Sabre 2 or Peter Lynn Scorpion

[cwignall]

Sabre 9.5 or 12m

or

PL Scorpion 10m

 

For land boarding and buggying.

 

If I was to buy a new kite it would be between these 2.

 

Its gonna be a while before i start on water so i dont mind buying a new kite then if you were to recomend a Sabre.

 

cheers

[Farno]

The Scorp has WAY more lift than the Sabre. I found that the old Sabre bar and depower lines were too long to use in my buggy but my Venoms were fine on the 04 PL bar, i havent tried a new 07 PL bar. The Sabre is a nice smooth buggy engine and if you balls it up it easier to get back in the sky, but the Scorp has more lift flys faster and will be more stable.

[Marky G]

well just incase you didnt know the scorp is an arc and as a result has a lower projected area than the sabre. this means that the 10 scorp is less powerful than the 9.5 sabre and the 12 sabre is more powerful again.

 

therefor id consider just the 10 sc and 9.5 sa out of these.

 

having only flown their predecesors (sp?) i can say that either of these should be ok as a first depower as i gather it is.

 

the sabre would be easier in that you can just unwind and launch but the scorp will have auto zenith which means you can just let go and it will sit there.

 

depends what you want from a kite at the end of the day.

 

M

[cwignall]

thanks for the replies-

 

mainly for cruising up and down the beach on a board with the occasional jump when i feel adventurous

 

After reasearching it seems the sabre is more for freestyle but is good for cruising.

 

I like the smoothness of the arcs/inflatables but never tried a depower foil

[hankster]

spot on marky g if you want an arc = in power to the 9.5m sabre your looking at about 13m or maybe 15m.but you'll be able to fly the 10m scorpion in way more wind than the sabre

[Crob203]

Yeh although If you want for cruising with the occasional jump Id go for a VII or VI instead of the Scorpion. The scorpion is alot more aggressive in every area and has way more lift.

 

Look at the 13m VII, or if your a fatty the 16m

 

The sabre2's are also wicked kites, easy to launch, great safety, good ground handling. But not as stable as the arcs.

[slide]

there is quite a lot of differentce between the sabre1 and 2 .for a start the 2 sits at the venith easier...and when u redirect for a jump it "glides" for ages-much more lift, yet its still great in gusts -the best improvement, that i like is the wing tips are rock solid stable- because of the very small bridle system...and the fact that the bridle/lines are on the very outside of the kite-- this makes it brilliant in light winds--i have found take it to the edge of the window ina light wind and it sort of sits there waiting for its next command ....the sabre 1 had loads of bridle where as the sabre2 may well have the smallest--if you get a chance , get yourself a close look at a 2;s bridle,you;ll see what i mean:) ....ps ..its super stable-how many people giving an opinion, have actually flown a sabre2 for more than 5 mins

[Crob203]

I have

[spooky]

What kites have you already got and what winds are you looking at covering?

The 10m Scorpion is a HIGH wind kite, equiverlent to a 7m Sabre (roughly).

The 9.5 Sabre is mid wind 10/12-25+ as a rough guide, depending on skill and balls, equiverlent to a 13m Venom 2/Scopion.

Probally the best one kite size to go for, same as with a 10m Frenzy etc.

 

But let us know what winds you want covered and odds on can advise better, as the 10m Scopion may suit you better if you want something for 20mph plus winds?

Though think it may be a case of what style of kite suits you best, and then look at what size you need?

Never know there may be a 9.5 Sabr 2 for sale second hand (looking at another thread) soon? lol

Jon

[Skyhooked]

Yeh although If you want for cruising with the occasional jump Id go for a VII or VI instead of the Scorpion. The scorpion is alot more aggressive in every area and has way more lift.

 

Look at the 13m VII, or if your a fatty the 16m

 

The sabre2's are also wicked kites, easy to launch, great safety, good ground handling. But not as stable as the arcs.

 

 

crob203 i think you hit nail on head with your last comment:)

 

the sabre2 is a great kite - and from my experience it does lift a heck of a lot more than the 1st one!

 

my findings with the scorpion are different to yours however. i find it to be the opposite of aggressive in most respects, and while the lift is huge, i wouldnt say overtly aggressive there

 

arcs are a very chilled out ride if you want to potter about...easy bar pressure, and i dont think the scorpion delivers the aggressive 'pop' that the sabre2 can be made to deliver

 

also i think that when the gusts come racking through, the end of a scorpion is not a bad place to be

 

really both are cracking machines though. would be nice to read a head to head review about them, perhaps with another couple of freestyle kites thrown in...wonder if this will happen...

 

can you imagine the comparisons: kiteloop ability, unhooking, depower, lift, stability etc...hmmm;)

[Steiner]

If you go for a venom don't go as high as a 16m or it will all just be sideyways stuff, the 13m is the ultimate weapon for this.

[slide]

Never know there may be a 9.5 Sabr 2 for sale second hand (looking at another thread) soon? lol

Jon............................................................nah , he just ain;t dialed in to it yet jon:)

[Crob203]

Yeh although If you want for cruising with the occasional jump Id go for a VII or VI instead of the Scorpion. The scorpion is alot more aggressive in every area and has way more lift.

 

Look at the 13m VII, or if your a fatty the 16m

 

The sabre2's are also wicked kites, easy to launch, great safety, good ground handling. But not as stable as the arcs.

 

 

crob203 i think you hit nail on head with your last comment:)

 

the sabre2 is a great kite - and from my experience it does lift a heck of a lot more than the 1st one!

 

my findings with the scorpion are different to yours however. i find it to be the opposite of aggressive in most respects, and while the lift is huge, i wouldnt say overtly aggressive there

 

arcs are a very chilled out ride if you want to potter about...easy bar pressure, and i dont think the scorpion delivers the aggressive 'pop' that the sabre2 can be made to deliver

 

also i think that when the gusts come racking through, the end of a scorpion is not a bad place to be

 

really both are cracking machines though. would be nice to read a head to head review about them, perhaps with another couple of freestyle kites thrown in...wonder if this will happen...

 

can you imagine the comparisons: kiteloop ability, unhooking, depower, lift, stability etc...hmmm;)

 

How have you got your scorp configured VPC and internal strap wise? Ive got mine set on agressive and have tightened the internal straps a little.

 

Result is a really explosive pop when sent back and bar pulled in. To the extent that I was doing method grabs no problem because my board is already behind me ready to grab. It also lifts me when I change direction without even pulling the bar in, which can be a bit lairy if your not used to it.

 

Chris

[cwignall]

thanks for the replies guys

 

with regards wind speeds not a clue! - i fly regularly in a 'sheltered' area - plenty o space but trees all around the edge makes the wind more mild.

 

But occasionaly trips to the seaside where the wind its a bit more powerful.

 

Id like a kite that will last me for a bit as i progress - for example id rather get a more powerful kite and fly it on half power all the time but will last me until i progress over a year for example to full power. Rather than get a less powerful kite, flown on full power but then have to buy another when i out grow it.

 

Ive only flown the following kites - Flexi 2.5 Rage, PL Pepper 4.5, Best Bularoo 10m. So limited experience.

 

Do we know any shop/where i can try both?

 

thanks

[Crob203]

If you can get down to Nottingham to the airboss airfield you can demo my Scorpion.

 

Chris

[harry_a]

for sure a scorpion will be more versatile in that it is useable on water and land, and you can adjust the power, depower lift etc. to youre liking.. this would definately be my choice. i think size wise a 13 is best as its the more usable size on water if you wanted to in the future but the scorpions have more depower so its still very freindly on land when it gets windier i just have memories of the same very windy day, and a 7m sabre trying to kill me on my board but a 10 venom was safe, felt in control and most importantly stable. i didnt need 3 buggiers to grab my legs to stop me being dragged into the beach huts when the bridles tangled (meaning i couldnt steer) and the safety jammed

[Rossp]

i just have memories of the same very windy day, and a 7m sabre trying to kill me on my board but a 10 venom was safe, felt in control and most importantly stable. i didnt need 3 buggiers to grab my legs to stop me being dragged into the beach huts when the bridles tangled (meaning i couldnt steer) and the safety jammed

 

that'll be the sabre 1 tho wont it harry? sabre 2 saftey is as good as any, 5th line totally kills power. Bridals dont really tangle either on the sabre 2

[Breezer]

Sabre 2 all the wayyy dude!

 

Breezer

[maxlevens]

id have to say scorp or other arc, as i think arcs are great in general - i can tell you with no difficulty, that the p15 that i replaced my sabre 1 with was way way way more fun to fly, and much better for learning tricks with. the scorp i have now is a little nicer than the p i reckon, better in gusts i think - better depower also id say - but then the sabre 2 is meant to be way better than its predesecor too...

 

my opinion would always be with arcs (p's v's and scorps at least) over any depower foil...

[Skyhooked]

 

 

crob203 i think you hit nail on head with your last comment:)

 

the sabre2 is a great kite - and from my experience it does lift a heck of a lot more than the 1st one!

 

my findings with the scorpion are different to yours however. i find it to be the opposite of aggressive in most respects, and while the lift is huge, i wouldnt say overtly aggressive there

 

arcs are a very chilled out ride if you want to potter about...easy bar pressure, and i dont think the scorpion delivers the aggressive 'pop' that the sabre2 can be made to deliver

 

also i think that when the gusts come racking through, the end of a scorpion is not a bad place to be

 

really both are cracking machines though. would be nice to read a head to head review about them, perhaps with another couple of freestyle kites thrown in...wonder if this will happen...

 

can you imagine the comparisons: kiteloop ability, unhooking, depower, lift, stability etc...hmmm;)

 

How have you got your scorp configured VPC and internal strap wise? Ive got mine set on agressive and have tightened the internal straps a little.

 

Result is a really explosive pop when sent back and bar pulled in. To the extent that I was doing method grabs no problem because my board is already behind me ready to grab. It also lifts me when I change direction without even pulling the bar in, which can be a bit lairy if your not used to it.

 

Chris

 

hi crob, i have the 10 and 16 and have played about with all the settings etc...but do not feel that the scorpion has as much pop as even the venom 2

 

i mean 'wakestyle' pop, no whip. the sabre2 certainly wins here out of the two kites. the scorpion is a bit too high aspect for that, and just forces itself to the edge of the window

 

similar can be said of it for kitesurfing - certainly it works, but edge to hard and you can depower the kite. this can also be seen as a good thing, it's just the way it is, not knocking it for it

 

the sabre2 i felt has more 'grunt' in this respect. anyway, talk about thread drift...oops

 

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(to original poster) i would think that you ought to be able to demo the sabre2 at any of the flexi centres as listed on this site

 

for the scorpion, have a look in PK mag and see what shops sell peter lynn i guess

 

you wont go wrong with either of these kites i am sure. by the way, any reason you're not looking at the 07 frenzy?

[cwignall]

 

you wont go wrong with either of these kites i am sure. by the way, any reason you're not looking at the 07 frenzy?

 

Not thought about the frenzy. Just liked the idea of a big flexi

 

will look

[cwignall]

just to throw another question in at this point...

 

part of the dilema is that an inflatable keeps its shape far better than foils...if a foil colapses then its more difficult to reinflate. but then again as has been said - foils are straight out the bag and ready to fly...

[Crob203]

I never said anything about Frenzies.... hate the things!

[Marky G]

bad editing there i think /\/\/\/\/\

 

M

[cwignall]

I never said anything about Frenzies.... hate the things!

 

 

doh! Soz - should have been skyhooked