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Finally had a fly on the new P4 on Monday. Very pleased. Got a few thoughts, though - wondering if anyone agrees??? I reckon the only major change is in the depower. It's clear that there is massively more depower in the bar movement - older flysurfers had decent depower using the strap, but pulling the bar in never made much difference. With this new one pulling the bar in made loads of difference - so much so it's going to take a bit of getting used to. I'm glad I have upgraded - it'll make the gusty high wind days much less nerve-wracking -, but there's a bit of me that's a bit dissapointed too. Getting good jumps, etc, used to be all about timing. Now it seems to be a simple matter of pulling the bar in. Somehow it feels like everything's got a bit easy! Anyway, having been out a bit underpowerd today on the 10m P3 I'm surer than ever that the other half of my quiver from the 8m p4 needs to be a 12m Speed. So, any offers or price thoughts on the other flysurfers? Thanks. Charlie

Hi again folks. Any thoughts on prices for those three I have (or will soon have) for sale? Speed1 10m - well used, Psycho3 10m - great nick, Extacy 7m - great nick. I've no idea, as I haven't even thought about buying a new kite for over two years. I don't want to rip anyone off and am keen on a quick sale, but don't want to rip myself off either. Thanks for any suggestions. (Or offers!). Charlie

Hi Tom. 8m P3 arrived on Monday as expected. Wish the wind would come round out of the South so I can get out on it this weekend. Incidentally, do you know where I can download instructions. I'm sure I won't need them, but nice to know where to go if I need to (and I'd quite like to have a read while waiting for the wind). Charlie

Doh. It's a P4, not P3. And yes, it's 'new to me'. (The extacy's the only kite I've ever bought new). Looking to get a Speed 3 for similar reasons - if they're bringing out a Speed4 then hopefully people will be selling on their S3s. Thanks

So I've gone ahead and got a new 8m P3, meaning I have a 7m extacy for sale. Anyone from here want it - looking for a quick sale so I'd be open to all offers. Or thoughts on where to sell it? There used to be flysurfers on ebay all the time, but haven't been for a while (maybe everyone's realised they're great and never die, so are keeping hold of them!). I'll also have a 10m p2 and a 10m Speed1 for sale fairly soon. Pm me if interested, or email weejock100atyahoo.com Thanks Charlie

Thanks Balugh. Have you ever successfuly 'flagged out' in a real over-wind situation? I've tried it a few times on the beach in practice but never once actually done it on the beach, in at least 2 years of flying the P2.

Actually, one more question. The other thing I don't like about the P2 10m is the extra line(s) - there are 4 lines out of the bar, instead of 3 for earlier FS models. I guess it might be considered a safety feature - I just think of it as a fankle-feature - but does anyone know if newer FS models have kept this? (PS For anyone reading this later and debating LEIs vs foils. Despite what I say above, fankles are really not a big deal with flysurfers - 9 out of 10 times they fly straight out of the bag - but they are irritating when they happen. )

Thanks all. Nice to have my vague feelings confirmed. I'm definitely going to try and get a slightly bigger replacement for the 10m P3. Possibly the 12m Speed2, or a 12m Speed 3 if I can afford it - maybe once the 12m Speed4's come out. (Tone, I'm more beanpole than tub.) That'll be the light- and normal-wind kite. Then I'll think about getting a 7-8m psycho too. Benjy A, if you're determined to have an lei and a foil then I'd definitely go for the big foil and small lei. But I NEVER seperate my bar and lines - seems a recipe for fankles, and it would defeat the main point of foils which for me is the super-easy lay out and pack in. (Assuming, always, no fankles!). Btw, 2nd hand flysurfers are well worth the money - they're brilliantly made.

Hi All, I haven't been on here since the switchover, so apologies if this has been gone over in depth before. Can anyone who has experience of several flysurfer kites please try to sumarise the different sizes. Preferably including the older models, as I always buy my flysurfers 2nd hand. I used to think a FS of x metres was at least equivalent to an LEI of 2m less. This worked for my old 10m Speed, which was easily equivalent to a 13m LEI. But my newer 10m PIII has much less grunt. Still a great kite, but it actually seems to have loads of overlap with my 7m Extacy, which wasn't the case at all for the old 10mSpeed. Any thoughts? Are the newer Flysurfers slightly less grunty per m than the older ones? Was the Speed just an exception? There's a 12m Speed II on ebay which I'm tempted to get to replace the PIII. (I want to stick with 2 kites. The 10m PIII would be a perfect single-kite quiver, but not good as a low-wind option when I also own a high-wind option). Incidentally, I still have my original 10m Speed 1 but I never use it now. If anyone wants to make an offer please do (it's well used).

Does anyone have idea on whether this will be more or less powerful than a 10m Speed (one). Current two kite quiver of 10m Speed with 7m Extacy works well up here in Scotland, but I'm debating whether to get a 10m PIII or 13m PIII given the increased wind range... opinions? (THe speed will go in any case - my car's tiny). Thanks. And have a bump KeyRB

Still for sale? What are you after? pm me if you don't want to post a price. Anyone else welcome to give their opinions..

Did you sell that PIII flysurfer? How's it compare to a Speed (1) 10m - in terms of grunt, not so much flying characteristics. (I want to keep my two kite quiver; currently 10m Speed and 7m extacy - I wouldn't want to go for anything with less grunt than the speed.)

Going to Jamaica for a fortnight at the beginning of Feb. Any suggestions on good beaches, other kiters, kite size, rules etc? We're staying in the NorthWest I think. Somewhere around Montego Bay. C

Can happily vouch for and bump DJStrous. I got my Speed 10 off him not too long ago in perfect nick and for a great price. If he says it's in good nick then it will be; and if the Speed2 is anything like the Speed1 it must be an awesome kite. I dread to think how much of your cash must go on new kites you then sell on sharpish DJ. But keep it up - it means there's a supply of cut price nearly-new flysurfers that I'm quite happy to take advantage of.

Any suggestions on where to get my Speed 10m repaired? I managed to get it (and me at one point!) stuck in a shore dump and rip at a couple of attachement points (some of those clever little attachers broke as per design, but not all). I taped it and have flown it quite a bit but now I'm back in the UK I figure I should get it fixed properly. Ideally SE Scotland or London so I can take it in myself, but could post I guess. Ta Charlie

I rowed down there a couple of years back ( http://www.rowingthedanube.org.uk ) and there was bloody masses of wind - against us most of the time. We were at the black sea in September, though, so not really relevant. There's a couple of spots on the Danube that would definitely be kiteable - worth thinking about. Look out for barges though. C

Hey guys. got to the point where I want to try kiteloops. Have had a look at some of the posts on here (basically it seams to be just Go For IT. DON"T BOTTLE) and think I understand the concept. When's best to try though, and which kite? I fly a 10m Speed and a 7m extacy. The extacy would loop much quicker I guess, but people have said that you're better off starting in light winds - the sort I'm often out in on the Speed. Would the Speed turn fast enough? And dpn't foils have to keep moving a bit more than LEIs so the move would have to be smoother (ie don't wait for the lull at the top of the window, but crank immediately on take off)? Any other tips for first loop much appreciated. Charlie

Has anyone tried snowkiting with kiteboard/mtb footstraps. I mean for just playing around when there's snow at home. I have an old board I got for free cos the binding screw-ins are buggered and have stuck a wooden board on. I'm now planning to screw some old kitesurf straps onto that (probably on blocks so I can fit in with winter boots). Any reason why this shouldn't work? I'll be snowkiting in a pretty small area so I like the idea of being able to drop the board like on a mtb or on the sea. Comments/experience appreciated. C

Thanks guys. Had an awesome weekend out here in Fiji. Nicely powered up on big kite on Sat and landed several double rotations (back - didn't try front). Then on Sunday in more wind on smaller kite I got the hang of controlling single front and back loops and landing toeside. Back loops I can go high and just control how much I spin (most of the time); front loops I have to just do a tiny little jump and loop fast into the landing - if I try going high I still wipe out every time. Forward double rotation next Muppetdude. The wind out here is so perfect so often that for the first time ever I reckon I might actually pull of a kiteloop. Any suggestions on how to get there from this point? C

Wow. Quick reply. Thanks. I went for a few double rotations the other day - didn't land them cleanly, but certainly got that stoked feeling. Haven't felt so good since I landed my first back loop. Can't wait to get out in smooth Fiji trade winds this weekend and land a full double rotation. I'll try the windmill trick on some front loops too. Ta

Hi there. I'm getting pretty confident with back loops and front loops now. But now I'm getting good at popping off of waves I'm over rotating quite a bit, especially on front loops (no one seems quite clear on what's a front loop and what's a back loop - by front loop I mean looking forward over your front shoulder and landing heelside going in the same direction you started). I often find myself up higher than I intended and doing an accidental inversion - needless to say I then just drop down head first, rather than coming out of the inversion. Is there anything I can do to control the rotation speed (apart from going for broke and doing a double rotation)? Any suggestions much appreciated... C

Fiji. I'm here now for a couple of months. But only come if your girlfriends a good surfer - the breaks are huge and usually over reef. Not for beginners I'm told (which is a pity, as I really want a go - it always looks too cold back home in Scotland). Winds are great at the moment. And diving/snorkelling speaks for itself.

Vaguely related: I've got a Speed 10 and an Extacy 7m. I had thought that there wasn;t much overlap (if any) as I'd never really been out in enough wind to get going on the extacy. But recently I've had a couple of good sessions on the 7m where I was thinking about moving up to the 10m. Do you guys reckon there's much overlap on those two kites? And what does 20 knots look like (ie white caps? trees bending?). I think I could probably go out in much more wind than I've dared yet (the Speed's new). Ta C

Ok. I'm landing backloops most of the time now, and front loops some of the time; I can flip between heel and toeside (although only really in one direction) and carve from toeside to heelside. What should I try next? Bearing in mind that I'm flying Flysurfer foils (10mSpeed and 7m Extacy) and there's rarely many waves where I'm flying at the moment (Fiji!). Any suggestions appreciated, with instructions. Ta Charlie

Cool. THink I'll stick with the P1 then. Or might get a Titan if one comes up for sale cheap. C