Ozone Method

[BGKD]

JD you would love to separate the Kite vs store argument, because that would once again conceal your motivation.... remember that whilst you may launch unjustified attacks on my credibility, you have infact sold yours, consequently, if Kitepower started selling vacuum packed dog turds, you would be expected to come on this forum and say how they are the best!

[jdhot]

Credibility I think I have

I stated that John's comments were credible, for comments on a Method he has flown

you are the one that has turned it into something that wasn't intended, an a attack on you and value of kites, value for $'s isn't everything.

I don't believe without going back through 11 pages and years of comments that I have said 1 thing about a kite I don't believe. I have alway's made a point to myself not to write anything about a kite I don't think is truth from what I've experienced.

I have read all my comments since posting John's credibility and not once have I personally attacked you, if you think slander and derogatory comments against me will get me to bite then your wasting your time ... best of luck.

JD

PS, if it was water heaters filled of turd, sure that's my line of business and you'd be my first customer

[BGKD]

Now your trying to hide behind innuendo, what you said and what you implied are clear to anyone reading this, at least have the balls to stand up for what you say and everything that it implies.... or at the very least have the manners to aplogise!

Please highlight any evidence of slander, I'm fairly sure that Ive stuck to established facts in this thread.

[jdhot]

Better still Brian show me where I said it against you .... it's your interpretation and play on words.

As for slander - re your previous comments

Your credibility is now possibly at question, and maybe you need to grow the balls and apologise

[BGKD]

Better still Brian show me where I said it against you .... it's your interpretation and play on words.

As for slander - re your previous comments

Your credibility is now possibly at question, and maybe you need to grow the balls and apologise

Good grief, Ive had more intelligent arguments on a school playground, Im happy with what Ive written here, and since Ive got no privileged position to protect I really don't care. On the other hand I and indeed others have demonstrated that you have a pathetically weak argument which is clearly biased and littered with misinformation and innuendo, and since Im not the one trying to promote anything, then I really don't care!, Ive exposed you and your bias for what it is and frankly thats enough, anyone reading this thread can now see that.

In future, I strongly suggest that you ALWAYS make all your interests perfectly clear, otherwise I will continue to expose your motives.

[jdhot]

:rofl

On the other hand I and indeed others have demonstrated that you have a pathetically weak argument which is clearly biased and littered with misinformation and innuendo

Wow, I'm guilty of pimping the red shop, I'm guilty of bumping thread to keep in the top 4 for the front page of the forum.

THEN I'M GUILTY AS CHARGED

But I have never to my knowledge stated anything about a kite that I believe not to be true and that's creditable,

nor do I stoop to slanderous, derogatory comments.

If you wish to follow my posts be my guest and expose me for pimping

JD

PS There was 1 thread where I used inappropriate comments, it was allowed for a night and then removed (FF)

[.Joel]

That's right JD, derail a thread by trying to make it a shop vs shop debate to deflect your inability to hold a discussion. When that fails then whack on a bit of innuendo that is clear as day for everyone reading. When that gets debunked come in and point the finger at everyone else calling them a racist, and when that gets debunked go further and make this topic all about you whilst lieing through your back teeth about not having an opportunity to fly the kites. When you get caught out come up with some pissweak excuse. When that fails stand up, and as loud as you can, self-profess to have credibility and demand an apology.

If seinfeld was still running they should make a skit from that.

Every new reply you make to this topic you have the opportunity to make it about the Method, however you continue to make it about yourself

[jdhot]

Hold on Joel,

My comment of credibility was directed at John, regardless of how anyone wants to twist it.

I didn't start the value for money comment, and my first comment in response to that was if your not happy try the internet.

Racist - already corrected to prejudice which exists against the red shop and an individual, if you say it doesn't then you in denial or just don't wish to admit it.

Lying through my teeth ... matter of opinion, should I fly a kite if I'm not confident and get hammered to prove I'm an idiotic hero if you call lack of confidence a piss weak excuse then so be it, but I enjoyed the weekend and didn't get hurt.

Again I have never provided information about a kite that I believe not to be true and I suggested an apology on the same grounds.

It's about me, check page 9 where I said the thread was about the Method kite and I was replied to - more bullshit

[JKS]

[jdhot]

Your a card Marty

where the hell do you find these things

[BGKD]

I didn't start the value for money comment, and my first comment in response to that was if your not happy try the internet.

.....and I agreed with you on this point wholeheartedly, as I demonstrated Ozone Kites are a lot cheaper if you buy them overseas, wheres the problem?

Hell after a little more research Ive found places where you can save AU$150 per kite, thats gotta be a good deal!

....I still wouldn't buy one, its a lot to pay for a kite thats apparently is lacking in power.

[jdhot]

wheres the problem?

There isn't a problem, consumers have the freedom of choice

That whole comment was in response to another.

Your point is? .... you found a better deal then great.

Apparent lack of power is again speculation on the what, the fact that people overtook John H

[.Joel]

Hold on Joel,

I'm holding on, firm to the edge of my seat for this rollar coaster ride of JD's hot soup bullshit.

My comment of credibility was directed at John, regardless of how anyone wants to twist it.

Nobody is twisting anything, you threw in there innuendo which you're quite good at and and have been caught pants down and called out on it.

So your comment of credibility towards John had no innuendo towards Brian, yet 5 posts later you furthered it directly towards Brian.

Racist - already corrected to prejudice which exists against the red shop and an individual, if you say it doesn't then you in denial or just don't wish to admit it.

Once again, absolute bullshit and you try and defend the indefensible with a "poor me" syndrome. It's called consequences for your actions, something Gaddafi isn't quite used to, nobody is in denial that this is a better place without him, his situation is self-created, but keep banging on that it's everyone else fault. It's quite hilarious, because that's the exact reason history keeps repeating itself. You're looking a bit like the revolutionary guard at the moment, better self-profess a bit more of that "Credibility" you had going earlier, 4 posts before you self-professed yourself as a pimp again.

You can only go around doing ill-deeds, being dishonest then trying to railroad people for so long before it catches up with you. If you want to call that "prejudice" be my guest, the rest of the world is setting up a no-fly zone over libya.

So which is it, pimp or credibility? Seems not even you can decide Those cookies certainly are working your head over....

Lying through my teeth ... matter of opinion, should I fly a kite if I'm not confident and get hammered to prove I'm an idiotic hero if you call lack of confidence a piss weak excuse then so be it, but I enjoyed the weekend and didn't get hurt.

Not opinion, FACT. You seem to try and twist your lies about.

So you weren't confident enough to fly a 4m kite yourself, yet you happily encouraged and put BobM out on it for a demo? Welldone champ

Again I have never provided information about a kite that I believe not to be true

People in cults suffer the same, they're all convinced what they believe to be true.

Regards,

.Joel

[BGKD]

There isn't a problem, consumers have the freedom of choice

That whole comment was in response to another.

Actually I never understood it the first time round, Given that you are sponsored to promote a particular kite shop then highlighting how expensive that shop is in comparison to everyone else sounded pretty silly..... I'm sure that if your sponsor was reading this then he would be particularly unhappy that you repeatedly are making such reccomendations, are you sure your the right person for this job?.... is Alan sure?

[.Joel]

Apparent lack of power is again speculation on the what, the fact that people overtook John H

Um, I think you really should give the keyboard a rest, you contradict yourself enough within 5 posts of eachother, let alone two pages.

For your reference, page 9, second post on the page, 2 posts before the revolutionary guard jumped in on that page: viewtopic.php?p=121044#p121044

I find my 2.8m Century explosive with way more power than the Method

What were you saying about speculation? Oh that's right, it was 2 pages ago, slam another cookie in.... costanza.

[.Joel]

I don't see a problem with pimping, it's a form of advertising

Once again JD your post has been a pimp for a non-shop sponsor and has been removed. It is in your PM box if you wish to modify and resubmit.

Thank you for clarifying why you post.

[jdhot]

My comment of credibility was directed at John, regardless of how anyone wants to twist it.

Interpret it how you how you like, that's the trouble with forums - all comments can be interpreted differently by different people.

Racist - already corrected to prejudice which exists against the red shop and an individual, if you say it doesn't then you in denial or just don't wish to admit it.

Once again, absolute bullshit and you try and defend the indefensible with a "poor me" syndrome.

where's the poor me suggestion, then say it straight out there's no prejudice towards "The Red Shop" and Steve, because that maybe lying through your teeth

You can only go around doing ill-deeds, being dishonest then trying to railroad people for so long before it catches up with you.

Dishonest, really please point it out, I've never been accused of been dishonest before.

So which is it, pimp or credibility?

Pimp - quite happy to help a business that supports me and my area (NSW) Mayday, Kitetober to name 2

Credibility- Again have never said anything that's not true about my feelings and impressions of a kite

People in cults suffer the same, they're all convinced what they believe to be true

Much could be said about the prejudice that is denied here

So you weren't confident enough to fly a 4m kite yourself, yet you happily encouraged and put BobM out on it for a demo?

[.Joel]

Interpret it how you how you like, that's the trouble with forums - all comments can be interpreted differently by different people.

Look at you go with the lies, still! READ HERE, viewtopic.php?p=121238#p121238

where's the poor me suggestion, then say it straight out there's no prejudice towards "The Red Shop" and Steve, because that maybe lying through your teeth

Your ignorance around the issue is not only blinding, but funny as hell, look at you go! First lets explore the word "Prejudice." I do expect this to be over your head, as you're already contradicting yourself within 5 posts of eachother, however please try to keep up

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice

A prejudice is a prejudgment, an assumption made about someone or something before having adequate knowledge to be able to do so with guaranteed accuracy. The word prejudice is most commonly used to refer to a preconceived judgment toward a people or a person because of race, social class, gender, ethnicity, homelessness, age, disability, obesity, religion, sexual orientation or other personal characteristics. It also means beliefs without knowledge of the facts[1] and may include "any unreasonable attitude that is unusually resistant to rational influence."[2]

Now lets break that down little further to the crux of the definition...

The word prejudice is most commonly used to refer to a preconceived judgment toward a people or a person because of

You see what Prejudice is, it's preconceived. To preconceive something would mean you are forming your opinion based on no experience. Now how many of these people you are claiming to be "prejudice" really are by definition?

We could actually work that out if you wanted too, just start a thread in General Discussion called "Why are you Prejudice to the Red Shop." Then people could share their own personal dealings and experiences, and based on those experiences you could quite easily work out those who are really prejudice, as they would have no story to share and no personal experience. The rest however, are not prejudice by any measure nor margin if their stories and experiences are valid. So again, you are peddling bullshit when you claim there is great "prejudice."

The most entertaining part of your little ill-informed post, is the fact that you make posts about "prejudice" to the wider community here as if it's something they should be ashamed of. When in actual fact the only person who should be ashamed of their actions is the one feeling they have "prejudice" against them in this case. They are the sole cause, creator, and at the moment nurturer of prejudice through their actions, and it is their own fault, not the fault of everyone else. Until the ostrich raises its head from the sand guess what, history will continue to repeat. This so call "prejudice" is self-created, therefor even though your claim of "prejudice" towards this business/individual is bullshit by definition, as the situation of "prejudice" is self-created, it is therefor not a defense and nobody in the wider community here should be ashamed of their opinion based on their own personal experience. Shame on you for trying to pull that one over them, and once again, making the actions of Gaddafi somehow the fault of everyone else. Go start that topic, and lets see who is really "Prejudice" now that you understand the definition.

Dishonest, really please point it out, I've never been accused of been dishonest before.

My apologies, I meant Gaddafi, not you personally for ill-deeds. However dishonesty we established before, when you claimed you didn't have ideal conditions yet to test the kite and your excuse was pissweak yet you labelled everyone else a racist. Once second you're a jedi and can tell everyone else based on what they type on a forum what's wrong with their kiting skills, next second you have regressed so far you need to be put on a trainer kite because you can't even pickup and fly a 4m beginner level fixed bridle. Yet you put BobM on it, and you put Biggy on it who has far less experience than yourself. As I said earlier, what a champ, value your own safety, screw others eh?

You were quite happy to fly a 3.5m?

I'm not the one running around calling people racists for not picking up a kite, so I hardly see what relevance your comment has.

PS: If biggy could static fly the Combat, i'm pretty sure you could of handled a 4m beginner kite

Pimp - quite happy to help a business that supports me and my area (NSW) Mayday, Kitetober to name 2

Credibility- Again have never said anything that's not true about my feelings and impressions of a kite

Glad that you feel you want to help a business that supports you personally, it's pretty clear that you get kickbacks for your comments, you even admitted this yourself. Even clearer is your omission in to areas of kite improvement, you're always extremely quiet about this, so either you love every product 100%, or your omitting things that you believe will negatively impact your sponsor's sales, and therefor as stated by someone else earlier, sold your credibility.

Credibility isn't something you can profess to have, it's attained through respect. And the comments of others point to you saying one thing in this thread, and another in person. Your credibility with me went out the window when I kited with you and realised in person you were actually a nice bloke, honest about your opinions and exceedingly generous, then on the forum you just become a fist socket with a sock over your head and a set of glued-on eyeballs.

[lickedysplit_au]

Such a friendly place.

[jhn.holgate]

Observe this picture for a moment: Fantastic beach. Great scenery. Super comfy Vmax and a really nice kite. Take a deep breath, count to 10 and say ommmmmmmm

[jdhot]

Such a friendly place.

thanks mate

It's now the start of a new week, it's been fun

But I'll concede, I'm wrong on every point

I take cash for comments, yer right, but I'm honest

I'll can admit I pimp by dropping the odd shop name Wow, can any of you guys, who brag about getting great deals on kites from the other kites shop. But that's probably wrong too because you all just know how to bargain better.

There no "Cash for Comments" here

I'll adhere to your advertising policy

even though it's fine for others to mention a kite shop's name in a debate, but if I mention it, I'm pimping and the post is removed until I edit shop name out.

But I'm happy to have had a good debate, even though weak and pathetic on my side (thanks guys), for people who may be that interested to read this far into the thread.

So before things it get to personal this Jedi will concede to been wrong on all points, because I enjoy the company of everyone I've flown with over the years and wish to do so in the future.

I know there will be further comments, no probs .... but remember I concede and I'll be back on topic

Have fun guys and enjoy your week

JeDi

feeling the friendly force

[Clis]

Method from the UK then you can save up to $100, maybe even more if you find a shop that can sell it to you without charging VAT

btw heres the kiteshop I used for reference

https://www.powerkitecentre.com/kites/t ... cat_4.html

I have been looking online, local and abroad at kite prices, the best saving on a ozne method from overseas I could find is closer to $162 after exchange. I emailed the UK shops and they quoted a priced excluding VAT after I indicated I was from Australia. I did look at the bar kites as well and decided if I buy local it will be a hq apex and a small handle kite as this would come in to budget. If I buy a ozone frenzy this will be abroad as the saving before the reduction in VAT is over $500, if you include the VAT discount and add the cost of delivery it still works out approximately $700 cheaper to buy the ozone frenzy abroad, this would still possibly leave enough in my budget to still include a small handle kite. The US prices are advertised not including tax in some cases, so I found the UK shops more consistent with pricing.

[BGKD]

I have been looking online, local and abroad at kite prices, the best saving on a ozne method from overseas I could find is closer to $162 after exchange. I emailed the UK shops and they quoted a priced excluding VAT after I indicated I was from Australia. I did look at the bar kites as well and decided if I buy local it will be a hq apex and a small handle kite as this would come in to budget. If I buy a ozone frenzy this will be abroad as the saving before the reduction in VAT is over $500, if you include the VAT discount and add the cost of delivery it still works out approximately $700 cheaper to buy the ozone frenzy abroad, this would still possibly leave enough in my budget to still include a small handle kite. The US prices are advertised not including tax in some cases, so I found the UK shops more consistent with pricing.

sad but true, European prices generally do include 20% Vat, and as you have now found they can opt to not charge vat for export sales.

since living in Australia I have tried to avoid buying from abroad, but there are a few exceptions, and ozone kites definately fit that criteria.

maybe someone from ozone will read this and establish a means that their products are available here in Australia at sensible prices

[jhn.holgate]

Don't forget guys, you can always HAGGLE !! Sometimes it works.....sometimes it don't

[BGKD]

Don't forget guys, you can always HAGGLE !! Sometimes it works.....sometimes it don't

absolutely!!!

unfortunately haggling works in the UK as well