Pansh 3m legend

[Ri chie]

nah not flown one... not even seen one in the flesh, but when i first saw the pictures i thought it was a combat...

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1903/img0084he2.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3018/img9984ht9.jpg

 

Ri chie

[Legoman1599968754]

wat a rip off

 

is this kite even legal lol

[Trikbitz]

Think you're right Richie looks like the proto type combats which also had an higher aspect ratio than the current combat

[custheyder]

There will be pictures of the kite made available as soon as we have direct comparisaon pictures with the Combat and other race kites to prove categorically, once and for all, that this is NOT a rip off or a copy.

 

We are waiting for the new prototypes to arrive with a different colour scheme and pattern. As soon as they do pictures will be published.

 

It seems that some people think they are the same kite because the originally published pictures are the same colour. Nothing else can be assume from a photograph taken at distance.

 

All other pictures have been withdrawn or if not, soon will be.

 

simple.

[Trikbitz]

Now is this a pansh or a combat

[stumcgoo]

certainly looks like a combat from that pic. Im sure a few people said the last one (the airlink) looked like a yak, before the graphics were added anyway

[Legoman1599968754]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:GMCguq0dhZmR_M:http://galeria.forocoches.com/data/3837/DSC05748.JPG http://community.flexifoil.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19310&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1202936634

 

 

Guess which one is the combat.

[custheyder]

Ooo look ... 2 kites the same colour. They must be the same design! The first one is the combat.

 

simple.

[krazykarl]

lol chris . an 8yr on a 4m blade

 

i will vouch for chris on his kites from the far east .

i buggy with him and he is always having fun and going up wind in fact only the other week he was flyin in 25+ ...i was sitting in buggy my 3.2 u turn to much so now bought a 2m uturn

[Rushmore]

different cell openings, different cell count, different bridle also.

 

The only thing the same is the colour! which is now being changed anyway!

[Trikbitz]

Ooo look ... 2 kites the same colour. They must be the same design! The first one is the combat.

 

simple.

 

I would say from that you took or have seen the photograph before because the one of the top uk pilots wasn't sure

[Trikbitz]

lol chris . an 8yr on a 4m blade

 

Or is he one of the top 5 UK pilots???? I know the answer do you???

[Legoman1599968754]

well its not just the colour that looks the same to me, but hey if u are blind then fair doos lol

[tigertim]

Yep its Panshbat... or is it a Compansh?

 

Mind you the cell openings are different... and isn't the Combat just a rip off of the Nitro anyway?

[custheyder]

I have to compliment you on brilliant eyesight for being able to determine the profile of the wing, the shape of the trailing edge and bridle configuration as being identicle, not to mention the number of cells and the vents as being the same as well.

 

Apart from the vents... I can't ... and the vents are different. However, we've had them on the ground ontop of each other and they are not the same. I'd question who's blind.

 

simple.

[Atavar]

... so i could copy the blade, make it slightly more streight at the back and add another bridal line or two and a couple of cells and i can say i didn't copy it? LOL, i'm not qualified to join this argument, so i'll leave it to the lawyers EDIT - I suppose there can only be so many kite shapes that actually work... Bad luck to the company that gets there second.

 

While we're on the subject, have they sorted the issues with it loosing its shape?

[custheyder]

... so i could copy the blade, make it slightly more streight at the back and add another bridal line or two and a couple of cells and i can say i didn't copy it? LOL, i'm not qualified to join this argument, so i'll leave it to the lawyers EDIT - I suppose there can only be so many kite shapes that actually work... Bad luck to the company that gets there second.

 

While we're on the subject, have they sorted the issues with it loosing its shape?

 

Whoo hoo ... now it's a Blade copy. Any more claims? Perhaps they copied a sting... stretched it out, added a few more bridle lines and closed a few cell openings?

 

It's a different shaped kite... why does it have to be a copy? I don't get the obsession everyone has that even though it's different it has to be a copy of something. Let Pansh and PKD duke it out if there is any claim to make. Unless you've seen both kites in detail no one is qualified to comment.

 

Changing subject... Which kite loosing it's shape?

 

simple.

[Atavar]

Naa, the ace was the blade copy

 

I think the big problem is that pansh is useing the public as its R&D department, so this type of conjecture is obviously going to occor between those helping develop with hands on expiriance and those not with only pictures and the knowlage of the kites already on the market.

 

Simpler.

 

Could we agree that because its a racekite it has taken 'styleing cues' from its peers and perhaps built upon them?

[custheyder]

The original conjecture was the Blaze was the Blade copy... This is the first time I've heard the Ace allegation.

 

All pictures of the original proto's have been withdrawn at the request of Pansh, any copies still published have been taken in violation of copyright. New prototypes will reach the testing team next week and it will be tested privately until production, or pictures are ready to prove it is not a copy.

 

Well done... perhaps you'll not see a kite from Pansh until it is launched, as all the other manufacturers do. I think it's a pity we will be restricted from getting involved in the design of the kites we want to fly.

 

simple.

[Atavar]

The blade 'Alligation' is my own personal conjuncture. That is what i have been trying to say, in effect. It is peoples own personal oppinion of what they saw. They are not trying to get the company in trouble, they are not trying to wreck the next big innovation. All they are doing is saying 'I saw this, i think that.'

 

Big companies have to keep their cards close to their chests, its just the way things are.

[Chris S]

lol chris . an 8yr on a 4m blade

 

Or is he one of the top 5 UK pilots???? I know the answer do you???

 

Not sure what the question is, is who one of the top 5 UK pilots? What made you come up with that question and go on tell us the answer.

[tigertim]

 

I think the big problem is that pansh is useing the public as its R&D department.

 

Yeah this is the biggest problem I have with Pansh. You can argue the toss about copying, but when does a truly unique kite begin and end? My view is (from pictures) this looks like Pansh have copied the Combat profile and then tried to make it a bit more of their own.

 

The biggest fear for me comes from the lack of R&D when they make these amendments. Who are their test pilots? I don't know of anyone of any note connected with them???

 

I wouldn't want to buy a high performance kite without knowing the pedigree... so come on Pansh... show yourselves.

[custheyder]

Hi TT

 

Pansh do a lot of their own testing in China before the prototypes come out to play. Of course we don't know anything about the pedigree of their testing team over there only that when the kites arrive they do fly and in general fly well.

 

The UK pilots getting the prototypes to play with are varied. There are 3 currently racing the circuit with experience of U-Turn, PKD and Ozone kites. That is to say they have full racing quivers and are using them in anger. I can't release their names, but if they wish to step up and say "it's me" no problem. I don't have any authority to say yay or nay.

 

Then there are folks like myself who are not racers, but know their way around a bridle and tuning. What we find we pass onto the racers, and they say what they think and what they want to happen and so we try again and round it goes. Typical testing lifecycle stuff. With the new race kite this is even more formalised than it has been in the past. We now know who the other testers are and are speaking to each other! The last testing I was involved with was a very lonely business.

 

What do I get out of it? I get to play with new kites, and maybe keep a prototype or two. Most of all, I enjoy the process of messing with a kite and making it, in my opinion, better. Am I employed by Pansh? No, there is no cash changing hands. Sponsored by them? No, apart from the proto's they send I pay the same price for their kites as everyone else. Can I speak on behalf of Pansh? No, I do not have that authority.

 

Pansh have had a rough ride from the kiting community so far, and I can see that continuing for a while yet. Will big, established names in racing get behind them? I doubt it while they can get more respected companies to back them and why would they want to put themselves in the firing line for the hassle and abuse often hurled at Pansh fliers? I hope this situation changes in the future.

 

At the end of the day it is upto you what you fly. Stick with the established or take a gamble on something else. I'm enjoying playing with new kites and tuning them. I have no evidence of any illegal activity with regard to copying kites on Pansh's part. You can't tell anything of detail from a photograph and with race kites, the performance is all in the detail.

 

I hope that answers some of your questions TT, even if not in the detail you might like.

 

Fly safe.

 

simple.

[tigertim]

Thanks Simple... although that doesn't reveal much really.

 

I can't think of anyone I know on the UK race "circuit" who is involved with developing Pansh kites. Maybe some of my mates have a secret stash and they're leading the rest of us astray! I'll be honest, I doubt very much that these secret testers from "the UK circuit" have any real race experience... maybe they don't exist at all.

 

As for you and the others "who know their way around a bridle"... without meaning to sound curt... but who are you and what is your experience?

[custheyder]

Sorry mate, can't give you names, though I'd like to. If they want to stay hidden it's upto them. After all it's not friendly out there on the beach to Pansh fliers.

 

So who am I? ... I've been trying to get name changed here to the one I use everywhere else, but so far no luck or reply from FlexiForum. Even if they just drop a note to say "Can't do it, you'll need to setup a new account. "

 

Everywhere else I'm Custheyder. I'm a moderator at PanshForum. You probably know me from over at RaceKites. We've crossed threads in the past before now.

 

Fly one on a beach near you soon TT, all I or anyone asks is that you keep an open mind.

 

simple. (Cust.)