I want new kites for 2010.. thoughts..

[Andy-j]

This may sound stupid , but are the 2010 Lf kites out yet all I can find is 09 ?

 

Thought I would have a little look..

 

 

Mines arrive tomorrow.

 

have a look here: Kite It Right - North West Kitesurfing & Wakeboard Shop

 

or here:Liquid Force 2010 - Kites, Boards, Harness & Bindings

[tom1599968574]

question is though do you have to ride a 12m when its 9m weather on the same basis?

 

[before I got the 12 ]15mph on my skim board and the 9 was still just about working for me.

 

Fair enough any 9m on a 7m day will go huge, point was the 9 hifi is just so easy to hold down in silly wind, im not sure how many people would want to venture out on a 9m hadlow/fuel/torch when the gusts are punching into the 40's.

[jamesnaishuk]

cool...

[jjfox1]

Hi Mate,

 

I have 09 Fuel and they are wicked. I haven’t flown any other kites so I don’t know any better but 5 stars from me. I think they look the business when there up!

 

I herd good thing about the Wainman kites, they seem expensive but a few people ride them at South-end and sing there praises.

 

One guy have been riding for donkey’s years and updates his kites yearly, he said there so good he’s going to keep his 09 quiver for another year.

[aevans692]

Ok .. Thanks worth a look, my mate just got one of there boards..

 

One of the things I will be having a close look at is the build, if I am honest I was not over impressed with the build on the 08 vegas's the 09 were a bit better but were good kites , so I swollowed it..

 

From what I have seen the fuels are well built..

 

I can not comment on the new naish or hifi. But my old naish V4's were well built back then.

[Andy-j]

cool...

 

http://www.inner-child.co.uk/dummy3/9427-02.jpg

i think you dropped this james..

[jamesnaishuk]

come on what the hell was i suposed to say? we have all been there done that a hundred times with the massive wind range stuff 15mph to gusting over 40mph, so what, good luck if that is how he gets his kicks but what can you do in that wind strength on that size kite, (yes boost huge!)

on that logic they dont need a smaller kite in the range. Who actually rides in wind much over 35mph anyway.

 

it was a joke, if that is his wind range then good for him. getting me to put up bullshit forum pimp info so that my kites have a 2mph bigger windrange isnt going to happen, will it lose sales to other brands overly pimped kites maybe? will i lose sleep over how my kites are repped on forums to the unwary? no!

 

 

the guy below my 'coo'l post summed it up.

 

he has a fuel he thinks it is great, but he qualifies by saying that he hasnt tried anything else, something that adds credibility to what he says rather than making it a statement that the fuel is the best! or the whatever jumps the highest FACT or this is the coolest FACT at the expense of any info or any indecation that there is anything else available that might just do something differently or better

 

he even says nice things about another brand that might be worth a look. i fail to see whay the pimp posts have to be so dogmatic in the pursuit of this is the best and that is shit mentality that there seems to be at the mo.

[Bigbud]

Interesting post here

 

www.kiteboarder.co.uk • View topic - fuel 2010 v hi fi comp v rabbits

 

[tom1599968574]

come on what the hell was i suposed to say? we have all been there done that a hundred times with the massive wind range stuff

 

 

I really couldnt be arsed to write an essay before, but in order to satisfy the comments of those who do know better...

 

 

When i bought my new quiver, I needed to make sure I got the right kites so I demo'd as much as I could possibly get my paws on. I was sent a 9m comp and the week I had it, we had a couple of days of extremely light winds, i.e., 15mph on a skim where i def needed a bigger kite, and one day where it was mental. the lightwind days, it worked, i held my ground, i wouldnt say it was fun, but then underpowered never is whatever the kite. Point being it is not lacking in power.

 

Personally, I wanted to get back on a C, but i was never been a fan of the overpowered downwind run of death you used to get on older models and you still get from the fuel/hadlow etc to a certain extent, so I needed to test the top end of all the kites I tried. Reading the claims of the rediculous range of the LF, I decided on the silly day we did get, to take it out and see if it was BS - I wasnt sure if i would get another more sensible top end day. Anyone that has been on llangennith when its that windy knows its not just the wind, but the sea gets scary scary big.

 

I wouldnt claim that is the useable range of the kite, but having tried a lot of other kites in a lot less wind, there was no way I thought I, the average rider, would survive more than a few minutes. I think it is testament to the kite I only came in when my body started to hurt, was grinning for a week and if I would have had my phone in my wetsuit, I probably would have bought all three on the spot.

 

All claims on forums do get branded as pimp talk and BS. I have no affiliation with LF but after trying many of the kites listed, my personal opinion is the comp does live up to the hype. The others are no doubt good kites, but the 9m comp is something else. Obviously this is bad for the sales of other brands and easy for the reps to jump on the BS bandwagon but seriously, try the kite, in this case, its not. If you search, there are plenty of normal riders, like me, with similar opinions but as James says, its all BS when its written on a forum. Go find out for yourself.

 

Having flown the 9 a lot since, im not sure I do NEED a 7, or even a 12 for that matter, but I am the type of kiter that does go out when its nudging 50 or 15mph and -7degrees. I dont like flying a depowered kite and i dont like flying underpowered so I have 3 kites. I would say since having them, I have used the 9 far far more than the other two but i wouldnt claim its a one kite quiver.

 

I chose to post because I read the talk of the LF being just the 'brand of the moment' and the thread starter being better to 'stay on older brands like naish and north' because they must be good. I have almost solely flown naish and north for ten years, but after testing as many as I could, and even dismissing LF because they havent been around long [in kite terms] my considered opinion is the LF is a better kite; even if it did take me a while to come to terms with the 'whack' burberry...

[aevans692]

I love these discussions lol..

 

I think that guys do become very attached to there kites and the brands which they fly, I have tried my best in the past to avoid this, but no one likes to think they have spent there hard earnt money on somthing substandard..

 

I have been off the water since the end of sep, due to a MMA injury before I was injured I was excited about the new vegas's coming out, but I had also looked at the fuels.. I had not really given anything else a look in.

 

I have been , on the fence with the Lf as mentioned above they are fairly new to kites, and I had not even thought about going back to naish, as I didnt see them as a super popular kite in some of the places I surf from.

 

In the past from my own observations it looked that Fuels were prob the most popular with north kites close behind. So I found my self leaning towards these..

 

In the past I have ridden lots of kites and have liked and dis-liked diff ketes for diff reasons, which brings me to where I am now , from my past experiance I guess I have built up a mental pic of what I want from my new kites, and my needs ( or requirments) may be very diff from what some of you want.. I would not write off a kite or a brand without my own reasons for doing so I like to keep an open mind. .

 

One of the biggest factors for me in my new purchese's is build , I want my kit to last I dont want to have to replace bits due to poor Qc, I have had kites in the past which I felt were not upto the price which was payed and for me this was dissapointing.

 

I want a C or close to C as I can , I am not a fan of Bow or the one kite quiver, I have used a bow, and have owned a few hybread's and for me I felt there was somthing missing. I learnt on the first storms all thoses years ago..lol.. But because I am not feeling them dont mean they are rubbish, Infact I would prob get a small bow for my doughter when she is ready to get out on the water..

 

There are lots of other things which I look for in a kite and the only real way to get a good feel for a kite is to have a few good days on them, but unfortunatly this is not somthing most of us can do.

 

Guys do tend to pimp there own kites, but we all get used to what we fly and with that anything else which feels Diff , is deemed as wrong.. lol

 

This was just my thoughts..

[Spyke]

I came off my Ion3's because i wanted a C kite so went for the JN PD3 and love it! Good mix of performance and depower, i went foe a 7,9,11, you could get away with just 2 but i could get 3 so did...The 7m is my favourite, such an awesome little kite right at its top end!!

 

The PD3 is pretty close to the vegas10, different shape due to the new LE that the Vegas10 has but they are both similar in the way they fly. Grunty and not as quick as previous models. Build quality on the PD3 is damn good too but the Vegas's Ironheat is better then the QR on the PD.

 

Not flown the latest fuels or any LF though so cant comment on them.

[paulie_amoose]

If your a 08/09 Vegas man get a test fly on the 2010. The build is super beefed up now. Much better than 08/09 and the kites have a simlar feel, just more grunt and better loops...

 

They cost the earth though...

[aevans692]

ok for sure I will have a look..

 

I am going to have a test on the naish and see what they are all about, thanks to James So I am looking forward to that..

 

I dont mind spending the money as long as what I get is going to last, I will def be keeping them for a few years. and want trouble free riding...lol.

[hankster]

the jn primadonna 3 is exactly what i recommended to aevans692 in an earlier post on this thread a kite not to be sniffed at.quick for their size coz they are a c kite and good depower and windrange plus as spyke stated very good build quality as expected from jn.

[aevans692]

will have a look, I have not seen many of them in my local kite shops tho..

[Spyke]

Contact Lem on here, hes a JN guy and lives Kent way i think

[RichieRipz]

Talk to Rich at Kitesurf101 at Camber, he has demo kites at the moment in Kent in various sizes.

 

We have had great feedback from riders of the PD3 this year. I am sure a few folks on here would agree.

 

As always, it's best to test.

[aevans692]

surething , I will have a little look at them, but to be honest they are not top of my list of kites ..

[POT BELLY]

Flexifoil Ion 4? why not? excellent build quality and durability 12.5 and 8.5 should do;)

[gazxtreme]

Just pondering on getting a quiver of 2010 Blade Primes, I have a perfectly good set of 2009 Primes but reading the reviews the new ones seem a tad tamer and having smaller LE will be faster. The big pulling power with wanting a set is that a 7,9,11 quiver and a bar and lines is about £1750, what's about to compete with that?

[jamesnaishuk]

edited as it didnt make much sense, was not comparing the kites to a brick dont panic

Edited December 19, 2009 by james@naishuk

[aevans692]

I had a set of Ion2's and a set of ion3's and had issues with both, and to be honest they are a bit of a step in the wrong direction for me..

 

"excellent build quality and durability" This is not the case, not bad kites fly ok and are better on the 5th line set up..

 

But I had issues with both 2&3's , I know that a load of ion owners are going to tell me they have had no probs at all,...

 

First of The kites dont fly good from the bag, more with the 2's but on all I needed to add extra knots on the pig tails, Even flexi told me to do this.. When you spend out on kites you expect them to fly from the bag ..

 

Then The ion's have a tendancy to suffer from stitching prob on the leading edge, towards where the wing sweeps back, I have seen a lot like this, My ion3 came apart after the first week.

 

There was issues with pig tailes being pulled out, and all sorts.. I have not had or seen the 4's so they may of improved things a bit. ? but I would not even give them a second thought now..

 

This kite truly was a lemmon..

[gazxtreme]

...........as a brick[/quote

[POT BELLY]

I had a set of Ion2's and a set of ion3's and had issues with both, and to be honest they are a bit of a step in the wrong direction for me..

 

"excellent build quality and durability" This is not the case, not bad kites fly ok and are better on the 5th line set up..

 

But I had issues with both 2&3's , I know that a load of ion owners are going to tell me they have had no probs at all,...

 

First of The kites dont fly good from the bag, more with the 2's but on all I needed to add extra knots on the pig tails, Even flexi told me to do this.. When you spend out on kites you expect them to fly from the bag ..

 

Then The ion's have a tendancy to suffer from stitching prob on the leading edge, towards where the wing sweeps back, I have seen a lot like this, My ion3 came apart after the first week.

 

There was issues with pig tailes being pulled out, and all sorts.. I have not had or seen the 4's so they may of improved things a bit. ? but I would not even give them a second thought now..

 

This kite truly was a lemmon..

 

Yeah fair enough. I'm looking at changing my 12m Atom next year, just want something more frrestyle orientated and quicker, mind you there isn't much slower than the 12m Atom:rolleyes: The issue I have when trying to decide, is that nearly every kite brand will have had or are having issues with a product, either kite, bar or board. I have owned the Atoms since 2008 and think the quality is excellent and haven't suffered any wear issues. The issue is at the moment there are so many choices out there, where do you start:confused:

[Afro1599968737]

try kites from a local shop, then if you find one you like and buy it, you are supporting the shop and know where to go for aftersales support.