avspider Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Ok, so both Sarah and I are racing in the up coming season. So I thought I'd weigh the buggy just to confirm I can add the aloud weight. I was thinking it was about 35kgs. But I was shocked at the 44.2 it is. With the limit of 60 (Inc weights) how many are getting close to the limits? As isn't there a lot of difference when changing from discs to bigfoots? I'm yet to weigh sarah's buggy but I know it's heavier than mine!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne1599968726 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Mine weighed in at about 40kg at last year's euros (2008) I think only one of our team was close to the limit at 58kg or something, that was boater (correct me if I'm wrong?). Can't remember what wheels he had on. Basically, build it up in it's heaviest configuration (weigh a bigfoot vs a disk wheel if you're not sure) and leave a couple of kilos for wet sand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous bob Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 The rules if I remember correctly state that the buggy and any additional weight cannot weigh more than 60kg the additional weight (add on can not exceed 5kg) No additional weight can be added to the pilot. I'm sure the above was meant to be with full big foots on? But can't quite remember I'm sure some one else will clarify it. cue Mr Boater ! My T2 is sitting at 56kg with Full big foots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I still find it odd that you are allowed as much more weight as you like so long as it is inside you The limit should be a total weight for rider plus buggy :D Seriously though, why is added weight considered different to buggy weight? If I asked the manufacturer to make me a back axle that weighed twice as much as my current one, and some extra heavy front forks (and I don't mean filled with lead), would that be OK so long as the weight was not separate? If so I don't see the point, it may as well be just total weight less than 60kg. Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flyin Scotsman Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I still find it odd that you are allowed as much more weight as you like so long as it is inside you The limit should be a total weight for rider plus buggy :D Seriously though, why is added weight considered different to buggy weight? If I asked the manufacturer to make me a back axle that weighed twice as much as my current one, and some extra heavy front forks (and I don't mean filled with lead), would that be OK so long as the weight was not separate? If so I don't see the point, it may as well be just total weight less than 60kg. Steve. Well essentially the added weight was previously 20kg max, but because discussions on maximum weight were ongoing, and to try and reduce weights a bit initially until a decision could be made, the added weight limit was dropped to 5kg... Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous bob Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 The added weight is considered necessary to Balance your buggy, TBH if you play about with your seat you shouls be able to get the balance almost right. Having said that I have two weights each about 1.5kg on the front fork of my buggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis1404 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 well the only reason for that steve (that i can see) is you have now committed to having a heavy buggy and will have to use it in low wind conditions which isnt advantageous to you. However if you had a light buggy and could put 20kg extra on it when its windy it would (probably) be as good as a 54kg T3 with 5kg's of extra weight but would be able to shed 20kg if the wind dropped so leaving you net 15kg lighter than a same weight T3 pilot. Thats not what i believe the KBA had in mind though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well essentially the added weight was previously 20kg max, but because discussions on maximum weight were ongoing, and to try and reduce weights a bit initially until a decision could be made, the added weight limit was dropped to 5kg... KevGiving pie eaters an immediate advantage Surely the goal was to limit the maximum weight to 60kg, not to stop those with 30kg buggies from adding 20kg to have a total of 50kg and being in the same ball park as the heavier buggies? Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 well the only reason for that steve (that i can see) is you have now committed to having a heavy buggy and will have to use it in low wind conditions which isnt advantageous to you. However if you had a light buggy and could put 20kg extra on it when its windy it would (probably) be as good as a 54kg T3 with 5kg's of extra weight but would be able to shed 20kg if the wind dropped so leaving you net 15kg lighter than a same weight T3 pilot. Thats not what i believe the KBA had in mind though...Up to now I have only ridden in a Standard Flexi buggy . Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitebuggybagman Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 approx 55kg i'm in! Yipee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy55d Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 approx 55kg i'm in! Yipee Is that with or without sand:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitebuggybagman Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 if i use my "secret" weapon it takes it to 85kg (holds a bloddy good line too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windjammer1599968715 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 my buggy weighs 55kg but then when i sit in it i add another 20 stone lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avspider Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Is that with or without sand:rolleyes: THats extra in the special bag lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flydad Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Surely the goal was to limit the maximum weight to 60kg, not to stop those with 30kg buggies from adding 20kg to have a total of 50kg and being in the same ball park as the heavier buggies? Steve. That's about the nearest reason Badger, it stems mainly from the continentals where the youngsters were creating mamoth buggies to be able to hang on to ever increasing amounts of power, far exceeding there physical ability. So the reduction from 20kg to 5kg was the first stage, it then evolved (generally by taking the weights of all the current manufactured buggies at the time) to restrict the maximum overall weight for any buggy to 60kg. The ultimate aim is to start reducing the maximum weight but will happen over a period of years rather than imminently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteair1599968645 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I still find it odd that you are allowed as much more weight as you like so long as it is inside you The limit should be a total weight for rider plus buggy :D Seriously though, why is added weight considered different to buggy weight? If I asked the manufacturer to make me a back axle that weighed twice as much as my current one, and some extra heavy front forks (and I don't mean filled with lead), would that be OK so long as the weight was not separate? If so I don't see the point, it may as well be just total weight less than 60kg. Steve. Your right the rule is not quite there yet! i think a downside to allowing unlimited ballast is that the heavy riders could have a reallly expensive carbon buggy that weighs like only 20kilos but is ballsted up to 60kg. On the light wind days they remove the ballast and are not at much of a disadvantage compared to the lighter dudes, (On windy days they always have an advantage) The problem with having an all up weight is that the spread of rider weights is massive. The bigggest guys are like 150kgs so add buggy weight of 50kg and all up max would be 200kgs. A kid or runt could be only 50kg so could be allowed a buggy weight of 150kgs! That isn't going to be safe. Whole point of weight rule was to reduce accident from loftings and rolls. Could limit buggy weight according to rider weight but that further advantage the heavy guys. Or could have different weight classes for riders but prob not really the number of riders partaking to make that desirable. I don't think a good solution is really available at mo. Don't think it a bad thing buggy weight is coming down a bit though. Make it easier to transport buggy and pull off beach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIn Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Your right the rule is not quite there yet! i think a downside to allowing unlimited ballast is that the heavy riders could have a reallly expensive carbon buggy that weighs like only 20kilos but is ballsted up to 60kg. On the light wind days they remove the ballast and are not at much of a disadvantage compared to the lighter dudes, (On windy days they always have an advantage) The problem with having an all up weight is that the spread of rider weights is massive. The bigggest guys are like 150kgs so add buggy weight of 50kg and all up max would be 200kgs. A kid or runt could be only 50kg so could be allowed a buggy weight of 150kgs! That isn't going to be safe. Whole point of weight rule was to reduce accident from loftings and rolls. Could limit buggy weight according to rider weight but that further advantage the heavy guys. Or could have different weight classes for riders but prob not really the number of riders partaking to make that desirable. I don't think a good solution is really available at mo. Don't think it a bad thing buggy weight is coming down a bit though. Make it easier to transport buggy and pull off beach! Ban the use of harnesses, that would reduce the weight of buggys & the pilots:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flydad Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Ban the use of harnesses, that would reduce the weight of buggys & the pilots:D:D technically its more likely to just reduce the size of kite being flown, funnily enough, most of the pilots that I've seen racing without a harness are the skinny lightweights to start with and generally still in a big buggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyinchef Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 technically its more likely to just reduce the size of kite being flown, funnily enough, most of the pilots that I've seen racing without a harness are the skinny lightweights to start with and generally still in a big buggy I resemble that remark, having just got a heavier(not heavy) bug;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy55d Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 They could look at weight classes, as in Skinny, Medium, FB and FFB for pilots with a max weight buggy 0f 60kg. Therefore you race in your own class and cant winge that FFB has only won because he/she can hold more kite in stronger winds. Failing that have short technical courses and its how good you can fly your kite, than how fast you can go in a straight line. However not so technical that you need a sat nav to find your way around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiteboyza Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 that would be three of us in the FFB class Buggybags(cheater)man, me and you....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitebuggybagman Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 look guys It was blowing that day, i filled my bag up with sand to stop my tent blowing away, accidentally forgot that the sand was in the bag when the forklift was lowering it onto the buggy. Its easily done. that would be three of us in the FFB class Buggybags(cheater)man, me and you....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 That's about the nearest reason Badger, it stems mainly from the continentals where the youngsters were creating mamoth buggies to be able to hang on to ever increasing amounts of power, far exceeding there physical ability. So the reduction from 20kg to 5kg was the first stage, it then evolved (generally by taking the weights of all the current manufactured buggies at the time) to restrict the maximum overall weight for any buggy to 60kg. The ultimate aim is to start reducing the maximum weight but will happen over a period of years rather than imminently.If there is an ultimate goal to reduce buggy weights over the years, does this mean that we will shortly reach a stage where most buggies that are racing in the 50kg to 60kg bracket now will no longer be eligible to race? Does anyone know the target? What impact is this likely to make on the second hand value of buggies? If the goal was really to reduce overall weight, surely it would be better to allow people to design buggies that can be both competitive now (55-60kg) and still eligible later. That would require the amount of permitted added weight to be at least equal to the difference between the current upper limit and the new lower limit. For example, if a target upper limit of 45kg was chosen, you need to have buggies designed today that can be adjusted to be anywhere between say 40kg and 60kg, so a removable weight limit of 20kg. Setting the removable weight limit to 5kg from 60kg constrains designers to making buggies that will be pretty much guaranteed unusable if the limit changes. Has the useful lifetime of a buggy been considered in setting the removable weight limit? Finally please explain how this limit combats the goal of preventing: youngsters creating mamoth buggies to be able to hang on to ever increasing amounts of power, far exceeding there physical ability.Doesn't it just mean that they need to seek a buggy that weighs close to the 60kg limit without modification or added weights rather than just adding weight to a lighter buggy? The first option is still available so what has this achieved? Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukspeedtraps Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Looks like leading link will not be racing this year, just weighed my bug and I think it’s about 61.5 kg give or take a bit, hard to tell as I don’t have scales that are good enough and the local scrappy scales are only good for + -1kg so it may be in weight. One for Trickbitz here..... Whats the weight of standard cadkats and eurotrax from your gaff... I am sure you said the ones I have, cadkats and pre-grooved eurotrax are much heavier, and that may make the difference for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis1404 Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Standard cadkats are 6.5kg minus abit as you remove quite a bit of rubber when grooved Pre grooved cadkats are 7.2kg so they could bring it under 60kg, but then you have the issue of sand and wet seats etc which can easily put it over 60kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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