So Flexifoil Force who's been out

[kite-uk]

 

found it well if this is the one..

 

Dazler he and I have chatted on KB

 

Yes I did what he did pulled on the red line and he was lucky I was not but I am being roasted for not getting it up in the air

 

If you RELOOK at my video you will see me doing this.. and you will also see me nearly get it up 3 times before it fell down again. I was just unlucky to the point I just coasted it back to the shore and started again.. no biggie.

 

Also I was not able to stand up like he was able to so prob why I was not able to get that last 10% on the kite to get it up in the air.

 

 

RIGHT so no more you can't kite jabs and your not in a club

 

 

it's all about the Kite

 

One point I will make is, I bought a Hadlow bar and lines to go with this kite, As I thought that was the one for the " C " kite type kite. It turns out now that even on the Flexifoil web site they have added on a foot note to say, this kite is best flown with a All in one bar and lines so oh pants! have I got my self a bar and lines that has not got as much depower as the All in one bar and lines that the rider in the Video has got?

Edited April 16, 2013 by kite-uk

[bash1599968729]

yes dude thats the one,

 

and to be clear the club thing was not aimed at you it was a general comment hence why i said somewhat off topic although as i also said the point is Dalzer was standing up not floating about out of depth. its going to make a difference as he wont be dragged back and can produce the resistance needed to get the kite off the water.

[kite-uk]

Just got off the phone to Flexi Peter has been great.

 

The Halow ID bar is perfect for the Force. and the depower is just the same so if any one goes for a Force kite then go for a ID bar and lines. Even the lines are well you need to see one I have never seen lines so strong looking.

 

The whole Hadlow ID bar is really nice, smooth running. Grip is amazing! so I am very pleased with all the whole thing..

 

He mentioned the company will go towards this type of bar and esp the lines as time goes on.

 

Peter mentioned a few more tricks to try and he reconded I did what I could and was best to come on shore and start again. But with some pratice as it's not going to lauch from the water as easy as a delta kite. So I am going to take it out again and ditch it on purpose. I don't mind taking the time to do this it's important and does no harm other than learn more skills.

 

But we both agreed the speed the power of this kite is just WOW!!!!!! got to say I was over taking people on Sunday I never overtake poeple I mainly follow but Sunday I was over taking them all with out trying

 

 

 

Ref clubs yeah I do defend the self taught to a degree. You have to have lessons to start you off but you have to then go and self teach your self from there on. The area I fly we all talk and swap notes and it's very much a perfect area for people helping each other. It would be nice to have a club but I think some times clubs can dilute the free flow of advice and the general flow of we are all in the same boat.

[kite-uk]

went out again this afternoon.. ditched the kite to pratice..

 

wind died oh well

 

 

best laid plans and all that.. will try again.

 

I did how ever have a play on the land and wow it does float, when you jump.... a lad down the beach who is very good on a kite had a play and he was leaping huge jumps

Edited August 12, 2013 by kite-uk

[heres jonny]

Yeah luckily he was able to stand, so had plenty of leverage to just pull one rear

 

If in deep water, position board on front of you to act as a water brake of sorts, then you can try pulling one rear and then the other, make the kite sort of wiggle and rock then it should flip .. Otherwise pull both rears and the kite should reverse off the water and then release one line and it'll spin round and fly .. Simples

[charlie1597507920]

You shouldn't need to buy another bar it wont make much difference, i fly an ion 4 14.5 on a slingshot bar and it goes up in no time in no wind, not sure why the force would be so hard

[kite-uk]

I will try again but when i say there was NO wind there really was NO wind. It just dropped, it did this last year in the evenings but this was only 5.40pm not late. Then the fog came in..

[kite-uk]

Yeah luckily he was able to stand, so had plenty of leverage to just pull one rear

 

If in deep water, position board on front of you to act as a water brake of sorts, then you can try pulling one rear and then the other, make the kite sort of wiggle and rock then it should flip .. Otherwise pull both rears and the kite should reverse off the water and then release one line and it'll spin round and fly .. Simples

 

yeap all stuff i tried.. I will try again next week, can't do anything now till well 10 days time so much on and and op to deal with..

 

I will update when i try again but as things stand it's a pain in the ass to relauch on the water. But I have had extream curcumstances so far.. eg too much wind and then too dam little :-(

[endorphin]

Flexifoil SLE Kites are far more direct than other SLE Kites and some people on internet forums always complain about the relaunch of the Flexi kites.

 

But if you have no clue about what you're doing, every kite is relatively hard to relaunch.

There are so many possibilities to relaunch a 4 line kite that won't flip over by just pulling in a back-line...

 

You can relaunch your Flexi Force or Hadlow ID out of the water easily in lowwind even when the wind is too less to keep the kite flying properly.

 

1. One option is to sheet in one backline and the frontline from the opposite side, and the kite auto relauches, even if the wind is too low to keep it flying properly.

That's how i do it on my 12m ID, when i'm out with my skimboard in light winds.

 

2. just unhook and let it go onto a suicide leash. This makes it easy to get on its back and then relaunch is just like you would do with a 5th line kite.

This option takes a bit of getting used to it.

 

Relaunching a kite depends on the ability of the person using the kite and not on the ability of the kite these days!

I prefer a kite that has great quality and direct flying characteristics over an "auto-relaunch-pull-one-line-kite", each non-kiting granny can restart, which has shitty flying characteristics!

[kite-uk]

I'm not complaining about it for one.

 

I stated very early on it's more me than the kite.

 

As always a forum thread as it goes on get lost from the orginal post.

 

I have since been out and ditched the kite a number of times and relauched it. it is harder than my other kites yes. But as you have stated this kite is a step away from those granny kites you mention.

 

I wish I hadn't posted it now. It was only to show peeps. I was not able to stand up and If people watch properly they will see at least 3 times I was so close to getting a relauch it was only because I was not able to stand to be able to get that last bit off the water. I am guessing water on the kite holding it down it just needed that bit more air to get me off the water..

[Andy-j]

Relaunching a kite depends on the ability of the person using the kite and not on the ability of the kite these days!

I prefer a kite that has great quality and direct flying characteristics over an "auto-relaunch-pull-one-line-kite", each non-kiting granny can restart, which has shitty flying characteristics!

 

You get kites with great quality, direct flying characteristics with a pull one line relaunch.. Vegas, Fuel, Hifi Comp, C4 to name a few that I have seen in action..

 

Why settle for a kite with shitty relaunch?

[juiced11]

add mutiny p series to that list , ridiculously easy to relaunch for a performance kite

[peet]

You get kites with great quality, direct flying characteristics with a pull one line relaunch.. Vegas, Fuel, Hifi Comp, C4 to name a few that I have seen in action..

 

Why settle for a kite with shitty relaunch?

 

IMHO None of those kites you mention are perfect... And not particularly suitable for the OP either

[Andy-j]

I dont think there will ever be a perfect kite but a kite in the air is much more perfect than a kite in the water.

[endorphin]

You get kites with great quality, direct flying characteristics with a pull one line relaunch.. Vegas, Fuel, Hifi Comp, C4 to name a few that I have seen in action..

 

Why settle for a kite with shitty relaunch?

 

Vegas 2013 is more or less a delta-c-shape, so easier to relaunch!

As a kite-designer you can make a kite with perfect dircet flying characteristics that relaunches like a pain in the ass. On the other hand you can also make a delta-bow-kite that relaunches nearly automatically with less direct flying characteristics. Something in between these two are all kites on the market. You can't avoid this trade-off! If you were ever out on the water flying some proto-types you know what i mean.

The advertised-to-death kites tells you that these kites relaunch by pulling in one line only.

But in really light wind you always need to pull in two lines on nearly all kites, trust me i'm working as a kite-teacher. In the end it's cheap advertising talk, many people blinded by advertising believe in that.

That's why theses days even a North Vegas has a delta-sweep, which brings easy relaunch even on a c-kite, but that has some consequences on the flying characteristics as well... but you won't hear or read in the magazines or other commercials about this one for shure ;-)

 

Flexifoil did not do really much advertising, and in the end the consumer gets more value for his money. If you buy an advertised-to-death kite you get less value for your money beacause the company has to pay for its marketing too! Think about it!

Edited April 25, 2013 by endorphin

[Andy-j]

Non delta c that relaunches 90% of the time with one line, even on snow. And its 3yr old technology.

 

 

Poor flexifoil. :-/

[paulie_amoose]

2013 Vegas heavy sweep can be seen here...

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9oRLtp7GBMQ/T_Ge9SW74mI/AAAAAAAABsk/AEz752eMHac/s1600/North_vegas_2013_2.jpeg

 

I have gotta say that my Vegas's really don't relaunch that well and you have to use the 5th quite alot, I would say it's weak point on them. Certainly compared to my girlfriends delta's which relaunch very easily off a rear line pull.

[Maro]

I nearly didn't recognise you in that pic without your signature kite pants Moose.

 

@ Endorphin, I would't describe a vegas as delta C shape.

[kite-uk]

i'm toying with getting the 13.5m now.. any one else using the 13.5?