Rossp Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 cwignall - if u can get up to harrogate some time dan at action-pact has one for demo - that im borrowing atm. He's away untill the 21st but im sure he'd let u have a go on it. Quote
MadMan1520 Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 i would still have my Flysurfer Psycho II over the lot, it rocks - 'nuf said. Quote
cwignall Posted April 13, 2007 Author Report Posted April 13, 2007 cwignall - if u can get up to harrogate some time dan at action-pact has one for demo - that im borrowing atm. He's away untill the 21st but im sure he'd let u have a go on it. Woo deffo - (has which one for demo?) My rentz live in Hgate near the stray so that not a problem at all - Pm sent Quote
Skyhooked Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 just to throw another question in at this point... part of the dilema is that an inflatable keeps its shape far better than foils...if a foil colapses then its more difficult to reinflate. but then again as has been said - foils are straight out the bag and ready to fly... does an inflatable keep its shape far better? the bridles on the foil to the job of the inflatable struts just the same inflatables have a heavier leading edge which doesnt help when flying on slack rear lines and gusty conditions the arc is still a ram air foil, like the sabre, but closed cell and different bridle set up as you know i would think this issue is probably pretty far down the list of concerns when choosing either of these kites...as said, they are both very stable mad man 1: find out what cognitive dissonance means;) Quote
Afro1599968737 Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 i thought ram air meant that there was air flow through the kite...so closed cell is not ram air [foil refers to the cros-sectional shape of the kite] btw Cog. Diss is worrying about the difference between ur thought and action Quote
hankster Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 I never said anything about Frenzies.... hate the things! you hate frenzies why on earth is yhat one of the best depowers out there. Quote
Farno Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 Just dont like them, thats all! I'm with you Quote
Farno Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 does an inflatable keep its shape far better? the bridles on the foil to the job of the inflatable struts just the same inflatables have a heavier leading edge which doesnt help when flying on slack rear lines and gusty conditions the arc is still a ram air foil, like the sabre, but closed cell and different bridle set up as you know i would think this issue is probably pretty far down the list of concerns when choosing either of these kites...as said, they are both very stable mad man 1: find out what cognitive dissonance means Sorry had to read this post a few time, just to make sure i was reading it right. Skyhooked i had a big long post for you, but i deleted it, you need to fly a twin skin for a good amount of time in proper gusty conditiond. i had a sabre and had venoms I and II. The venoms are WAY more stable, the phantoms are WAY more stable. Quote
hankster Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 and strangely enough i don't like arcs,too much kite to get decent power,too much hassle launching and landing,plus packing the 13m/15/18m of foil away,and last but by no mean least the price even 2nd hand 2-3yrs old the phantoms/venoms/guerilla 11's/and bombas are costing £300 rtf on average. Quote
Skyhooked Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 i thought ram air meant that there was air flow through the kite...so closed cell is not ram air [foil refers to the cros-sectional shape of the kite] btw Cog. Diss is worrying about the difference between ur thought and action ram air means IIRC that the air rams into the foil via the vents at the front of the kite, just like it does on the arcs, they still have the vents. the closed cell refers to the fact that some of the cells are infact sealed off, and the vents have one way valves on them. the structural integrity of the arc is preserved by the flow of air through the kite often after launching an arc, especially in light winds, it needs to be held at the edge of the window so that it can carry on inflating via the air entering the vents on the leading edge cog diss - that was just a little friendly poke to the guy with the p2 who doesnt want to believe that kite technology has moved on from those horrible old lunkers:D bit like the guy who buys a car and then deliberatley avoids looking at any reviews or ads of other cars...incase they turn out to be better! been there many times myself... Quote
Skyhooked Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 and strangely enough i don't like arcs,too much kite to get decent power,too much hassle launching and landing,plus packing the 13m/15/18m of foil away,and last but by no mean least the price even 2nd hand 2-3yrs old the phantoms/venoms/guerilla 11's/and bombas are costing £300 rtf on average. the resale value is a very good thing if you are selling mind you. certainly pros and cons for both types of these foils, but i can't honestly think why someone would hate the 07 frenzy....it pretty much sets the benchmark in depowerable foils i think a good session under one would change that:) maybe it's the image of the frenzy that doesnt appeal? appears to mainstream or the obvious choice? Quote
Afro1599968737 Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 or the price mon...i'm trying to get a 14m and its looking like its gonna set me back some 400 to 600 smackeroonies...i could get two PL arcs for that! Quote
spooky Posted April 13, 2007 Report Posted April 13, 2007 or the price mon...i'm trying to get a 14m and its looking like its gonna set me back some 400 to 600 smackeroonies...i could get two PL arcs for that! But the equiverlent sizes does not fly or turn as fast so hard work to throw about espcially on light wind days Do a search on here as some one is selling 14m Frenzy, think i may be a 05 but is at the lower end of you price bracket. Which while you may get the equiverlent arc for, you would not get two lol Jon Quote
harry_a Posted April 14, 2007 Report Posted April 14, 2007 i think a flysurfer is the best of both worlds really.... a psycho 2 or a speed considered that? Quote
cwignall Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Posted April 16, 2007 i think a flysurfer is the best of both worlds really.... a psycho 2 or a speed considered that? Ive tried my mates 15m Psycho - that was scary! other than that i like the kites altho im not familiar with the range - may be worth trying Quote
domdino Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Psycho I's are completely insane kites! They've made some massive massive advancements in their kite designs ever since the Pyscho II though... i think a flysurfer is the best of both worlds really.... a psycho 2 or a speed considered that? Ive tried my mates 15m Psycho - that was scary! other than that i like the kites altho im not familiar with the range - may be worth trying Quote
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