i think they were just neewbieis to be honest,i've also used viokites,peter lynn waterfoil 5.7,stupid amount of power for size again wgy they only come in 3 sizes i spose.and theres a quite a few lads who use c-quads on the water and land buggying,landboarding and god do the they get some big airs on their static jumps.i had a go on one 5m somming then found out lynn actually make a 10.5m fook me the power that must produce.i'm gonna try kite surfing on an advance 6m viper next but need a lot of wind.