No wallop so....

[Kiteboyza]

Water only = BKSA. ( no good if you wanna carry on Landboarding)

 

more than just an insurance provider = SWATK.

 

Insurance and Wallop / Wroughton when they can. = BPKA

 

SportsCover Direct. = Just insurance (and chuffin expensive)

 

I think thats about it.

 

I have left out certain "other" clubs as these only allow you to fly at certain sites, (example Hoylake and CLSC)

 

and SWATK

 

but we do however accept each others insurance and will in the future

[Dready]

yeah that got me worried too, i was just about to check bear before you replied

[Sparhawk]

Water only = BKSA. ( no good if you wanna carry on Landboarding)

 

more than just an insurance provider = SWATK.

 

Insurance and Wallop / Wroughton when they can. = BPKA

 

SportsCover Direct. = Just insurance (and chuffin expensive)

 

I think thats about it.

 

I have left out certain "other" clubs as these only allow you to fly at certain sites, (example Hoylake and CLSC)

 

and SWATK

 

but we do however accept each others insurance and will in the future

 

Did nt realise that was "Official" yet so didnt want to post it

[windy]

Taken from http://www.britishkitesurfingassociation.co.uk/content/blogcategory/14/33/

 

Cover - flying any kite on water or land, kitesurfing, kitelandboarding , snowkiting, buggying and powerkiting

 

My apologies Bear, I got that one spectacularly wrong did nt I?

 

Not just that one, king of Dolts!

[windy]

Water only = BKSA. ( no good if you wanna carry on Landboarding)

 

more than just an insurance provider = SWATK.

 

Insurance and Wallop / Wroughton when they can. = BPKA

 

SportsCover Direct. = Just insurance (and chuffin expensive)

 

I think thats about it.

 

I have left out certain "other" clubs as these only allow you to fly at certain sites, (example Hoylake and CLSC)

 

There is more to BPKA than insurance and fests.

 

It's just you have issues and bias.

[Sparhawk]

Water only = BKSA. ( no good if you wanna carry on Landboarding)

 

more than just an insurance provider = SWATK.

 

Insurance and Wallop / Wroughton when they can. = BPKA

 

SportsCover Direct. = Just insurance (and chuffin expensive)

 

I think thats about it.

 

I have left out certain "other" clubs as these only allow you to fly at certain sites, (example Hoylake and CLSC)

 

There is more to BPKA than insurance and fests.

 

It's just you have issues and bias.

 

 

I have neither Mark, Until january I was a member. (and I only did nt re-new cos I forgot to post the cheque) Perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to what else it offers its members?

[windy]

 

There is more to BPKA than insurance and fests.

 

It's just you have issues and bias.

 

 

I have neither Mark.

 

you got a funny way of showing it, or not showing it.

[windy]

No, i'm fed up with it all.

[Frakke1599968664]

@Spar and Rayens - apologies and I do stand corrected and as there are more options avaialble now I will "strongly" consider switching in the near future or going "dual covered" for the rest of this year - depends where my career i heading ATM... (could be moving abroad in the near future)

 

@Tom - I had the fine privilege of "testing" the BPKA system last year and I can definitely say I am insured and it does work - thank feck it does n'all

 

F

[Sparhawk]

No, i'm fed up with it all.

 

Yeah, and me

 

I did say in this thread I wouldnt debate it, and despite how I may come across I am in no-way anti - BPKA. Far from it.

 

Maybe still a little bitter over the way WSM and Pendine were treated, but all in the past now as far as I am concerned. I do get upset though , when those that do do things come into criticism for doing what others could have done.

[Tobz]

All i know is that if my local council decided to suddenly ban kiting my local spot, the guys at the BPKA will be there to help try and sort out any problems.

 

 

There are some people on this forum who might have a different opinion... oops, gazumped by Spar

 

Skye - my main reason for not touching the BPKA (or whatever they're called these days) with the dungy-end of someone else's bargepole is that joining pretty much ANY OTHER CLUB gives you as a member the right to vote on and off members of the committee - or even to stand yourself if you want. You can vote on the club policy and have a real input. That means you have a part say in the rules; how the money is spent, where it is spent, which insurance you opt for - everything - all the way through the constitution of the club: A team of many - rather than a team of one, as it were Even the greatest fan of the BBC/BPKA can't have failed to notice the dozens and dozens of negative threads which have peppered this forum for literally years now. Can they all merely be dismissed as sniping? What percentage of the dozens of complaints are required before someone wonders whether there's an issue to be addressed?

 

Getting proper recognition for the sport is about working with other people, local communities and representing the interests of your membership. Dictatorships tend to have problems with dissent from the 'chosen path' - and rather than differing views being listened to or taken on board, they tend to be ignored. Someone once said in a public arena (can't for the life of me remember his name) that giving club members a say in the running of a club was akin to 'the tail wagging the dog'. In other words, some people feel that they know what's best - regardless of what anyone else says or thinks. I've always felt that there was a name for people like that... Which is why I concluded long ago that yer pays yer money and takes yer choice. If anyone wants to maintain the status quo of a fractured sport with a single pseudo 'national body' which fails some of the basic key tests which Sport England would want to see if ever we are to attain recognised status, (like having an elected committee) then carry on as normal. If people are completely happy to leave all the decisions to an unelected individual, then fine. If people want to read the same annual threads about undelivered membership cards, or unanswered queries and worries about insurance or to read arguments about access or problems with event organisation and approval, then roll on... However, I think that excercising some choice and some advocasy for what you might want out of your club should logically lead you elsewhere... I think real members clubs, of members, for members - like SWATK and the CLSC - are the way to go.

 

I drive down from Swindon to Wales Skye - doable in and hour fifty and well worth the small bit of extra effort. Let me know if ever you and your mates fancy going and checking the club out and I'll introduce you to some of the less ugly faces

[tom1599968574]

@Tom - I had the fine privilege of "testing" the BPKA system last year and I can definitely say I am insured and it does work - thank feck it does n'all

 

F

 

 

Ok, so lets say your accident happened 6 weeks after you sent off your renewal. Mell will tell you as soon as he recieves your cheque, your insured. Are you happy to take the risk he has recieved your cheque and fly in that huge window it takes to send out a card?

 

With sports cover, you get a proper policy and you can ask what sorts of things it covers. With the bbc, you get a little card saying jobs a good un. Until the bbc can tell me what is involved with their kitewing insurance, i dont wanna be anywhere near it! Id quite like to know about the kite side too...without having to use it to find out.

 

Its really really frustrating trying to find out from them too. You cant discuss things by email and then if you do speak to them, they talk absolute tosh. The last conversation I had with mell about insurance was a long time ago and it still makes me laugh what he was trying to tell me. Whats wrong with being open and telling people stuff?! Put it in the members only section of their website if theyre worried about someone breaking their monopoly. Just a bit of transparancy and I might have some confidence!

[Zotty]

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[flying ribster]

Right havent said anything upto now but here we go..

 

Ok I have been speaking to mike from the BPKA an awful lot recently and I know for a fact there are alot more factors to wallop being cancelled than everyone is making out.

 

yeah ok its not happening and we are all gutted its not going ahead but 5 pages of people chucking their rattles out aint gonna change that.

 

If your really bothered about it being cancelled maybe you'd actually do something about it just as myself, Sam and Jamie are for the uni clubs.

[martin]

I imagine there are plenty of people who would be willing to put some hours in to organise the event, especially if they were given a few months notice. Rather than just announce, "It's cancelled, i haven't got the time". A cry for assistance or even ask for volunteers to take it over would have been better.

[Draggin]

My insurance runs out a couple of weeks prior to what would of been Wallop weekend and I will be renewing, no second thought simply because it covers me for most of the kiting I want to do. The fact that Wallop won't be held this year does not even come into the equation of renewing my BPKA insurance.

 

I just hope all the children remember to pick up their toys up off the floor

 

Tim

[flying ribster]

I imagine there are plenty of people who would be willing to put some hours in to organise the event, especially if they were given a few months notice. Rather than just announce, "It's cancelled, i haven't got the time". A cry for assistance or even ask for volunteers to take it over would have been better.

 

"Ok I have been speaking to mike from the BPKA an awful lot recently and I know for a fact there are alot more factors to wallop being cancelled than everyone is making out."

[Kiteboyza]

I imagine there are plenty of people who would be willing to put some hours in to organise the event, especially if they were given a few months notice. Rather than just announce, "It's cancelled, i haven't got the time". A cry for assistance or even ask for volunteers to take it over would have been better.

 

"Ok I have been speaking to mike from the BPKA an awful lot recently and I know for a fact there are alot more factors to wallop being cancelled than everyone is making out."

 

so why dont you tell us

[avspider]

I imagine there are plenty of people who would be willing to put some hours in to organise the event, especially if they were given a few months notice. Rather than just announce, "It's cancelled, i haven't got the time". A cry for assistance or even ask for volunteers to take it over would have been better.

 

 

It does seem that wallop is organised last minuite, and yes i agree if they asked earlier, then other would of helped.

but oh well, no wallop this yr, there are alot of unanswered questions about BPKA and the way it is. I will be renewing this yr, but I will be asking questions directly to them.

[flying ribster]

 

"Ok I have been speaking to mike from the BPKA an awful lot recently and I know for a fact there are alot more factors to wallop being cancelled than everyone is making out."

 

so why dont you tell us

 

because not really for me to say,

 

well when i spoke to them they were having massive problems actually getting clearance and permission to use the airfield off the MOD therefore obviously why its had to be cancelled!!

[martin]

Sure hope this isn't the thin end of the wedge:(

[col]

Do you lot actually know how the bpka is run, it's mell and julie who post's all your letters, all done by Mell for no Money in his spare time at nights and weekends, if Mell decides to stop you lot have nothing, Both Mike and Mell extremely busy with there personnel lives at the mo and organising Wallop is the last thing they both need..

 

Fact is the succes of Wallop is becoming it's down fall, as the MOD see the success year on year the price to hire the field goes up and up, and without the help of flexi the past few years it wouldn't have happened, if i remember correctly it cost's around 20K to put the event on!!

 

volunteers that don't turn up, rubbish dumped by people who can't be arsed to pick it up, Mell and Mike working till all hours running about begging for this blagging that..the list goes on

 

Any One volunterring to run Wallop...No didn't think so

[Tobz]

Do you lot actually know how the bpka is run

I think most of the people who have a problem with the bpka are VERY much aware... The way it's run is, to many, the crux of the problem.

if Mell decides to stop you lot have nothing

Oh the drama! Better not criticise then, in case he takes he takes our toys away!? Sounds familiar... That USED to be the situation - but increasingly, no longer the case. Check out the number of clubs set up according to a constitution with elected committees. The breaking of the insurance monopoly has thrown the doors open. People seem to be increasingly voting with their feet. It's possible to be PART of a club and be part of the decision making process. Funny that members of the bpka effectively have little or no say in the key decisions - yet at the same time the failure of Wallop is being part cited to a 'lack of volunteers'... maybe those two factors are related? Maybe a club gets the membership it deserves - and vice versa?

there are alot of unanswered questions about BPKA

De ja vu...

[Zotty]

yawn..........

 

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[Tobz]

Ditto your response back atchya with interest..

I know why I'm here and posting... why are you?

 

in case your attention span is low - this is how Skye started the thread:

 

No wallop so....

 

anyone else thinking that they might as well dump their old bbc (bpka) insurance and join SWATK or bksa as it might be a bit more expensive but these folks seem to really do something in supporting our sport?

controversial maybe, bitter about no Wroughton OR WALLOP maybe....

but im feeling like it would make much more sense when my insurance is up next month....