scud49841599968587 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Can i ask... Which do you lot do.. ( i`ll not do it as a poll as i think they are a pain) Do you A... when coming in to land your kite after a buggy session you come to a stop,, get out of your buggy,, and then look for ya sand spike then land your kite whilst on foot..... Or do you B... Scrub all your speed off and Come straight downwind into the area where your kit is and a few metres before you get to your spike you start to apply the brakes to kill the kite so that the kite is on the deck whilst you are still in your buggy..... serious reason why im asking this.... Quote
spally Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 just a beginner to buggying, but am learning to get my buggy back to all my kit and land the kite whilst still seated. Quote
tigertim Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Scud, normally a) for me but sometimes b). I tend to do b) more with bigger kites as they tend to fall out of the sky more easily cruising downwind! Quote
thedogsbollox Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Usually turn towards my kit, Stop before i get there, use the kite to lift me out of the bug. Normal days i hit the brakes and wet blanket it down. Windy days i fly to the side of the window til she touches down and then skip her back along the ground. Tony Quote
scud49841599968587 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Posted January 19, 2009 i should have been a bit more specific.. say,,, 20-30mph,, and you are on a 3-4 mtr Quote
thedogsbollox Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 i should have been a bit more specific.. say,,, 20-30mph,, and you are on a 3-4 mtr Yeah for sure i would keep the kite high and dip it enough to get me to where my kit is. Put me feet down and use the kite to pull me out the bug. Fly to the edge and down the edge of the window to the ground. Skip back along the ground and stake. If it is that windy then put something on the trailing edge of the kite like sand or a water bottle or the like to keep it on the ground. Tony Quote
scud49841599968587 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Posted January 19, 2009 Reason i`m saying all this is because of a accident this w`end.. And i`m only saying all this so others know of the difference in the two ways.. I do B by the way... if you are out flying in high winds n that 3-4 mtr kite is dragging you sideways why would you think that your body mass can hold back the kites power,, and then get out of your buggy and walk to your peg on tiptoe and inadvertently taking your eye off the kite.. THEN your body mass is thrown forward to the piece of sand that is going to hospitalize yourself and screw up your next 6 months..... Wheels were designed to roll,, the human body doesnt have the same geometric advantage... the next link will show why ive decided to speak about this.... Quote
scud49841599968587 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Posted January 19, 2009 http://www.racekites.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24331 Quote
scud49841599968587 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Posted January 19, 2009 if this one thread stops someone else suffering the same injury poor jim is now nursing,, then i think its well worth talking about Quote
thedogsbollox Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 I see where you are coming from here. There are 2 other factors to consider here though. 1 Never take your eye off the kite for long enough for it to get wayward. 2 If you ditch your kite in the sea and it is not flying correctly, be even more careful or wrap it up and get some assistance to right it. Easy to say i know but i am guessing that i wouldn't even seek assistance in that case. Hope Jim is ok and heals fast. Quote
Nick1599968727 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Problem is always going to be the moment of stepping out of the buggy as the lines will go slack, If Mark (blade addict) couldnt hold on then no one could, he grabbed me once as i launched a 4.5 cult and got supermanned. is not the kite directly overhead the safest place (as it wasn't a blade) luckily if i chicken out of bringing my kite down i can pull the first safety on the acces and turn the kite into flapping rag on the end of the lines. who got him home? and the buggy? I wouldnt have liked the trip back in the jd or mule with that pain more to the point of how to land safely it proves how important it is that you dont go out on your own, there are parts of the bank at hoylake that you cant be seen from the shore and if you are on the floor you could be there a long time. Quote
tom1599968574 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 dont agree. With a very powered kite, itll still have a lot of power when you reverse it. If this guy cant land it scudding, add some wheels and id be willing to bet he will be sliding sideways or backwards towards the kite, once out of control, releasing the brakes to sort the bug out and then be hoofed off in probably a worse manner. If you do it pointing towards the kite, the bug will accelerate quite quickly towards the kite, causing the lines to go slack and wrap around buggier/pilot when it lands only for the wind to catch the kite with who knows what consequences. I always pop my belt and land the kite out of the buggy. Even when massively powered you should be able to launch, hold the kite in a safe position and land it with no wheels. If you cant, adding wheels is gonna be bad. Quote
FO Kite Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 At my age I like to use the kite to help me out of the buggy !!!!!!!!!!! Depends on the wind strength ................ if it's howling I will always get out of the buggy. In a well behaved wind drop the buggy while still in the buggy, then work out how to lever myself out! Maybe I might have to rethink after Jim's nasty experience. Get well soon Jim Quote
scud49841599968587 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Posted January 19, 2009 just been on the phone to Jim.. he is in good spirits. Quote
thedogsbollox Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 just been on the phone to Jim.. he is in good spirits. Hope he is drinking those good spirits Quote
Mouthwash Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 I always get out of the bug, I'd rather prevent being overpowered in it and all the safety issues that brings. Also, in the pits if it's tight it is also safer to get out the bug, less chance of injuring someone. Also, I was always taught that when someone is in the cr4p, kill the kite any way you can....at least then it won't repower up and cause more damage. Sorry to hear about the injury, hope you heal quick! Quote
avspider Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 I find it depends how powered up i am, if i'm overpowered i'll generally stop land the kite and get out the buggy. Apart from that, i'll use the kite to get out the buggy Quote
Kitebuggybagman Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Interesting thread, I almost broke my ankle a couple of years ago, after "showing off" for a camera man i thought i would get out and have a chat. Stopped buggy, stood up, lines went slack, and the rest was history, kite powered up and i was gone. Landed on my ankle 20 odd foot away and was hobbling for a couple of months. Cant make my mind up now which is safer With the wind is blowing and overpowered i have always got out the buggy first, thinking in detail about the above accident this was probably a mistake. Although i was tryin to talk to him when i was getting out the buggy. Is there an option C! lol Quote
FO Kite Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Option C when it's blowing hard, before you get out of the buggy reach forward with your free arm and grab the biggest shed of brake line you can. The kite then flags down. Then ask someone near to give you a hand to get out of your buggy. Scud ............... will you ask Jim if I can use his buggy while he is laid up. Be such a pity to waste all that shiney stainless steel. Quote
windjammer1599968715 Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 i land the kite while still in the buggy, as soon as im out the buggy ill take the strop out the roller while i still have my eye on the kite and one hand holding the bottom of both handles, if the kite powers up while im bending down to hook the handles on the sand stake the kite will fly away on its own Quote
frayz Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 I normally buggy back to my stake, take off my seatbelt and use the kite to pop me out of my seat. (lazy way ) Once standing i land my kite and release my roller. Quote
spooky Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Appraoch the "pits" at sencible speed, lower the kite to edge so its almost on the ground with its tip. Apply the breaks to kill power, kite will stay there/drift into zone a tad, as you coast alone to a stop directly up wind of it Jon Quote
Kitebuggybagman Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Free arm ey, i wont ask what you are holding the handles with lol Option C when it's blowing hard, before you get out of the buggy reach forward with your free arm and grab the biggest shed of brake line you can. The kite then flags down. Then ask someone near to give you a hand to get out of your buggy. Scud ............... will you ask Jim if I can use his buggy while he is laid up. Be such a pity to waste all that shiney stainless steel. Quote
parksy Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 So no kite killers or deadman brake then? I know some shun them as beginners accessories but if you take your eyes off a kite and it decides its gonna teach you a lesson, would it not be an idea to be able to let go of kite and kill it before it causes major injury, to you or someone else , I assume we talking fixed bridles as strops were mentioned . Not being holier than thou as I've recently had a big kite go awol, just pointing out that no matter how experienced you are them pesky kites are always gonna try and do you in. Quote
mick Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Reading thro, I had to think hard about what I do. The one thing I know for sure is that I feel I can hold more power when safely sat in my buggy. If it pulls too hard I just roll with with it. I also launch when sat in the buggy. I roll up to my stake and then UNHOOK my harness. Then I get out of the buggy, kite assisted of course, & in the case of a mahoosive gust, I can safely release the kite onto my kite killers. It come down flapping like a beatch but all is safe. Not very cred, an experienced kiter using kite killers some will say. It works for me. Quote
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