Your thoughts?

[Sylenz]

Heres a tricky one for you to ponder. Recently in a little town in Norfolk some chavs decided it would be a good idea to brutally attack a pregnant sheep. They attacked it with a pitchfork repeatedly stabbing it before dragging it through the high street and dumping it in a wheely bin. Nice.

As you can imagine, this caused a lot of emotion through the town and the local news reported the story over a number of nights.

The boys resposible for this crime have been found guilty and fined a lot of money. Some have lost their jobs, one i hear hasnt even been home since the evening of the attack.

Im sure most if not all of us agree that the attack is a disgusting act of cowardice and they deserve all they will undoubtedly get(i heard today that 2 or 3 of the boys have already met with some 'street justice').

 

This brings us to the issue.....An anonymous person has put up a website explaining what happened to the sheep with links to several of the reports in the media. No problem so far. What they have also done though is post the names,photos,addresses,car registrations,bebo/myspace pages,even girlfriends of the thugs that committed the attack. Now these boys are 16/17. No one is doubting their guilt. They do look your stereotypical chav too. BUT, is it right for this website to do what they have done? What about the families of the boys? Lets face it, the cars belong to the parents not the kids. Do the parents deserve to have their windows smashed in or worry about receiving threatening phone calls at all hours.

It was only a sheep, not a child or an oap. But then again, what gives these thugs the right to premeditate such a horrendous attack on an innocent animal and its unborn young. Is it a case of 'live by the sword,die by the sword'. My initial thoughts were fcuk them. They deserve all they get but after thinking about it some more i started to think of the parents and families who were probably just as horrified as us yet have to deal with the consequences of their childrens actions.

 

So, what do you think? Should the site come down, or is it a good idea?

Im not going to post a direct link to the site but if you type in 'the wells killers' with a www and a .com, you can judge for yourselves. Interested to hear your thoughts.

[kinny]

Bad idea as someone could go out to "make a name for themselves" and do something silly, but street justice (although frowned upon) is the best way imo.

The website is almost encouraging retaliation from the public and thats not only wrong but unnecessary as they will get what they deserve.

 

 

 

 

EDIT - In fact nah, sod em, they made their bed and they can lie in it, If this happened and these scum bags got their cummupence (sp) more often instead of a slap on the wrists and a fine/ comm service it would send a very clear message to the little scrote's that are killing this great nation!

[cookie121]

Seems to me this is Norfolk and Sheep, this is surely a lovers tiff gone wrong!!

[wenglish]

these people are under 18 and so are minors, if im correct then that website is illigal and the person who made it has broken laws them selfs. i realy am against what they did in every way but that site should be taken down and the person responsible should be prosicuted.

 

if it was done to me i would be getting it looked into and sorted out myself, purely because i dont agree ith what they have done does not mean i agree to all their personal deatails beaing published on the wqeb for everyone too see.

[LichRich]

You reap what you sow. Perhaps the consequences will now stay with them longer than the mandatory slap/tickle on the wrist they'll get from the law and their families may think a bit further than the usual 'he's a good lad really' cr@p that usually gets spouted out.

[cuckfield flyer]

site found and looking at it now:confused:

let you know what i think later

[eifion]

these people are under 18 and so are minors, if im correct then that website is illigal and the person who made it has broken laws them selfs

 

It was put up by a web developer, so I assume he'd have checked the legality of it. It may be against UK laws (not sure that it would be though just based on their age, most of myspace must be illegal then) but no problem in the US, 1st ammendment and all that. The pics would have been taken from their own bebo pages, pics that the youths themselves put up on the web, so no issue with reproducing those.

 

That's the thing with t'internet, what's banned in one country may be fine in another, and the web is global, distributed, no central control. Example:

 

The Chinese Govt weren't very nice to the students in Tianamen Square. There, with that line I've made the flexifoil forums illegal in China.

 

I think this is a great, interesting novel use of the web and the little scrotes deserve everything they get. I'd continue to think that way right up until the point that I appeared on such a site, due to mistaken identity or deliberate malice on the part of the webmaster...

[doz smith]

if a few more people thought there would be consequences to there actions (or in actions in there parents case (ok an assumption but i believe in nurture over nature!) in action) maybe there would be less of this cr4p happening.

 

but must be carefull that they did do it,

 

and you know what will happen now is that the tax payers will pay a fortune to rehouse and rename these nasty people.

[wenglish]

ok so i see your point but im still not in favor of that site, mistaken identities and all that. i can still remember the story about the guy who had a photo published after he was convicted of beaing a sex offender and relised, an elderly man was beaten by a pair of young mums becuase he was wlaking past a school on his way to the shop because they thought it was the same person, their argument was purely that he looked like the person one of them had seen in the paper a few weeks earlier.

[LichRich]

these people are under 18 and so are minors, if im correct then that website is illigal and the person who made it has broken laws them selfs.

 

From said website....

 

This web site is located on a server in the United States of America, and so is not applicable to UK law.. it is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which permits free speech.

[ribtickler]

I have no problems with it. Name and shame all the way. Scum like that deserve everything they get.

[hank]

Name and shame them but don't put there familys addresses and personal infomation about people close to them.

[ban]

Sack beatings all round I say..

[Afro1599968737]

two problems

 

1. it spreads the ramifications of their actions onto others who were not responsible

 

2. as a mark of infamy it could become a status symbol (like the ASBO)

 

note: i dont condone what they did, but niether do i think that joe bloggs web designer has the right to compromise the families privacy and play a part in the justice system

[Farno]

Being a parent, you must take some responsibility in there up bringing, distilling right from wrong, and so justice is filtered down. Now I admit having a drink and i might think different in the morning but the parents need to take responsibility.

As for the website, name and shame

[windjammer1599968715]

name and shame the the feckers

[festa]

only one thing to say about families

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree!!

my family worked all their live without killing sheep and so will i

so are the families not to blame in some degree for the ill disiplin of their spawn ?

i know my old man would have deaten me half to death with a stick for such a hainass pointless crime

 

 

my families spelling is none to great tho

[festa]

Being a parent, you must take some responsibility in there up bringing, distilling right from wrong, and so justice is filtered down. Now I admit having a drink and i might think different in the morning but the parents need to take responsibility.

As for the website, name and shame

no drink in me but ere ere ere !!!"

[Morb]

Excellent! Thanks Sy. There should be more of this sort of thing! (not the sheep business, the naming and shaming!)

 

 

 

 

 

[Nemo]

Our justice system is here for a reason. It's aim is to remain detached and hand out the appropriate punishment. It's our system. If we don't like it, then we can change it or vote for those who can.

 

So why not let our justice system do its job? If we start taking the law into our own hands, we end up with mob rule. And that's not all that appealing to me. I mean, I probably won't have to worry about getting a parking ticket through my letter box any more, but I may have a brick through the window if I park in my neighbors spot.

 

What the lads have done sickens me, and I personally may not think that a fine is justifiable punishment. But thats the whole point of the justice system - to remove those with personal feelings from the punishment process.

[Morb]

Its gotta be said tho Nemo, them boys deserve a kicking to Hell and back. The justice system isnt gonna do that.

Perhaps, the fact that this chap has developed this site is a reflection of that?

They'll get what they deserve I'm sure. Wouldnt be surprised if one or two of them went 'missing' either. There's a lot of room in North Norfolk, and a lot of Farmers!

F**k em!

 

 

 

 

 

[Sand-Yeti]

One thing struck me as odd.

A chav lost his job. Is that not an oxymoron?

 

Parents spawned the nasty teenagers that the tortured & killed the poor animal.

They are partly responsible for not training them to be law abiding citizens.

So a brick through their window is nothing compared to the horror inflicted on the animal.

 

I totally understand the guy who put up the site as the penalty for the cruelty these chavs have inflicted on the animal is too mild. However, I don't condone vigilante style actions to obtain proper justice becaue this will degenerate into a total breakdown of the process of the law.

I believe tougher penalties need to be introduced for wicked thugs like these teenagers but it should be done through the legal judicial system and approved by the democratic government elected by the people.

 

If enough people hounded the their government representative for harsher penalties, then the government would be forced to take action. If your government fails to provided the facilities to deal with offenders adequately, then kick out that government & put one in that will deal with crimes of horror such as this one.

[windy]

There was a similar kind of attack recently reported around Brum.

A lad atacked a horse with a meat cleaver. Subsequently the horse had to be put down.

The lad was found guilty and sentenced. ( a paultry sentence imo)

 

The local newspapers printed the names, addresses and photos of this fool and his mates who where present.

 

 

 

Now while i am obviously sickened by what these people did to these animals, i don't hold with this eye for an eye business.

 

In the film Death Wish, Charlie Bronson's character has his wife and child killed by a bunch of thugs. For revenge, Bronson goes on to kill a dozen or so criminals.

 

Who is the worst offender? (besides Michael Winner:rolleyes: )

 

 

 

and finally, printing the names of the girlfriends of these barbarians is totally wrong. imo.

[Afro1599968737]

so its ok for joe public to name and shame some teenagers, thereby taking the justce system into his own hands, but its not ok for the muslim populaton to dispense thier own sharia justice?

 

one may make more sense to you, as it fits with your own cultural perspective, but both are equally illegal.

[Sylenz]

Some great points have been brought up and hopefully more through the day. I agree with pretty much everything thats been said!

Its obvious out judicial system doesnt work,we see and read about that every day. Im pretty sure voting in a different colour wont change that.

However, i do feel some pity for the families and those close to the boys who did this. I agree that the parents must hold some responsibility for the actions of their children but as parents they cannot be with them all the time. Most of us have grown up 'learning from our mistakes' but i wonder if these boys have any remorse for their crime? As someone has said, they may see the website as a 'badge of honour'. At the end of the day, some people are just evil sadistic fcukers and go through life hurting others. I feel fairly confident in saying some or all of these lads will end up in prison at some point in their lives. Will that make them see the error of their ways....who knows, doubt it.

To be honest i wonder how effective the site will be. The locals around the towns and villages all knew those responsible anyway. The site isnt really going to get too many new views from around the country and the 'street justice' that was dished out was pretty much immediately after the crime-before the site was up.