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Glad people find this useful. Those stakes are just so much better than the tent pegs I use with my firebee.
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Introduction After two years of kiting (with limited kites and success!) I finally spent some of my own money rather than waiting for presents and bought myself a 2.5m Beamer MkII. My other kites are a battered Stacker 6 and a very mud stained Firebee 4m. This purchase is designed for winds too strong for my 4m Firebee, and to give more of a thrill than the Stacker 6. I'm over 6ft tall and weigh about 13 ½ stone (on a good day) so I felt the 2.5m would be a better bet than a 1.8m. And lets face it – we all like bigger kites! Relying pretty much entirely on the shop rating system on this site I ordered my kite from Skymonster, the new section of Marionville Models. Cost wise it was about the same as everywhere else, but it was delivered super fast. Package Firstly the backpack. Compared to the Firebee backpack it's very substantial and a pleasure to look at. By now I'm sure everyone's heard of the big zip on the front. This is very much a marmite design so I wouldn't pass comment on it, except to say you know you have a HQ kite when you see the zip. There are two main sections to the bag (excluding the big zipper one) and two side sections. Inside there is plenty of room for a kite, handles and lines. The smaller pocket holds all your other bits nicely (in my case my phone, wallet and house keys). Moving on a really nice inclusion was a great big ground stake for securing the kite whilst setting up and resting. This is very substantial, with a big orange top so you can't lose it. It has a blunt end so no danger of impaling yourself on it and comes in a wallet of it's own. The lines that were supplied with the kite are white dynemma, with none colour coded ends, 20m in length. This seemed a little short and I'd have preferred 25m lines but this is only a minor point. They where all the same length though so a big thumbs up there. Now a lot of people from other reviews seem to dislike the handles. I think I have to agree here. They are thinner than flexi handles and the grips are kind of like a dense foam. What I find worst about them though is the distance from the power line to the top of the handle. This is shorter than flexi handles and the result is I don't feel like I have such a good grip on them. This is personal preference though. They certainly do the job. The kite killers are basic without bungee cord, but again they do the job. The manual supplied is fairly substantial and has a good section on the basics of buggy driving (not that I need this), but ultimately most of the manual went unread. But most importantly... The Kite The kite material is very crispy and light. It has a very nice 'russle' to it. Other than that I've not got much to say on the material – it's good. Around the air inlets on the leading edge are some reinforcements. These are fairly thin and not overly rigid. All the stitching looks good and the bridle line is a lot better than the line on my Firebee. It's thinner, although it's only attached with knots, rather than sown in. Overall though the quality is defiantly there, considering the cost of the kite compared to Ozone, or Flexifoil. Setting Up I was expecting setting up to be a breeze (no pun intended) although I choose a rather windy day to do it on which didn't help matters. First up I checked the line lengths. As previously stated they were perfect. Next up I attached the handles and then I got the kite out. The bridle was kept tidy but a little attachment at the centre of the trailing edge. This is a good feature, similar to that found on Flexi kites like the Blade. However for me I parapack so will not be using it. After that the left power line was tied up with the left brake line, and the same for the right. Untying these was fine, but then by mistake I unattached the whole brake line, thinking it was another unneeded knot. I only found out when I attached the lines and tried to lay the kite out. It was not pretty! A quick reattachment and I was ready to go again. On the brake line there are several knots for setting up the brakes. I started with minimum brake (although should have started with maximum brake) only to find that this was not enough. I soon managed to get the brake sorted though. To be honest though compared to my Firebee this took quite a bit of setting up. Flights My first flight was very brief. The winds were about 25mph and the kite was pulling just on the ground. I launched and the kite spiralled and then crashed back into the ground. After this I decided it was probably best to take the kite out in lower winds first. My next flight the winds were around 10 – 15 mph, but gusty. I felt this was about perfect to test the kite out. Previously I had parapacked and within 5 minutes I was set up. This time the kite behaved itself when I launched, and generated a surprising amount of power. In terms of speed it was a lot quicker in flight than my Firebee, although not surprisingly slower than my Stacker 6. It had a very solid feel to it, and flew exactly where I wanted it too. It needs a moderate amount of wind to fly (about 10mph) but then the power gets very strong by about 20mph. With a strong wind the handles felt like they might slip out of my hands, and I think these may get replaced with time. There even seemed the potential for a bit of lift at times. However I bought this kite specifically not to have lift, as I've heard small kites tend to generate 'sudden' lift which may be fine going up but not coming back down! There were no flights or scuds this time though, and after a little while the wind died down and I had to go home (having left the 4m at home). My last flight was with winds of at most 10 mph. Again the kite did fly but took some work keeping up. In the air the graphics look good, very vivid and bright, however the shape is a little square for my taste, but this is not that important. It's how it handles that is important. With my limited flights the kite seems very responsive, stable and capable of generating some good power. I'm still adjusting though as it is quite different to my Firebee (which I'm really used too now) so I have much to learn. One big plus was the lack of luffing that the Firebee can suffer from. A little niggle though is the brake line by the bridle. Because of the adjustable knots it hangs loss and looks unsightly. I've yet to work out how to rectify this issue. Conclusion There are few cheaper kites out there and this is a great package. The inclusion of a ground stake and kite killers makes this superb value. However I think I may still need a smaller kite for silly winds (I'm looking at the Flexifoil Sting for this), and I feel the handles are quite poor. Minor grips aside though and this is a very controllable kite that will hopefully provide me with years of pleasure. I suspect if I ever get round to boarding or bugging this will be a great little traction engine. All I need now is £240 for my 6.3m Crossfire, for those weak winds!
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Helpful comparison, and I would agree with the bridle not being too good on the firebee. Mine is on the way out. However I disagree with the firebee giving lift. I have a 4m and have flown it in some very strong winds. The horizontal pull is huge but I have had zero lift.
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Just a quick update to my review - since the purchase I've added power rings. From my limited experience the kite now seems to generate more power and uses far more of the wind window. Overall a winner! And it cost me less the a quid to set up!
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After one year toying around with a Stacker 6 I got bitten by the bug. I wanted something bigger and more powerful. Something which would pull me all over the shop, and later be able to go with a board. Now I know Firebees tend to get a bit of a slating but for me it was a no brainer. At £130 for a 4.0m kite with lines and handle it's over £200 cheaper than a Blade or similar. Having lots of student debt and a public sector job made my decision that bit easier. One week ago I got my hands on the Firebee. First impression the rucksack looks terrible and very cheaply made. But you don't buy a kite for the bag it comes in so this is not a problem. I'm old enough now not to care what people think of me anyway! Besides despite the look it does it's job, has plenty of room for the kite, lines, handles and anything else you care to put in it. Open the bag and you find one kite. (I wouldn't bother reviewing lines and handles as these vary depending on who you get the kite from.) Again the colour scheme is pretty shocking but this also doesn't matter. Aside from this everything seems well made. It certainly shocked me how big the thing actually was. You read 4.0m when ordering it but it's only when it's laid out on the floor infront of you you realise you have a hell of a lot of kite! I was gagging to get out with the kite but the good old British weather made me wait. My first day out came and I headed off to my local park with my other half. There was clearly a bit of wind around but I managed to stand in the only place in the park without any! This proved good though. I was able to unpack my kite, attach the lines and check everything without getting blown around. And to be honest set up was a breeze (if you will excuse the pun!). Attach the lines and away you go. And then came the first flight. It made the Wright brothers flight look like a transalantic crossing. The kite got about 2m of the ground and then came back down. I was in a wind free zone. About 100m away from me were some other kite flyers who clearly had some wind but I decided to pack up and try again. Having read this site I went for the parapacking method for pure ease. Today I got the kite out and then spent the next five minutes untangling lines! I think I need to prefect my packing method. Once I got the kite out today I realised things were different. The kite sat up on the ground straight away I was really looking forward to getting this kite up. Back down by the handles I eased off the brake lines and boy did I get a shock! Over the next hour I got dragged down the entire length of the park twice and I got very scared. I think the wind may have been a bit too strong. Either way I'm getting myself a crash helmet. The kite itself seemed to generate huge power. I never found the edge of the window as the kite always stayed in the sky. A couple of times I got confused by the extra set of lines and the kite self destructed and went crashing to the floor but this was definately pilot error! I've got to go back to the power - it was brutal and I loved every minute of it. Sitting here now I can't wait to get out after work tomorrow (hopefully in slightly lighter winds!). So to sum up Backpack - very very pants but who cares! Kite - looks pants but again who cares. I have no frame of reference apart from my Stacker 6 which is nothing when compared to this. If there are kites of this size which generate more power then wow because this kite dragged my 80 kilo frame everywhere. It was unbeliable fun and I can't recommend this strong enough - with a safety warning - be very very careful! If you want a cheap kite which generates power look no further! By : bigpee
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One year ago my other half kindly bought me a Flexifoil Stacker 6 after I had shown a small amount of interest in one on the internet. It turned out to be one of the best presents I got. Firstly to describe the package you get. It comes in a long thin cover which carries the kite and everything else you need such as the ling and handles. The kite itself seems to be very well made and I have stacked it into the ground many times (maybe that's why it's called the Stacker!) and it has survived intact. This was my first kite yet I found the set up to be a piece of cake. Assemble the spar and slide it through the leading edge of the kite. Attach the lines to either end of this and you're ready to go. My first experiences of launching the kite involved my girlfriend holding it in the air and launching it that way. No problems with this but it did rule out solo flying. Since then however I can now launch it off the ground solo very easily and even launch it after it has landed upside down. As it's a small kite it does however need that little bit more wind than bigger kites. Flying the kite couldn't be simpler. It goes pretty much where you point it and uses alot of the wind window. However if you fly it too close to the edge it can be hard to save. After practise and experience though you soon learn where the kite will and will not go. This kite advertises itself as holding the world record for speed. I don't know if this is still true but it certainly goes at a fair turn of speed. Over the last year I started getting better at flying the kite and it will loop several times and back again no fuss. One of the last times I flew the kite was in very strong winds. This was great fun as even at 80kg I was getting pulled along by it. However the lines supplied are only 70kg and rather enevitably they snapped! Do'h. A purchase of a re-sleeving kit soon solved this though. Overall I found this kite an excellent introduction to power kiting and it certainly left me wanting more. As a result I got a Firebee 4.0m this year for my birthday and am itching to see what sort of pull that's capable of. I would recommend this kite to anyone who wants a quality introduction to power kiting but a larger kite might be a good idea for those of my weight or above as this will only produce serious pull in heavy winds. By : bigpee
