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I have no problem with them protesting about a war but these guys were out & out vandals as far as I'm concerned.

Being let off will send signals to vandals everywhere to do whatever they want under the guise of some kind of pacifistic nonsense.

 

All vandals, whether they are writing on walls with spray paints, introducing viruses etc. in the internet, smashing public call boxes or intending to destroy any property need to be cracked down on severely. They should be made to pay for the damage they do. They should also be publicly displayed wearing a hat on that reads 'Vandal' in an area where the public can openly condemn them.

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I have no problem with them protesting about a war but these guys were out & out vandals as far as I'm concerned.

Being let off will send signals to vandals everywhere to do whatever they want under the guise of some kind of pacifistic nonsense.

 

nail the head on hit :)

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Sums up the mess this country has become though

 

They are tree huggers that don't want war or Nuclear power... They are forever down plymouth dock side protesting about the subs, they need think about if we hadn't gone to iraq, maybe just maybe a nuc could have killed all of us, as it happens they hadn't got anything, doesn't mean they never had plans

 

IMO bring on the nuclear power, nuthin to do with my dad workin on the coolers:rolleyes:

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the uk takes the **** , give it a few years and thay will do it again , because thay no thay will get away with again.

 

put them in from of a wall ia nice new m16 with a m203 and have some fun problem sorted

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I have no problem with them protesting about a war but these guys were out & out vandals as far as I'm concerned.

Being let off will send signals to vandals everywhere to do whatever they want under the guise of some kind of pacifistic nonsense.

 

All vandals, whether they are writing on walls with spray paints, introducing viruses etc. in the internet, smashing public call boxes or intending to destroy any property need to be cracked down on severely. They should be made to pay for the damage they do. They should also be publicly displayed wearing a hat on that reads 'Vandal' in an area where the public can openly condemn them.

 

Totaly agree with you...

 

If we where to follow those guys resonment as regard the war in Iraq being Illegal, we could then all do our own justice!!!!

 

 

What a bunch of idiots..

PS: I am against the war in Iraq!

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tbh i say forget about iraq, surely we have helped them enough now with 4 years of work and hundreds of dead soldiers

 

keep it closer to home, i know it was a long time ago but lets use 7/7 as an example. we were so worried about everyone elses problems we didn recognise out own, then over 40 people die and hundreds are injured.....

 

..hopefully brown will resolve some of these issues :rolleyes:

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Nipping onto an air force base and trying to take out some of our own soliders is not protesting, thats treason. Still, don't hang them, shoot them, or drop them on Iraq. Just lock them up for a long while. Getting a thousand of your mates to go lie down on the runway and have to be physically carried off would have been.

 

I don't think the citizens of this country are physically and mentally capable of protesting anymore. Look at the anti-war marches, they didn't get us anywhere. I'm sure if we wanted to we could completely stall the economic and politcal mechanisms of this country, and then the government would have to listen to us. Sadly we're all very comfortable. (I'm writing this from a beanbag, for instance ;)) We all just come onto forums and write how such and such 'Sums up the mess this country has become' instead. Typing is much easier, especially from a beanbag. (We should all get beanbags)

 

Have we really had a decent balls-out riot since the 80s?

 

(No, they should most definitly not have got away with it, but the spirit was in the right vague direction)

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But 7/7 was committed by BRITISH CITIZENS, born and bred in the UK! Blowing up Iraq will really help us against that, won't it?

 

I don't think they should have put lives at risk, I don't know if this action would have done. But did the Hungarians and Chinese citizens put their soldiers lives at risk when they put flowers in the barrels of tanks?

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But 7/7 was committed by BRITISH CITIZENS, born and bred in the UK! Blowing up Iraq will really help us against that, won't it?

 

the problem is that "british citizens" doesnt mean anything anymore; its become a matter of religion!

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It does in relation to blowing up foreign countries to stop terrorism within our borders.

 

nah...i'm under the impression that the aforementioned "british citizens" identify& sympathize with the iraqis we've blown up simply beceause we didn't really declare war on iraq, we declared war on the muslim extremists that were linked with 9/11, now most of these were in iraq, so over we went.

 

(sorry, rant over :o )

 

my point is that where these people were born, and have lived bears no relation to the people that they identify with and the community that they feel best represents them...

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my point is that where these people were born, and have lived bears no relation to the people that they identify with and the community that they feel best represents them...

 

Good point Afro. I identify with that remark.

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nah...i'm under the impression that the aforementioned "british citizens" identify& sympathize with the iraqis we've blown up simply beceause we didn't really declare war on iraq, we declared war on the muslim extremists that were linked with 9/11, now most of these were in iraq, so over we went.

 

But that is patently not true! Iraq was, under Saddam Hussein, a fairly secular dictatorship. Osama bin Laden denounced Saddam Hussein as an enemy, Muslim practices were restricted under Ba'ath rule. Over we went, for possibly spurious reasons and created the very conditions for the growth of extremism that we were hoping to remove!

 

my point is that where these people were born, and have lived bears no relation to the people that they identify with and the community that they feel best represents them...

 

OK, so the how does going to war against a state deal with the threat of terrorism when the state is, according to you, only at the fringes of relevance?

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Osama bin Laden denounced Saddam Hussein as an enemy

 

Over we went, for possibly spurious reasons and created the very conditions for the growth of extremism that we were hoping to remove!

 

how does going to war against a state deal with the threat of terrorism when the state is, according to you, only at the fringes of relevance?

 

1. Osama did not support Hussein, but he did support the majority of the population of Iraq...we were at war with Hussein, but in doing so we killed the Iraqi people, and hence alienated both Hussein and the muslim community that the "british citizens" were bound to.

 

2. yup, but you cant win em all...

 

there's a brilliant sketch by dylan moran that summarises Bush's decision to go to war...basically "god" is his invisible friend (ie alter ego), manifested in a hand puppet in his brief case...bush is asked what his decision is, and he pulls out the puppet and asks it... bush and the puppet trade "i dont know, what do you want to do?" 's for five mins untill the puppet abruptly says "KILL THEM ALL" and bush agrees

 

 

3. the war didnt deal with terrorism...it was supposed to in that the war was partly to show would-be-terrorists that their actions had posthumous consequences for their families and communities.

but this does'nt seem to matter to them nearly as much as it would to us, precicely because they have the strength of faith to KNOW that they and their families and friends are going to their version of heaven regardless.

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