All bargaining to be done within the thread.

[lunaloco]

Edit by rasga, this is a discussion thread, not a statement that we will be changing the way this area works

 

In the for sale section, I see a lot of threads where people ask to PM info, prices, bids, photos, etc or even people who just post a reply and ask the seller to send everything to his e-mail address.

 

On another forum (non kite) where I'm on, all bargaining and sharing of info HAS to be done within the thread. So people can post their bids, ask for info, etc. within the thread, so that everyone else sees what's going on. The buyer and seller are only allowed to take it to PM when they come to a deal and decide to conclude the sale.

 

I was wondering what people on Kitecrowd think about this? I think it would make for a more interesting and comprehensive for sale/wanted section and you would see at what price a seller doesn't want to sell e.g. so you don't have to send another PM for no reason.

 

Pick yes or no in the poll and write your comments below.

Edited September 27, 2010 by rasga

[Bigbud]

Not sure if all bargaining should be done in the thread to be honest but I do think that everything advertised should have a price.

 

One of the forums I'm on you have to :-

 

post a picture of it

State a price

State your rough location

 

Anything not conforming with the above gets deleted quickly !

 

If people ask for offers by PM they are basically running a closed bid auction, if thats the case they should use ebay

[curium]

In the for sale section, I see a lot of threads where people ask to PM info, prices, bids, photos, etc or even people who just post a reply and ask the seller to send everything to his e-mail address.

 

On another forum (non kite) where I'm on, all bargaining and sharing of info HAS to be done within the thread. So people can post their bids, ask for info, etc. within the thread, so that everyone else sees what's going on. The buyer and seller are only allowed to take it to PM when they come to a deal and decide to conclude the sale.

 

I was wondering what people on Kitecrowd think about this? I think it would make for a more interesting and comprehensive for sale/wanted section and you would see at what price a seller doesn't want to sell e.g. so you don't have to send another PM for no reason.

 

Pick yes or no in the poll and write your comments below.

 

I would just like to point out the irony of you having a sig asking people to PM their offers on the 16m kite you have for sale as opposed to a link to a relevant thread with all the trading within

[smackay116]

Pics are hard for some people

[Bigbud]

I would just like to point out the irony of you having a sig asking people to PM their offers on the 16m kite you have for sale as opposed to a link to a relevant thread with all the trading within

 

Coffee meet keyboard

[heres jonny]

having pictures and price is a definate good idea...

 

telling peple to PM you an email and youll send photos is just ridiculous...just put them in the thread unless you cant actually take photos...in which case good luck selling something...

 

having fixed price is good too, everyone ha a price in their head they would be happy with to sell their kites for, so just put this in your thread...

 

talkphotography.com is probably the foru youre on about Lunaloco..my brother (Cyprino) raves about the selling system on there, much better system, only moves to PM to exchange personal details..

 

 

works well, no one gets pissed off with lack of pictures or whatever

[lunaloco]

I would just like to point out the irony of you having a sig asking people to PM their offers on the 16m kite you have for sale as opposed to a link to a relevant thread with all the trading within

 

There isn't such a thread in which I'm trying to sell the kite so no need for a link. I was talking about the posted threads in the for sale section. But thanks for noticing ... you want to make an offer? I'll create a thread for it, just for you ;-)

 

talkphotography.com is probably the foru youre on about Lunaloco..

 

yep

[Batz]

Price and location are a must. Without them it ought to go.

Pictures can be hard to do for some.

 

Like the catch about the sig.

[rasga]

Unenforceable. [i know I don't have the time, unlikely for the other helpers too, this is the busiest section]

[lunaloco]

Unenforceable. [i know I don't have the time, unlikely for the other helpers too, this is the busiest section]

 

I know ... but it's all down to the integrity of the forum users. It seems to be working quite well on talkphotography and the for sale section is a lot more straight forward because it doesn't take numerous PMs to be answered if all bids would be in the thread. It was just a question though. :c)

[Cyprino]

I actually suggested this in a thread recently, using talkphotography.co.uk as my comparison.

 

Neil - I'll happily help to enforce the rules because I've got experience trading on a forum with those rules

 

This site's For Sale section does need an overhaul! I'll dig out my previous post if I can find it.

[Cyprino]

Here we go: Clicky me

[danthedmrrider]

i think that every "for sale" thread should have pics and a price, just to avoid having to ask all the time!!! i dont beleive it should all be done through the thread, i barely ever post on "for sale" threads as if i was wanting to buy something i dont want to be posting on it and pushing it back on to page one for everyone to see, i prefer to leave it to drift down off page one then two etc etc so not so many people see it, i know its abit strainge but it helps to get it abit cheaper if there isnt loads of interest (and if the seller chooses to bump it up its there choice) . also people that post on threads just saying things like "i think thats abit expencive" should be shot!! sorry i mean shouldnt be allowed or have that post deleted, YOU SHOULD ONLY POST IF YOU WANT TO BUY IT!!.

[Batz]

I don't agree Dan. Sometimes a price nudge helps the seller and often saves a newbie buyer being ripped off.

[Shaded]

I would just like to point out the irony of you having a sig asking people to PM their offers on the 16m kite you have for sale as opposed to a link to a relevant thread with all the trading within

 

Brilliant - now I have to tell my work colleagues why I ended a call with my client due to laughter

[CWB]

i think photos for definate & a price, if the item isnt moving the seller can drop the price if he\she wants. if it makes the system simpler why not.

[Badger]

If you are desperate for some cash and have limited time scales, you should at least be able to "drop your pants" as it were in private, so that subsequent buyers won't always expect the same kind of deal that you made once.

 

Should traders also discuss discounted rates for frequent buyers and team riders in public? I'm not sure that would work.

 

I agree with having a price up front though wherever possible, although often it is hard to set a price if you don't know the market value, hence 'offers' avoids you setting an embarrassingly high price.

 

Offers within threads can also get hijacked where another seller tries to nudge in - Like, Seller says "Samurai for sale £100", then buyer says "I'll give you £80", then some other seller says "You can have my Buster for £70", or a totally uninvolved lurker says "I wouldn't even give you £60 for a Samurai, they are crap anyway"! Class.

 

Steve.

[toska]

Price, Piccys (if item is new or literally "as New" then a stock image of correct colours would be fine) and Location, would be great. Leave bartering via PM's though.

[Nocando]

As a member of other international kite forums, I have found that their for sale sections are very well organised,

 

A price is mentioned, good description, pics and wether they ship internationally.

 

Less hassles

[barrybarryr]

If you look on a forum called AVForums that is the best organised for sale section I've come across on a forum. Everything has to be done in thread.

[Vic_Serotonin]

I think Badger's scenario is exactly what will happen. Surely it's up to the buyer or seller to decide how they want to trade... what interest is it to anyone else? Who wants to read ten posts of back and forward as people reach the inevitable price in the middle (as happens over PM)? And if the answer is people wouldn't read it then what would the point of having it forced into public anyhow?

 

As for price and pictures, in an ideal world, yes. But what about when, as somebody stated above, the seller honestly doen't know the market value so could go too high and look stupid, or too low and get bent over? And pics can be a pain... but perhaps we should try and make that effort. It's just that if you want to get an ad up quickly, having to post pics at the same time could be a bind.

 

I know my post count is low so probably don't have a say, but the for sale section is fine as it is, especially with the added feedback system. Business is business and a lot of people like to keep it to themselves, so pushing it all out into the open may take the edge of a thriving for sale section.

 

Just my opinion as a semi-regular user of the for sale section and not posted to provoke anyone

[lunaloco]

The point of making the actual price/condition/shipping/etc. discussion public is that the seller won't have to answer the same questions over and over and that the people who are interested can probably find the answer to their question easier because it might have been answered already.

 

Also, on talkphotography for instance, the asking price or bidding price should include shipping, so no problems afterwards with people asking for ridiculous shipping fees or refusing to send it to a certain location, or ...

 

I mean if a seller decides to refuse a certain bid in the thread because it's too low, the other people who are interested in buying will know they don't have to try bidding at that price or an even lower price. This seems to work on other forums, that's why I was asking what you guys think about it.

[sgillow]

I agree that every post should have a price, if you are unsure what an item is worth stick it on ebay and get the fair market price for it, if you have an idea what you want for it then post it on here, simples!

I also agree about the picture as it does help, afterall not everyones idea of a 'mint flexifoil rage' is the same.

Location is useful but not essential if the buyer is offering postage.

I think negotiations should happen in private.

 

Simon

[ianscott9]

I disagree,

If I'm looking to sell a kite for say £300, as soon as I write £300, someone is going to offer £270, so I have to write £340 then I expect I'm going to get the price knocked down - is there really any point in listing it in the first place when both the buyer and the seller know its a bullsh#t price???

 

Plus, if some 15 yr old who's a bit skint but wants it more than anything but really really cant afford it, if he PM's me & says he can only afford £290, I might just let it go for that as a one off, but if some rich dude with a quiver of kites listed as long as my penis (over 10 inches incase you were wondering ) asks the same, I might tell him to fook off. So a little bit of message sending is fine by me.

 

Also as for photo's, I aren't a computer geek who can add photo's and stuff to this site, but I can take a snap with my phone and send to an email address no problem.

 

If you want photo's listed & prices added, why not just use Ebay ?????

 

Plus if I write offers, and get four PM offers for say:

1) £280

2) £295

3) £220

4) £320

 

If offer number 4 is happy to pay £320, what do you expect me to say? "sorry I was only expecting £300, so heres £20 back"

 

If number 4 isn't happy paying £320 he wouldn't offer it.

Edited September 25, 2010 by ianscott9

[Mad-Fly]

What about that old saying ( IF IT ISINT BROKEN DONT FIX IT) I think the only real problem is the loading of pics as not every seller has got the skills to do it.

If kite crowd could make it easier to do so that would be a good thing.

Edited September 26, 2010 by Mad-Fly