couple of pics... If anyone is interested in one let me know I'll put you in touch with Sandy at Aus4WD they will look after you guys. BTW the Sysmic wheels were not on, at the time of the pic, but it fit's perfectly with both buggs. Quote
Bones Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 Well, today two of the axle bolts came off the S2 while I was on the go. I thought they were tight, but I must have been wrong. I spent ages at masters trying to find compatible bolts, still have to try them out and see. Can anyone tell me what high tensile bolts are about? Quote
jhn.holgate Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 I spent ages at masters trying to find compatible bolts, still have to try them out and see. Did you lose the bolts? When I put the sysmic rims on the Vmax, I grabbed some M20 110mm (with 60mm shaft) SS bolts from my local supplier. The thing is for the Vmax (and this may be appropriate for the S2 ) is that there is an extra nut on the inside that locks against the axle. I slip the bolt through the wheel and tighten the nut firmly hand tight - so there is no play - then I thread the bolt into the axle. As soon as the lock nut touches the axle, I use a spanner on both the head of the bolt and the lock nut at the same time and do them up reasonably tightly. They have never come loose in 4500km. If there is a tad too much thread on the bolt for the locknut, you can pack the space with a 20mm locking collar (minus the set screws). I don't think nylocks would make any difference as you're locking the nut against the axle.... Quote
BobM Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 I don't think nylocks would make any difference as you're locking the nut against the axle.... Don't nylocks deteriorate with repeated screw-on screw off processes Quote
jhn.holgate Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 Don't nylocks deteriorate with repeated screw-on screw off processes Sure. But the effort required to put the nylocks on is still substantial after several removals - they may have degraded a little but there's no way in hell their gonna vibrate off. I'd say they're good for dozens of uses. I only use the nylocks on my small buggy where I need them. On the Libre I just use ordinary SS nuts as the locknuts and they have never come loose. Actually, I don't think nylocks would work very well as a locknut because of their rounded shoulder.... Here's a pic of the Vmax/sysmic rim. Note I have a 20mm locking collar (set screws removed) to cover some protruding shaft on the bolt because the bolt is a little long - not needed if the bolt is the right length... And here's where I use the nylock on the 'Vermin' bug... Quote
Bones Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Posted October 21, 2012 It was the bolts that attach the siderails to the axle that came off. Yes, I lost them. Quote
jhn.holgate Posted October 21, 2012 Report Posted October 21, 2012 It was the bolts that attach the siderails to the axle that came off. Yes, I lost them. Ah... I thought the wheels had fallen off! Get some nylocks for the siderail bolts for sure! Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 22, 2012 Report Posted October 22, 2012 It was the bolts that attach the side rails to the axle that came off. Yes, I lost them. Curious. I thought your wheel nuts had come loos too (as mine have done in the past ) Can't imagine why your side rail bolts would come loose, just try giving them an extra crank when you get some more Note I have a 20mm locking collar (set screws removed) to cover some protruding shaft on the bolt because the bolt is a little long - not needed if the bolt is the right length. I'm not sure what it's like on the Vmax but on the Sysmic (or the S1 at least) the end of the axle bar is threaded and the bolt just winds through into the axle cavity. So if the bolts where "too long" you just keep winding them till the head is flush and end up with the "excess" thread protruding through inside the axle, out of sight and out of mind . As it is they come with surprisingly long bolts (probably a full inch longer than necessary) and this excess just pokes through to the inside of the axle quite happily. But it's a moot point given Bones has an issue with different bolts altogether Quote
jhn.holgate Posted October 22, 2012 Report Posted October 22, 2012 the end of the axle bar is threaded and the bolt just winds through into the axle cavity. So if the bolts where "too long" you just keep winding them till the head is flush and end up with the "excess" thread protruding through inside the axle, out of sight and out of mind . Sounds the same with the Vmax. But, if the shaft part of the bolt is too long, then you cant wind the locknut all the way to the wheel. So the collar is hiding a little bit too much shaft, not thread. Quote
Bones Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Posted October 22, 2012 Anyway, high tensile? I couldn't get normal nuts, so I got high tensile ones. Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 22, 2012 Report Posted October 22, 2012 Sounds the same with the Vmax. But, if the shaft part of the bolt is too long, then you cant wind the locknut all the way to the wheel. So the collar is hiding a little bit too much shaft, not thread. Oh, I see. The Sysmic bolts virtually push the wheel bearing to the axle it's self. There is a small spacer (10mm max) between them but the thread of the bolt must run all the way up to the bearing itself. Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 22, 2012 Report Posted October 22, 2012 Anyway, high tensile? I couldn't get normal nuts, so I got high tensile ones. Edit: My previous comments missed the mark. High tensile nuts will be fine. There little dearer than normal nuts but do the same job. And here's a link: http://www.boltscience.com/pages/faq.htm#10 In general, nuts of a higher property class can replace nuts of lower property class (because as explained above, the 'weakest link' is required to be the tensile fracture of the bolt). Looks like "Tough Nuts" are fine Quote
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