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  1. It seems that the Flysurfer lotus speed 4 hasn't been out that long (compared to the 5yr+ run of the speed 3), but Flysurfer are set to launch the speed 5. Unlike other manufactures Flysurfer have a policy of not releasing a new model unless it significantly improves on the old one, so it will be interesting to see how they can improve on near perfection.
  2. Bigfoots, beach racers, midis, barrows, and skinnys. Lots of choices, but how much difference does it make ? The assumption that skinny tyres will go faster than beach racer bigfoots is probably a sound one, but just how much faster, and is the increase lineal, at what speed will there start to be a noticeable difference, and t that magical 100k mark what's the difference there ? Traction... Does a bigger/ wider tyre create more resistance/ friction at the surface than a skinny one thus affecting amount of side pull able to be held, tyre pressures .... I know rob likes them a little soft as he feels he gets extra traction, .....tread pattern ? Whats the science on all this..... I am still going to keep the big tyres on as I like being able to use all the beach, perhaps if the science adds up enough i might get a set for special occasions, but I'd like to know.... What am I missing out on?
  3. For sale Flysurfer 8m Speed 4 (standard cloth) $900, free postage (in Australia) The kite is in excellent condition and has had very little use, as the pictures below show. Comes with bag and complete repair kit. This is a great high wind kite and it is a shame to sell it, but it's time for an upgrade.
  4. robchepstow

    DP Speed

    DP Speed 5.0m Review I am writing this review as someone who has 4 years of experience of power kiting and I have owned several different makes of kite, plus I have been asked on the forum before to review it. Out of the bag I bought this kite from Atmosphere and Al there kindly had it delivered to my workplace, so I opened it up and inside is a black rucksack with one main pocket for the kite and another pocket for extra stuff on the front. I wouldn't say the bag was amazing quality but it's OK and does the job. When I laid the kite out on the floor it looked like good quality with good stitching and numbered attachment points for the lines, which handily tally up with my Ozone lines and handles! There are velcro bridle holders too for all you neat packers. The version I have is white underneath red on the top and has yellow wingtips, one wingtip is labelled 'Speed' whilst the other one suggests that you 'read the instructions before use'. Needless to say I didn't bother with instructions because all was good from the bag. The cells on the leading edge are all open except for about a foot on either side and the cell openings are covered in mesh which I believe is supposed to help even out gusts. The kite was very easy to set up and needed no extra adjustments; it's worth saying at this point that when you buy the Speed it doesn't come with lines or handles so that you can pick your own. Flying My first trip out was in very low wind, around 5mph and I thought I would be struggling especially as I was in land. However the kite got up in the air lovely, however as this is a high AR kite it benefits from being moved through the air so I found the easiest technique was to get it off the ground and pull it through a turn as soon as possible. I have since flown the kite in conditions up to about 18mph and in this wind the kite is really fun. You can get very predictable power to get you scudding around brilliantly or you can send it low to high and get some cracking lift which lets you down soft as you like. Conclusion In conclusion I would say this is a cracking kite at a great price, I haven't tried it with my landboard yet but this is due to my landboard skills rather than the kite and I think it will great for the job. I used to have a Beamer II 3.6m which the smaller version of the Speed is a direct comparison with and I would say the quality of the Speed is hugely better; it is far more controllable and much more predictable to fly. Although this kite is supposed to be more of an advanced kite I would say with some supervision a beginner would be able to control it, depending on how much you fear being in the air! All in this kite is a great deal, I guess it's probably not as good as the Blade or Cult/Haka (although I've not flown those kites) but then it is around half the price. If you are looking for a cracking kite that you can use in a wide range of conditions for a budget price this is for you. By : robchepstow
  5. The Flysurfer Speed I was untangling my new Speeds the other day over at Epsom Downs and a guy who was struggling to fly one of those things Argos thinks is a kite came over to chat. We had a long conversation regarding our shared pastime and unfortunately he walked off in a bit of a huff when I explained that my underpants would have a better chance of flying in the current conditions than his new kite. I even offered to donate them to him for testing, however I don't think he truly appreciated the gift. Something that would have flown well in that wind, if I could get them untangled before the sun set, would be my new Flysurfer Speeds. Introduction Patience is a virtue. Or at least that's what we have always been led to believe. After waiting several weeks for delivery of a few production Speeds they are finally here. I purchased mine from Sven at oceanside.co.uk, I've always had great service and support from Sven and this purchase was no different. I decided to go for a 10m, probably the most popular size, and the 17m which is just huge. I've been a big fan of Flysurfer for some time now so it will be interesting to see how the new kite performs in the real world. The Speeds are designed to be powerful kites, a 10m Speed is said to be equivalent to the 13m PSYCHO2, which in turn is equivalent to a 16-17m LEI. The 17m Speed is roughly equivalent to the 21m PSYCHO2, or in other words, a 25m LEI, so we are talking about a big powerful kite here. Imagine the power of a 17m Blade 3 and you'll be pretty close. The big Speeds create so much power that those crazy Flysurfer guys have actually tried paragliding with them. Please don't even begin to try this with your kites, however it gives a good indication of what these kites can do. Background These latest kites top Flysurfer's current production range. They are de-powerable offering versatility, high performance with superb stability, cover a huge wind range and can be steered very close to the edge of the window. The Speeds use the new XD-14 profile, developed and modelled on computer and then refined in the wind tunnel, these are pretty impressive bits of kit. With an aspect ratio (A/R) of a mind boggling 5.9 across the range, these kites look like they mean business. The Blade3 4.9m for example has an A/R of just 5.0. The graphics and colours of these new kites fit with the evolving Flysurfer tradition and in my opinion look pretty cool. Colours follow the PSYCHO2 scheme, 5 and 13m are blue, 10m is yellow and the 7 and 17m being red. These kites look outstanding. Flysurfer also offer a free 6 month repair deal on all the Speeds they sell in the UK, this to be honest, is an amazing offer and other manufacturers should take note. The Bag The kite comes ready to go as do all new Flysurfers. The way they are packed still astounds me, you can be flying within minutes, no lines to attach, nothing to setup (unless you want to). The bag itself is new and looks like a redesign of the previous blue bags. Good strong material, new colours and a larger rear pocket for carrying boards. Included are also an instruction manual (which I still have yet to read), repair kit and a cheap looking lanyard for putting your keys on. The construction of the bag is very good. No issues at all. The rear pocket is now even bigger and can fit 2 boards quite easily. Bar and Lines As with all Flysurfers, you get top quality products. The bar is very solid and is wrapped in colour coded neoprene allowing you to quickly see which way around the bar needs to go. Very simple, however very effective. Bar length is 50cm on the 10m and a lengthy 63cm on the 17m, the setup and safety is very similar to the PSYCHO2 bar, so if you have flown PS2s then you'll be in familiar territory. Kite setup is on four lines rather than the usual three. Pullies are used to balance the kite and can get clogged with sand and twigs. They need to be kept clean and free running at all times. Line length is adjustable, however as standard is 21m across the range. The MML (Serial Multi-Line-Length) allows you however to adjust the line length in 3m sections. Great for adapting the kite to suit your conditions and riding style, however is something that I'll probably not need to play with. The trim line runs through the center of the bar and attaches to the auto rotor leash. I still seem to experience a similar problem as I did with the PSYCHO2s, the auto restart line gets twisted around the center line. This can be very annoying and potentially a serious issue if you don't keep your eye on it. It's a shame it hasn't been fixed yet. The trimmer has a good solid feel, its easy to operate and the depower available is just huge. The 17m Speed for instance can be depowered to something similar to a 20m LEI, however when fully powered is approaching a 30m LEI. The power available is just huge. The forces on the bar can be adjusted via the WAC system. Five stages from Hard to Soft Steering are available. Kiters looking to cruise will typically go for a soft feedback. Riders coming from LEIs and those looking to ride unhooked will likely go more towards the Hard feedback. I like something in between. How you have it is entirely up to you. Not many kites offer this kind of personalisation. The Kite The first thing you notice when you see a Speed is the Aspect Ratio. At 5.9 across the range, its simply huge. The kites look so big in the sky. When flying the 17m, someone once asked if I was on very short lines as the kite seemed so close. Nope, they are the standard 21m, it's just that the kite is so big!! Each Speed has 35 cells, a 90% surface ratio and a very large projected area. Performance is just outstanding. All Flysurfers are up there at the top of the list when it comes to construction and materials. I've had a good look at every seam, every point where the line connects and I just can't find anything that looks dodgey. These kites are just perfectly made, its really true craftsmanship, Flysurfer are expensive, however you really do get what you pay for. As with previous kites, the Speeds have inlet valves, jet flaps, zipped deflation openings, and pressure release or "over pressure" valves on the trailing edge. The inlets are located along the leading edge and in a steady breeze, the kites fill easily and quickly. Once filled and up to pressure, the kite remains inflated for a very long time. In a very light wind, a bit of leading edge flapping is required, but this is only in winds of less than 3 knots. The jet flaps, as with the PSYCHO2s add to the stability of the kite and also to the lift. All kites are designed with a compromise between performance (reactivity, lift, upwind ability) and stability (no over flying, easy relaunch, constant power). A high performance kite, requires a high aspect ratio and thin profile, however this can make a kite unstable. Balancing performance and stability is where these Speeds really excel. Performance is breath taking and stability is amazing. The jet flaps enable the kite to follow a design which pass beyond the limitations implied by traditional kite aerodynamics. They auto regulate the air pressure system around the kite and give two significant performance features. Max power with no stalling : For a normal kite (foil or LEI ), the lift produced is limited by the stalling point, in other words, when the angle-of-attack becomes too large a kite would not create more lift but stall or even start to fly backwards. The Jet Flaps help to overcome this, since the excess air pressure can be dumped through the flaps. This means that the angle-of attack and consequently the vertical boost and hangtime can be increased beyond anything seen with a traditional kite. Max stability : Jet Flaps balance uneven aerodynamics forces (for example, when the kite is close to leaving the wind window or a gust forces the kite to fly far overhead or a rider under jumps the kite). Therefore, when changing wind conditions or bad steering cause the kite's air flow to break off, the Jet Flaps compensate for lack of pressure on either side of the sail and cause the kite to find its optimum position in the wind window. Setting Up Getting the kite ready to fly is relatively straightforward. If you are used to foils then its easy. If you come from a LEI background then the extra bridle lines may be a little strange but you'll soon get used to them. I've had a few major tangles and had to take the lines off a few times to get it sorted. When the Speeds get tangled then they really do get tangled. The problems I have had probably come from me not packing the kite away properly. Maybe if I read the manual it might be easier. Take the bar from the bag and unwind the lines down wind. Then remove the kite. A simple shake will sort everything out then sufficiently weigh down the upwind tip. Make sure that there are no tangles, hook up the bar and your ready to fly. Easy. And of course there's nothing to pump up !! Launching and Landing In light winds, the Speeds need to be well inflated for an easy side launch. This is relatively easy to do by "pumping" via the center lines, or just move side ways until the kite is more down wind of you then once you're ready walk to one side. Pre-inflation is made easier by keeping the zips on the leading edge open, however make sure you remember to close them before you launch. Launching with the Speeds is like all modern Flysurfers, its just so easy, no help is required. A gentle tug and the kite takes to the air, it takes a few more seconds until it is completely inflated at the tips then your ready to go. I've never yet experienced any issues such as power surges or a lack of control. The kite raises relatively slowly, you still have full control, with a steady progressive power up, the kite is flying above your head. Landing is equally as easy, there are a number of options here, however the easiest way is to have the kite directly over your head at the top of the wind window and to then pull on the lines at either side of the bar. By doing this you are effectively putting on the brakes. The kite will begin to reverse and by keeping hold of these out lines you can control both the speed and direction of descent. A little more skill or care is required when trying to launch and land in breezy or gusty conditions; however it really is all very easy. Flying The Speeds have been flown in a wide variety of locations and weather conditions. They've been used by a number of different people so I could get some feedback from kiters who aren't used to Flysurfers and also feedback from LEI flyers. They've been used for kite surfing, mountain boarding and buggying, so I feel that I'm being fair when I say they've been properly tested. Everyone who has flown them have been impressed. Some are seriously thinking about buying some for themselves. These truly are impressive kites, Flysurfer's just keep getting better and better. The kites fly fast and have direct control, they really feel good in the air. The 10m is probably the most popular, power wise its equivalent to a 16m LEI. It will happily fly in around 5 knots, however will be underpowered. When the wind hits 9 knots then you really start to have fun and as with all of the Speeds, get the kite moving and the power is incredible. Top wind speed is around 27 knots, here the kite is depowered however still manageable. We are talking about a pretty huge wind range here. The 17m will comfortably fly in about 5 knots. 5 - 6 knots and you're underpowered. 7 knots and the power and performance really start to kick in. If you're looking at using these for surfing, nothing will get you going sooner. While everyone else is sat waiting for the wind you'll be out on the water. Its as simple as that. The 17m max's out at around 15knots, however its still manageable and doesn't feel scary. If you like to fly over powered then you can easily go up to around 25 knots. However that is scary. Turning Turning is sharp and quick. The 17m does take time however is probably similar to that of a 20m LEI, however given that its producing so much more power, the turning speed is pretty good. The 10m is much quicker and snappier. Handling is quick and responsive. The pilot will get so much more out of the kites if they have a little experience with high performance kites. If the pilot can feel the kite then the experience is so much better. Both kites can be easily turned around their central axis by pulling the bar and powering up a little as you start the turn. I've had the kites pretty much stalled in the air as they turn. If you get the hang of it you can stall turn without losing the fluidity of the kites motion. Fluidity is probably a good word to describe how to fly these kites. Stability The Speeds are high performance kites. If you haven't flown anything like them its hard to understand what they are capable of. If you think that the Blade3 are high performance then think again, they don't even some close to the Speeds. These kites are in a category all on their own. Stability of high performance kites has always been something that has been lacking. Well, not lacking as such, just something that has to be learnt through experience. The Speeds are very stable, and you feel totally at easy flying these on both land and on the water. I've not yet managed to ditch the kite, not even managed to crash it once. The options to set the kite to your own preference goes a long way in terms of stability, by changing the WAC settings you can tune the kite and either eliminate or add back stall or over flying, or a setting between the two. Precise stability is up to you. On the Hard setting the kites feel like LEIs with no back stall at all, even in light winds. In soft steering mode, the kite has a little back stall however, turns and responds much quicker than before. Jumping To say that these kites are lifty, is an understatement. The Flysurfer guys have used these kites to paraglide with. The lift is enormous, jumping is just second nature when flying the Speeds. Even in relatively sedate winds, big jumps are easy, if not part of the experience. Hang time is again huge, floaty jumps with lots of air time is easy. Adjustments Hard/Soft Steering : The steering forces can be adjusted individually on the bridal adjustments. You can adapt the kite for unhooked kiting, cruising and everything in between. You can decide how you want the kite to fly. APC (Automatic Profile Camber) : The optimized WAC-Line-System allows the kite to automatically change the camber of the profile. The kite will adjust itself to the wind conditions automatically, so whether you're riding at maximum speed with high stability (flat profile) or riding with high lift and power (arched profile), you never have to adjust the kite by hand. MLL (Serial Multi-Line-Length) : Allows you to easily reduce the flying-line length of 21 meters in 3 meter intervals. That way, you can quickly change the kite to a wave rider or adjust it for use in narrow launch locations. LCL (Little Connection Lines) : Predetermined breaking points at the connections of the wing to the bridle lines prevent damage to the kite and the lines. The LCL can be replaced very quickly so you can kite again in no time, e.g. after getting caught in an obstacle. Conclusion I've had Flysurfers for a few years now and something pretty revolutionary would need to come out to make me swap. These Speeds only backup this statement. They are fantastic kites. Designed for experienced kiters, there is nothing these kites can't do. Land, snow and water, these kites really excel. Upwind performance is very impressive, jumping and hang time is impressive. Its really hard to find any bad points with these kites, if I really had to find something then it would have to be the tangling rotor leash and the constant tangles with the lines, but this is probably more my fault than the kite's. If you are experienced, and I mean experienced, having a Bullet for 3 months just isn't going to cut it with these kites, then you really need to try them. Every top of the range kite Flysurfer release is so much better than the one before. Everything has been thought about, everything has been tweaked, everything comes together to give you probably the best foil kite ever made. If you have never flown a Flysurfer then you really are missing out. If you have never owned a Flysurfer then you are missing out. These Flysurfer Speeds redefine kiting. The measure used to define extreme has been redefined. Armin... You get 10/10 for this one !! Author : racekites admin
  6. I live in San Diego and regularly kitesurf at the Silver Strand where the wind conditions average about 10 mph. I weigh 180 pounds and use a 179 cm Litewave Dave as my board. The Silver Strand is on the ocean side of the Pacific Ocean and the surf can range from 3 feet to about 7 feet. I have a Cabrinha 23.5 lei, a 15 m2 and a 19m2 slingshot lei. Of all the kites i own, I prefer the Speed 17. The speed has just as much power as the 23.5 Cabrinha and the turning speed is faster on the softest 2 steering positions. Prior to trying the Speed, I had modified my Cabrinha into a 5 line kite using the bar from my 19m2 Slingshot. My primary motivation for using the fifth line was to aid in relaunch and secondarily to assist in self landings. Launching still required help. Self launches with a big kite in light winds is fairly difficult. However, self launches with Speed 17 is easily done by launching directly down wind in the power zone. The kite takes off with only half the usual power as kite continues to fill with air. It doesn't attain full power in 10-12 mph winds until directly overhead for about 5 seconds. I place the kite downwind and put a handfull of sand on the trailing edge in about 7 places and shake out the bridle lines to insure no tangles and seaweed passengers. I untangle the line by walking toward the bars rather than walking from the bars toward the kite as I normally do with the leis. When I get to the bar I usually have to twist the bar a few times to get the lines untwisted. If necessary, I can easily slip off the center lines and reconnect if the bar has rolled so as to have the center lines wrapped around the steering lines. The key to avoiding tangles is to pack the kite with the bar near the center of the kite but two feet below the trailing edge with the red lines off to the left and the green lines to the right and the kite and the bridles laid out horizontally in front of you on top of the kite. I then fold one wingtip over the other wingtip and roll the two wingtips with the bridles safely sandwiched inside toward the center. When I get the kite fully rolled up, the dirty sandy bar and some of the pully lines are available for easy washing when I get back to my house. The kite is now about 6 feet vertical with leading edge away from you x 1 feet wide with trailing edge at feet and kitebar with small amount of lines right underfoot. I then fold the kite from the leading edge down towards the trailing edge twice, in order to fit into backpack and wrap with a strap. The bar is easily washed as it is not buried in the middle of the kite. The 23.5 m2 Cabrinha has about the same power as the Speed 17. The Cabrinha turns faster than the speed when the speed is on hard steering and slower when the speed is on the second knot from max soft steering. Also, when the Speed is tuned correctly (additional 4 inches added to the back lines), the kite will turn faster when sheeted in and slower when sheeted out. If the kite is backstalled by sheeting in too far (usually a problem when kite is used as delivered with the center lines that are 4 inches too long after third use of kite and stretching of lines and bridle has taken place) sheeting out slightly may be necessary for optimum turning speed. Since, the wind is usually about 10 mph, I have modified my Speed by adding 10 meter lines and putting the steering on max soft steering. With the extra line length, the Speed is a little less responsive to turning pressure, so the maximum soft steering feels the same on longer lines as the second knot did with the standard setup. In addition, the four 10 meter lines that I added were not exactly the same length. Two of the lines were about 4 inches shorter. The shorter lines, I attached to the center lines and the longer lines to the steering lines. This fixed a problem that I noticed has also been experienced by other Speed owners. By the third use, The sweet spot of maximum power with the kite as delivered is almost fully sheeted our with the yellow line pulled almost all the way in. The answer is to shorten the center lines (with big problems with adjusting the emergency depower lines) or easily adding 4 inches onto the back lines. I suggest adding 4 inches onto the back lines. With the additional line length, I now am the first one on the water and the last one off. The extra line length gives a larger power window. The disadvantage is that timing for jumps is more difficult since in non overpowered conditions, the kite takes longer to swing overhead from the edge of the window 30-45 degree off the horizon position. If the wind is 13+mph, the kite is higher in the window and jumping is a lot easier to time and the lift is amazing. Also, with longer lines turning is slower so the kite must be moved to the maximum soft steering position. Also, a big board is required because turning at the edge of the wind window requires slightly more bouyancy to keep on plain for a slightly longer turn. If I time the jumps correctly with the extra power off the ramps produced by the surf, I can get higher and longer jumps than anyone else on the beach. The Caution 20 is the only lei kite that delivers the same class of jumping power, but the people on these kites have about 2 years more experience than I do and weight about 20 pounds less and they still don't get the same lift. With the Speed 17, I can self land the kite without help. I direct the kite towards the edge of the wind window. When the kite is close to the sand, I grab the blue emergency depower line which pulls the trailing lines and collapses the kite with the leading edge up. I then immmediately grab the steering line closest upwind, and run upwind with pressure only on this steering line as I reel it in and get closer to the kite's leading wing. The kite may tumble a litle bit downwind and even roll as this happens. Makes sure that no spectators are downwind when self landing. If the kite tumbles, detangling the bridles can be a 30 minute project if seaweed and brambles get caught in the lines. Nonetheless, after the first two times self landing by pulling the emergency blue line connected to the steering lines, I had no fear of losing control over the kite. Another advantage; I have overflown the kite a number of times through jumping. My Cabrinha would have tumbled out of the sky and perhaps even inverted. The speed will float in the air with slack lines and with a minimum amount of direction and end up back in position within the wind window after 3-4 seconds of powerlessness. The weight of the bridles keep the kite from deforming or tumbling. This is a big advantage when jumping a half mile off shore. One disadvantage of the kite: If you are an expert who doesn't drop the kite into the surf, this kite rocks. If you drop it into the surf and it rolls around in the sand, you might as well pack it up. You have a water logged mess that weighs a ton and requires at least 30 minutes to untangle the bridle lines. All the lei users are busy laughing at you on the beach. I have done this twice in about 12 sessions. Washing the kite in the garage when you get it home and letting it dry now becomes a necessity. If you don't drop it in the water, I don't even bother to wash anything other than the bar and lines which I have conveniently available and unburied in the kite. I have relaunched this kite when dropped into the water by pulling on the back steering lines and flying it backwards off the water. This works great in non surf conditions and with 10mph plus winds. With the advantages of easier self launch, self landing, huge power in a smaller, faster turning package and the useability in otherwise marginal conditions, the Speed 17 with the modifications mentioned above, is the ultimate light wind machine. Having developed some skill with other kites that are easily relaunched, I prefer to use the Speed 17 whenever the wind speed is below 15 mph. The performance is simply not matched by anything else I've seen on my beach. By : SilverStrandMan
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