Boarders Vs Buggiers : Kite Positions

[tigertim]

Hey tubster!

 

You may have noticed this above your post;)

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Yes, I read your suggestion to speak to the club secretary on each and every insipid occassion . The Email was sent long before you added (yet again! ) nothing new to this thread.

 

And stop getting so god damn officious you arse... it really doesn't become you

 

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Tim, contrary to popular belief there is no conspiracy / cover-up or dismissal of the issue. It is WSYC policy to not discuss club matters on public forums. We have protocols in place to allow any member to air any grievance or issue, either via the commitee or the AGM.

 

As I have stated, on more than one occasion, if you have any question regarding the operation of the club, please direct them to the club secretary.

[big-jon]

YOu drinking and typing again Tim???

[Pablo]

Bah, Just pretend the boarders and slow buggiers are cones, pass them upwind, downwind, whatever, the fact is there's lots of noobies out there just trying to keep rolling, If I treat everyone as such, there's very little chance of them doing something stupid to cause me problems.

 

Fact is, I've only been buggying for a year or so, and have almost no one to share the beaches here with, but put one other buggier or boarder on the same beach, mostly noobies here and they slowly gravitate to me, Seems annoying, but they're following me and trying to learn, following tracks to figure out running lines across the wind and such.

 

Usually I'm fairly powered up and have had no problem cutting upwind by a fair ways if someone's heading at me.

 

If they cut in front of me like the idiot noobie they are, usually caused by a direction change without looking back when they're just in front of me and upwind by a bit, it's easy enough to downturn the kite, head downwind at a powerfull rate, swing the kite back around and be gone.

 

If I can figure this out without anyone explaining it to me, no one else around to watch, why is it so hard for people to understand that at the end of the day, it's up to every last one of us, buggiers and boarders alike to take on 100% of the responsibility, act like you're wearing a homing beacon and every one you get around will turn in front of you last minute. If you plan for this you won't be caught with your pants down. Not paying close attention and taking on the responsibility is similar to crossing the street without looking at traffic then blaming the bus for hitting you.

 

We all need to be safe and considerate to keep the public areas open, end of story.

[Kiteboyza]

as i said before...run over them and blame it on bad eye sight, large blob of mud on goggles, never saw him...etc

[avspider]

as i said before...run over them and blame it on bad eye sight, large blob of mud on goggles, never saw him...etc

 

definatly the way to do it

[Kiteboyza]

definatly the way to do it

 

yep its worked for me the last 7 years:)

[The Geoff]

it's up to every last one of us, buggiers and boarders alike to take on 100% of the responsibility, act like you're wearing a homing beacon and every one you get around will turn in front of you last minute. If you plan for this you won't be caught with your pants down. Not paying close attention and taking on the responsibility is similar to crossing the street without looking at traffic then blaming the bus for hitting you.

 

 

Exactly. Stuff happens. The experienced should know how to avoid newbies and keep themselves out of trouble. Newbies should be over cautious and ask for help. Experienced folk shouldn't be afraid to offer a frindly word of advice.

 

I've been on both ends, and have recently gone right back to the newbie stage as I get into the strange world of water kelpies (or kitesurfers)

 

A newbie recently dropped a kite right in front of me with no room to spare, I've still got the cut. There was no point yelling at the guy because he didn't mean it, and to be honest got a huge scare with folk running and shouting at him. I should maybe have paid more attention to the fact that there was a newbie upwind of me.

 

It's a learning curve for everyone. The only other option is to impose rules that will turn 'rally driving' into 'London rush-hour'.

[Smiley Mike]

Right.... I've read all this through, and here are my opinions (as a not very experienced/good buggyer and boarder!)

 

1. Someone overtaking

 

If you are passing a newbie/slow person/boarder then surely it is the responsibility of the overtaker to ensure that there is not a collision? He/she is the one that is risking a collision, and if he/she is passing someone who is less experienced/less able to move out of the way, then surely it is their responsibility to prevent a collision because of their choice to push it faster/show off etc

 

Example - 'bout half a year ago, when i was still very c*ap at buggying, I was just doing across the wind runs (this is at purley way, croyden). There was also an experienced boarder flying a 16m flysurfer (i was using the blade III 6.6 - low winds, so no chance of a lofting!). The boarder was going waay faster than me, and when he came near me, he just gave me my space, and was wary for my kite luffing and dropping, or me not being able to manouver it as much as i can now.

 

2.passing in oppisite directions

 

With regard to upwind/downwind rights of way and dropping the kite etc, I know from experience, that there is no way that I can take my kites as low when i'm on the board (at least compared to when im buggying), and the same applies to raising the kite - i would never ever be brave/stupid enough to raise a kite so high that it risks lofting me out of the bug... especially when passing!!

 

Also again, the faster/more experienced (and therefore more in control) person should recognise their responsibility to be prepared to take evasive action (as the less in control person can not do so as effectively). Also, by doing so, you would be showing good ettiquet (spelling?), and hence doing your bit to help this newbie from becoming an arragant C**k who does not respect the "rules of the road" (or sand in this case )

 

3.experienced flyers who wont take evasive action

 

Run over them and kick 'em when they're down.

 

Soz.... long rant!

 

Mike

[tigertim]

YOu drinking and typing again Tim???

 

Whoops! It would seem that some lager fuelled yob has logged on as me and made a t*t of themselves! You wait till I get hold of them.

 

Sorry Si, just joshing , see you at the weekend.

[Sturmovik]

Once upon a time there was a solitary kite flyer on a beach, he progressed and got a board and buggy and a few more kites..........and for a while all was blissfull. After a time, the lonely kite flyer began to be joined by others. They shared his enjoyment of flight and movement joined by the zephyr forces of the wind, and became blissful and content, in their pursuit of kiting simplicity.

But, there was disquiet in the lonely flyer's heart, he saw the beauty and simplicity of his pastime corrupted by those who sought to win, when no race had begun; to aspire, yet not goals had been set or considered; and covet the shores and land for their own aims.

More and more kite fliers came and they displayed their kites as rank and status, not things of beauty. Their reckless abandon began to threaten children enjoying the sea, adults and council became angry and wished for no kites to be flown.

Now the lonely flyer looks sadly at his kites, and what has become of his favourite beach and pastime; fad, fashion, status, exclusive clubs and land that should be owned by no one under the dominion of a few.

 

Needless to say I was absolutely totally against clubs and their control over beach use. But after seeing the stupid ignorance and blatant 'look at me, look at me' attitude of more and more individuals that unfortunately own kites and buggy or board. I can only say it's the only way to protect other beach users.

Next time I see any F********* moron setting up his 10m penis extension right in front of little kids despite being told not to , I will forget totally about the 'we are all kiters in a big family' b*********s and gut him like a pig hoping the rush of oxygen to his backside may instill some brain activity.

[Rebble]

I've got three opinions.

 

That is the trouble isn't it Tim having opinions and wishing to ensure everyone hears them.

 

Crud god almighty this sport has enough problems with bans without a load of internicene fighting about who can and can't and who should and shouldn't.

 

Personally; just get and bloody fly and leave this trash in the bin.

 

P.S. Stop stirringhttp://community.flexifoil.com/images/icons/icon4.gif

 

P.P.S. Like that entry Sturmovik anyone for a PIG ROAST?

[Nick G]

Once upon a time there was a solitary kite flyer on a beach, he progressed and got a board and buggy and a few more kites..........and for a while all was blissfull. After a time, the lonely kite flyer began to be joined by others. They shared his enjoyment of flight and movement joined by the zephyr forces of the wind, and became blissful and content, in their pursuit of kiting simplicity.

But, there was disquiet in the lonely flyer's heart, he saw the beauty and simplicity of his pastime corrupted by those who sought to win, when no race had begun; to aspire, yet not goals had been set or considered; and covet the shores and land for their own aims.

More and more kite fliers came and they displayed their kites as rank and status, not things of beauty. Their reckless abandon began to threaten children enjoying the sea, adults and council became angry and wished for no kites to be flown.

Now the lonely flyer looks sadly at his kites, and what has become of his favourite beach and pastime; fad, fashion, status, exclusive clubs and land that should be owned by no one under the dominion of a few.

 

Needless to say I was absolutely totally against clubs and their control over beach use. But after seeing the stupid ignorance and blatant 'look at me, look at me' attitude of more and more individuals that unfortunately own kites and buggy or board. I can only say it's the only way to protect other beach users.

Next time I see any F********* moron setting up his 10m penis extension right in front of little kids despite being told not to , I will forget totally about the 'we are all kiters in a big family' b*********s and gut him like a pig hoping the rush of oxygen to his backside may instill some brain activity.

 

Very true what you say. This pastime of ours seems to be going down hill bigtime, since it it went mainstream some years ago.

[Nick G]

Anyway, whatever happen to the terms Port & Starboard. if you are on a head on course with someone just turn to starboard which is turn right.

If someone says to me your on a port beam reach i know which way the wind is blowing and i also know if my kite is at 11 o'clock or at 1 o'clock. I dont even have to think about it. Basicly what we are doing is sailing on land.

some years the terms Port & Starboard where used often on this forum. All we get these day's is Left & Right, upwind & Downwind.

[animal_69]

Once upon a time there was a solitary kite flyer on a beach, he progressed and got a board and buggy and a few more kites..........and for a while all was blissfull. After a time, the lonely kite flyer began to be joined by others. They shared his enjoyment of flight and movement joined by the zephyr forces of the wind, and became blissful and content, in their pursuit of kiting simplicity.

But, there was disquiet in the lonely flyer's heart, he saw the beauty and simplicity of his pastime corrupted by those who sought to win, when no race had begun; to aspire, yet not goals had been set or considered; and covet the shores and land for their own aims.

More and more kite fliers came and they displayed their kites as rank and status, not things of beauty. Their reckless abandon began to threaten children enjoying the sea, adults and council became angry and wished for no kites to be flown.

Now the lonely flyer looks sadly at his kites, and what has become of his favourite beach and pastime; fad, fashion, status, exclusive clubs and land that should be owned by no one under the dominion of a few.

 

 

wicked..

 

Im a noob of 7mnths an i can relate to this.

[Rebble]

Bah, Just pretend the boarders and slow buggiers are cones, pass them upwind, downwind, whatever, the fact is there's lots of noobies out there just trying to keep rolling, If I treat everyone as such, there's very little chance of them doing something stupid to cause me problems.

 

Fact is, I've only been buggying for a year or so, and have almost no one to share the beaches here with, but put one other buggier or boarder on the same beach, mostly noobies here and they slowly gravitate to me, Seems annoying, but they're following me and trying to learn, following tracks to figure out running lines across the wind and such.

 

Usually I'm fairly powered up and have had no problem cutting upwind by a fair ways if someone's heading at me.

 

If they cut in front of me like the idiot noobie they are, usually caused by a direction change without looking back when they're just in front of me and upwind by a bit, it's easy enough to downturn the kite, head downwind at a powerfull rate, swing the kite back around and be gone.

 

If I can figure this out without anyone explaining it to me, no one else around to watch, why is it so hard for people to understand that at the end of the day, it's up to every last one of us, buggiers and boarders alike to take on 100% of the responsibility, act like you're wearing a homing beacon and every one you get around will turn in front of you last minute. If you plan for this you won't be caught with your pants down. Not paying close attention and taking on the responsibility is similar to crossing the street without looking at traffic then blaming the bus for hitting you.

 

We all need to be safe and considerate to keep the public areas open, end of story.

 

Ah! It's because the "idiot noobies" do not possess your superior intellect my dear Pablo.

 

They are mere pond scum and you are quite obviously a superior crustacean.

 

So join the Neo Facist Kite Brotherhood and together we will rid this world of these vile NOOBIES and you will be able to enjoy your sport unadulterated by their vile stench (Hahahahahahahaha)

 

You can only join NFKB if you possess superior kiting abilities blond hair blue eyes and a Swastika pinned to your royal arse.http://community.flexifoil.com/images/icons/king.gif

 

Heil me!

 

Oh before any other Zebra Fish out there moan it's called tongue in cheek humour.

[Sturmovik]

Glad you liked my little story, sad to say it's coming true.