Your thoughts?

[Disco_Bison]

I have no compunction about naming and shaming these, I hesitate to call them people, but I suppose I should. Likewise, I say name their families and anything you can about them.

 

If they see that what they have done has repercussions for their family, it might have the effect of making them think twice (although I appreciate that thinking once might be a struggle).

 

Whilst I am definitely not advocating lynch mobs storming the streets of Wells, I think our justice system with its useless Human Rights rubbish will not punish them. They will get some community service and a trip to Alton Towers if they finish painting the church railings without eating any of the paint. I think once people start acting outside the boundary of what normal people call decent, then they should forfeit their Human Rights.

 

Something needs to be done though, all good serial killers started on animals so I say we just lock them up now for life just in case.

 

Disco has spoken, and I have just finished a night shift so I am grumpy. Also, if any of my grammar looks odd it is because the apostrophe key on my keyboard has stopped working.

[LichRich]

It's our system. If we don't like it, then we can change it or vote for those who can.

 

You reckon? I think the majority of people in the UK would like to see corporal punishment. Has any party got the balls to say they'd bring back. They're all the same, just different names

[Sand-Yeti]

It's our system. If we don't like it, then we can change it or vote for those who can.

 

You reckon? I think the majority of people in the UK would like to see corporal punishment. Has any party got the balls to say they'd bring back. They're all the same, just different names

 

Another indication of the sad state of the UK politics LichRich, that no party has the guts to improve the judicial system to properly punish evil people that do nasty things to animals.

If everybody wrote to their MP to improve the judicial system, then they would be either forced to do something about it or you just try & find somebody to represent you that will.

I know that's easier said than done but I think it is the best way.

 

In Switzerland when we have issues, if we can get 100,000 signatures, our MP's are forced to bring it into the government so as to put together a proposal that goes to a referendum.

It's not a perfect system by any means and our MP's are concerned about their own welfare rather than the average Swiss citizen in the street. We also have too many do-gooders who believe in human rights of evil criminals.

 

Punishment & retribution has been replaced by relatively luxurious incarceration and rehabilitation.

H.M. hotels must be good as they are crammed full to overflowing & with more people trying to get in.

 

Rehabiltation rarely works as hardened criminals usually re-offend within a short time of release anyway.

 

Bring back tough punishment for nasty crimes I say.

[Capt Slog]

so its ok for joe public to name and shame some teenagers, thereby taking the justce system into his own hands, but its not ok for the muslim populaton to dispense thier own sharia justice?

 

one may make more sense to you, as it fits with your own cultural perspective, but both are equally illegal.

 

I can see your point but it's not the same thing.

 

The boys here were found guilty under the British legal system AND had their names put on this website which made them subject to as someone put it "street justice". The argument about the Sharia law was that Muslims would look after their own affairs OUTSIDE the UK system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's also been mentioned that parents are responsible for the actions of their kids, which I agree with. If the parents of these chavs took the slightest interest in what they were doing, perhaps they wouldn't have been walking around at night looking for trouble.

[eifion]

After thinking about this some more my views have changed somewhat. I've got no problem with criminals being named and shamed, but what evidence do I have that the five people named on the website had anything to do with the killing of a sheep?

 

None, other than the fact that some random individual who claims to be a web developer from London says so.

 

Yet we've all (myself included) roundly condemned the five people named as "little scrotes who deserve everything they get" (my words). Such is the power of the written word.

 

So what I propose is that every county maintains a website like this, and every time someone is convicted in court, their photo, name and address goes up on the website. This information is public domain anyway, anyone can go into a county court and watch the proceedings, courtroom transcripts are a matter of public record, but who ever does?

 

It's important that justice be done, and be seen to be done. An official website showing us just who it is that ruins our communities with criminal behaviour would be a big step towards that.

[Steve1599968621]

Ok, we all feel sickened and abhorred by this, and yes, they deserve a good kicking. If I was in a room with them tied to a chair, I'm sure I'd feel inclined to dish out my own punishment.

 

But. That's us all talking with our hearts, not our heads. Which, as Nemo pointed out, is why we can't have people taking the law, or more accurately, justice, into their own hands. This is why we have appointed people to consider the crime and meter out punishment accordingly, on an accepted scale. Whether this scale is what we would all agree on, is another matter - light sentencing such as community service is always contentious, as is the death sentence, at the other end of the scale.

 

By posting their names and their families' names on the internet, it is clearly going to encourage vigilante action. Which, whether you agree with the judiciary system or not, is a tiny step away from lawlessness. Immediately, the people dishing out the 'justice' become lawbreakers, by our own definitions, and the system all collapses into kangaroo courts, lynch mobs and chaos with detective, lawyer, judge, jury, executioner all becoming 'the mob', guilty of breaking the laws they are attempting to uphold.

 

Also, there's nothing like a good fluffy animal story to get the masses baying for blood.... Irony anyone?

 

 

 

 

 

[Kiteboyza]

What a great idea, maybe more crim inals should be named like this.....the whole under 18 thing, it does nothing for me as crime is crime. Hope they get a good kicking!

[Capt Slog]

I've just read through the emails sent to the site

 

 

 

I would REALLY like to emigrate.

[cassiewoofer]

yep me too.

My first reaction was name 'em and shame 'em.......the trouble is if we go that route we're as bad as them, because similar 'types'.....bored/drunk with nothing to do but older and bigger blokes will probably go round and take their frustration and anger out on them.

It does look like the number of dissaffected youth are on the increase.

It will take a very forward thinking government (hopefully with a load of lottery money) to tackle the root of the problem....BOREDOM.

I mean if we have a **** day we take it out on the kite, or get our adrenaline going in a controled way.

These youths with dissaffected parents need catching young and parenting properly.

I really think the way is to stop certain people from having children....a bit 'Hitlerish' and How you decide who can/can't I don't know!!!

 

BIG PROBLEM.

[kinny]

Just looked at the site myself, and its a bit less informative with regards to information on the accused than i expected but i agree that the personal details should be unavailable at the bare least untill they are ALL found guilty.

It sickens me that some of the worst criminals that have been convicted and paid for by us taxpayers have the anonymity that they do upon release.

 

I was thinking about whether public service should be reintroduced (cue thread hijack) for ALL 16 yr olds. It certainly wouldn't have done me any wrong and would have only done me good as far as i see.

 

It just concerns me that should the little gobs5ites that are taking the country over get signed up for a mandatory 2 yr service, that they would maybe be getting taught the sort of things that would make them even worse in later life should they choose that path?

 

I did some bloody daft things when i was younger (although nothing at the level of muttoncide) and I'm a good person in essence, i have very good morals and I'm polite and seen by all my friends as a "bloody nice guy" (see facebook page lol). I'm not sure how many of these morals were drilled into me by family, i kind of think i made my own choices at a fairly young age and have developed my own take on things as i have grown older.

 

What is it thats making these little 5hits go to the dark side as such? Only so muchcan be blamed on TV,Xbox and beer surely?

 

 

(As hypocritical as it sounds i think a hell of alot of it is down to the US rap music - Its all about how much you have and makes there day to day life sound like a constant night out?)

[windy]

(As hypocritical as it sounds i think a hell of alot of it is down to the US rap music - Its all about how much you have

 

That was old Maggie Thatcher's ethos. ( which is where i believe that a lot of today's, "Me Culture" stems from.

 

Thinking about it, Rap music started to get really big around the same time as Madge took the throne.

 

Perhaps she was an inspiration for the Sugarhill Gang etc.

[Kiteboyza]

Just remember, these young thugs will be running the country and making decisions on our behalf when we are all old and sitting in care homes.....makes you shudder, doesnt it!

[kinny]

Good call windy.

 

I reckon i was lucky when in my easily influenced stage, the worst music stars were the spice girls and boyzone, and childhood heroes (who to this day i still aspire to be like) were the likes of Lennox Lewis,Matthew Pincent and Sir Steve Regrave and Gary Lineker - Hardly the drug endorsed so called heroes kids of today are stuck with.

[Capt Slog]

 

I was thinking about whether public service should be reintroduced (cue thread hijack) for ALL 16 yr olds. It certainly wouldn't have done me any wrong and would have only done me good as far as i see.

 

It just concerns me that should the little gobs5ites that are taking the country over get signed up for a mandatory 2 yr service, that they would maybe be getting taught the sort of things that would make them even worse in later life should they choose that path?

 

 

 

 

I've always thought the same

 

(and LOL @ muttoncide)

[windy]

Just remember, these young thugs will be running the country and making decisions on our behalf when we are all old and sitting in care homes.....makes you shudder, doesnt it!

 

 

 

No they won't!! They are just a small section of the youth of today and i really don't believe they have any interest in politics.

 

The vast majority of kids today are fine and dandy.

[dreadycraig]

 

I was thinking about whether public service should be reintroduced (cue thread hijack) for ALL 16 yr olds. It certainly wouldn't have done me any wrong and would have only done me good as far as i see.

 

*Picks up hijack and runs with it*

do you mean national service?

I think it would be good to have national service again. it teaches discipline, team work and would give the under-achievers skills to take into the workplace.

 

Agree with Windy, it is the minority who are the trouble makers. not all teenagers commit muttoncide (do like that word:D)

[kiter_ryan]

Its gotta be said tho Nemo, them boys deserve a kicking to Hell and back. The justice system isnt gonna do that.

Perhaps, the fact that this chap has developed this site is a reflection of that?

They'll get what they deserve I'm sure. Wouldnt be surprised if one or two of them went 'missing' either. There's a lot of room in North Norfolk, and a lot of Farmers!

F**k em!

 

The justice system is here not just for the reasons that Nemo mentioned, but it is also put in place for, the protection of criminals, and the protection of of citizens.

Sure these kids have done wrong, but Morb, I don't know you, but i assume you broke the law around that age?!? Morb drunk and disorderly Morb trespassing:rolleyes: Sure, these crimes are not as serious as the one that these boys have committed. But im damned sure you wouldn't appreciate it if i made a website about the antics we get up to! Everybody deserves a second chance. If this is their first offence, they better change or they will soon know about it as the law will crash down on them.

 

Not trying to stick up for them or anything, but that website must be brought down. It puts those criminals, and the people around them in danger.

 

 

@Kiteboyza - These people represent the minority of the youth today, yet they give the youth of today a bad name. MEDIA..... They would rather report on youth's on the rampage, than kids succeeding in life. So that's all you get to hear about, giving us a bad name. When quite it is the minority. Those lads have time to change anyway, and i think at least one or two of them will change. Local public humiliation will be too much, and they will cower away from it all, and will change their lives. The others will thrive on the attention and if they survive a public beating will start dealing crack (at least that site got something right)

[kinny]

Yeah meant National Service, i honestly think i would have enjoyed it.

But as i said surely with that you are giving the small percent of toerags some pretty dangerous skills which could be used for the wrong reasons later in life Lets face it they are trained to kill on order first and the "trade" comes after.

 

No offence to younger lads/ladies on here in the forces or planning to join but i know a few squaddies and the young ones are the idiots. They come out of basic training thinking they are invincible and pick on civvies their own age because with there new found skills and confidence they have.

 

They ignore the discipline the army instills and see themselves better than you for doing 12 weeks training and knowing how to fire a gun.

 

Tis the better of 2 evils though imo, bring National Service back!!

 

 

(not meant to be a rant at the forces - i have huge admiration for all serving forces)

[windy]

To quote Matin luther king Jr;

 

Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction.... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.

 

on the otherside of the coin, another pacifist said,

 

Being a pacifist between wars is as easy as being a vegetarian between meals

[Steve1599968621]

Amen brother.

 

 

 

 

 

[windy]

I've seen the light.

 

It's a 15w energy saving bulb.

[Nemo]

Its gotta be said tho Nemo, them boys deserve a kicking to Hell and back. The justice system isnt gonna do that.

 

I agree. But that's because I've worked on some sheep farms, helped out lambing and all that. So If it as up to me, I'd probably give a ridiculously harsh punishment. But thats why I'm glad it's not up to me, and is instead up to a blokey in a wig who has been trained to remain detached.

 

 

You reckon? I think the majority of people in the UK would like to see corporal punishment. Has any party got the balls to say they'd bring back. They're all the same, just different names

 

I don't want corporal punishment back, and every time it is discussed most people say they don't want it back, hence the political parties don't bring it up. That's not a failing in my eyes, that's things working properly!

 

Just remember, these young thugs will be running the country and making decisions on our behalf when we are all old and sitting in care homes.....makes you shudder, doesnt it!

 

Oi! Not all of us go around killing sheep ya know! Some of us run around pointlessly trying to save the animals.

[windy]

Its gotta be said tho Nemo, them boys deserve a kicking to Hell and back. The justice system isnt gonna do that.

Perhaps, the fact that this chap has developed this site is a reflection of that?

They'll get what they deserve I'm sure. Wouldnt be surprised if one or two of them went 'missing' either. There's a lot of room in North Norfolk, and a lot of Farmers!

F**k em!

 

Sure these kids have done wrong, but Morb, I don't know you, but i assume you broke the law around that age?!?

 

I could tell you some tales about Morb's youth. :D

 

 

[Fluffy-lou]

To quote Matin luther king Jr;

 

Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction.... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.

 

Thank you for finding the words of a truly great man who had the skill to express with such eloquance exactly what I know to be right, but couldn't find the words to explain.

[kinny]

Very poignant words, and very true. ^^^^

 

 

 

Lets hug them to death.