dogbreath64 Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 I'v been a kite buggier and kite landborder for about 7 yrs now and about to jump into the water! finaly making the transition to kitesurfing, but now need sum info What is? Bow, C, SLE and Flat kites? The gain by having a 5th line? Top end and Low end? Bar Pressure? Kite Loop? aspect ratio regarding kitesurfing kites?Currently im flying a Blade II 4.9m and a Blade I 7.2m. Im assuming a 4.9m airofoil kite like my Blade II has more pull, is this correct and if so to what size kite will this compare to in terms of inflatable kites just so that i can get an idea of What sizes im looking for. Im about 85kg Kites Im guna try and get hold of second hand equipment as itl be cheaper to get started (round about £450). Im thinking about getting one kite and a board and going from there. (Does any one use blades on the water, just out of interest?) Im thinking a 12 meter of sum sort but dont mind pushing towards bigger kites. What Iv seen being sold second hand are kites such as: Sling shot, Fuel (11,13,15,17m) Best, Yarga (11m) Nemesis (12m) Yarga (11m) Naish, Shockwave (9,12,16m) Boxer II (16m) X3 (18m) X4 (12,16m) Globerider, Lift 05 (12m) Lift 2 (12m) North, Rhino IV (14m) FOne , Mach 5 (14m) Flexifoil, Strike (13m) Storm I (12m) Storm II (16m) Storm III (12m) Wipika, Free Air (11.5m) Air Blast (11.8m) AMP (11.8m) Wip (14m) Airush Reactor (12m) Takoon Wook 2 (12m) Cabrinha, CO2 (12,16m)However these are only what Iv managed to find with abit of hunting, Any ideas will be greatly appreciated, just really want to get started and want to get as much info as possible. Any help on boards, harnesses, Bars and other kites would be a great help too. THANX (If any one's from up NORTH Im at uni in Liverpool and were planning on starting a whole Kitesurfing "well kite anything" Club, come september, so it'd be nice to get sum local knowledge and maybe some events planned, which anyone could be part of!) Rolf Groenewold Quote
kiteingcolin Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 it was 4 am and you were that awake! whats up with you? calm down! ist being oop north is a major advantage, your a few miles from ainsdale beach and 90 mins from anglesey, aindale has what could be the biggest kite club around, get down and sign up, looks like your on a budget, and at £500 you could scrape by if your carefull and scrounge unwanted gear of people and pick it up at ainsdale, to start you off i have spare (as new) wet boots size 9 you can have for free,and a harness for a size 36 waist (free), i had a blade for a short time that i used for kitesurfing, they work! but if you can sell them for a standard kite or exchange them at whitstable windsurfing for a secondhand lei kite(standard) then even better, on a budget a bow kite is out, from the list of kites you have seen the best yaga 11 mtr looks right for your weight , and will be cheap, the fuel 11 and 13, the co2 12mtr, wook 12 mtr, are all suitable kites for you weight and depth of experience, there are some dogs mixed in that list so be carefull, the bar and saftey system will be just as important to you in the early days, if not more important!!a a ****ty kite on a great bar with great saftey is better than a great kite with ****ty saftey, as for all the other questions then get down to ainsdale there are scores of guys there only to willing to help you out with advice and direction, ask for the following names as they are allways around the beach, andy(any of the 3) scotty chris allan bobbie ron laney phil or anyone in one of the many AA vans, white vans, cars with boards in the back, the buggy guys line up their cars along the barrier, and the kitesurfers line up facing the water, you have to drive right down to the end, look for the kites in the air, Quote
kiteingcolin Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 extreme kites at warrington might swap the blades for a yarga, give andy and phil a ring, they are big into both brands, Quote
the_lone_wolf Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 I'v been a kite buggier and kite landborder for about 7 yrs now and about to jump into the water! finaly making the transition to kitesurfing, but now need sum info What is? Bow, C, SLE and Flat kites? a flat kite is one that has a supported frame with a bridle, a minimised version of what you're open cell foils have, it creates a flatter ac n the kite and makes it generaly more efficient and enables greater depower than normal C shaped kites (where the lines connect to the tips directly) but has downsides The gain by having a 5th line? when you crash an LEI to relaunch it you jave to first let it roll onto it's back then play with the lines to position it to relaunch. a 5th line enables you to pull the LE tube towards you and you don't have to swim to flip the kite on it's back. it also has other performance benifits such as increasing the depower of a kite and increasing it's projected area Top end and Low end? top end = the highest windspeed you can use the kite in low end = the lowest, more low end means a lower windspeed and vice versa Bar Pressure? the amount of force required to pull the bar in to power up the kite and to turn it, more bar pressure means more strain on the arms Kite Loop? generally accepted as when the kite completes a loop whilst the rider is airbourne, pulling him off downwind violently if the wind is up, not much skill involved but a huge rush. leave well alone while you're learning;) aspect ratio regarding kitesurfing aspect ratio affects LEIs int he same way it does foils, higher aspect kites are in general more powerful, have more hangtime, are slower turning and less stable. kites?Currently im flying a Blade II 4.9m and a Blade I 7.2m. Im assuming a 4.9m airofoil kite like my Blade II has more pull, is this correct and if so to what size kite will this compare to in terms of inflatable kites just so that i can get an idea of What sizes im looking for. Im about 85kg pull is all subjective and LEIs have depower but unhooked in the same winds the 4.9m blade is probable around the power of a 12-10m C kite Kites Im guna try and get hold of second hand equipment as itl be cheaper to get started (round about £450). Im thinking about getting one kite and a board and going from there. (Does any one use blades on the water, just out of interest?) Im thinking a 12 meter of sum sort but dont mind pushing towards bigger kites. What Iv seen being sold second hand are kites such as: Sling shot, Fuel (11,13,15,17m) Best, Yarga (11m) Nemesis (12m) Yarga (11m) Naish, Shockwave (9,12,16m) Boxer II (16m) X3 (18m) X4 (12,16m) Globerider, Lift 05 (12m) Lift 2 (12m) North, Rhino IV (14m) FOne , Mach 5 (14m) Flexifoil, Strike (13m) Storm I (12m) Storm II (16m) Storm III (12m) Wipika, Free Air (11.5m) Air Blast (11.8m) AMP (11.8m) Wip (14m) Airush Reactor (12m) Takoon Wook 2 (12m) Cabrinha, CO2 (12,16m)However these are only what Iv managed to find with abit of hunting, Any ideas will be greatly appreciated, just really want to get started and want to get as much info as possible. Any help on boards, harnesses, Bars and other kites would be a great help too. kites to avoid: Nemesis, X3, X4, Lift, Lift 2, any rhino, mach 5, any storm, freeair, airblast, wip, reactor - these are all older models or higher aspect kites, any moderate aspect kite from 2004 onwards will be just fine, once you take some lessons with an instructor up there they will most likely advise you on suitable/unsuitable kit other stuff you'll need will include: wetsuit - don't skimp on it if you're buying a winter suit, summer suits are mostly for show and a little bit of warmth but a winter one could save your life harness - waist harnesses offer more freedom of movement at the cost of some kite control, probably easier to start with a seat line knife - some harnesses come with one built in, always useful to have should you get into trouble impact vest/flotation device - not knowing how good a swimmer you are i should probably bring this up, if you aren't confident in your ability to swim in from where you go out to then you will be in for a shock, never assume the kite will be there to hang on to, ask yourself - "can i survive the swim back in or the wait treading water until the rescue boat finds me?" - this is when the extr you spent on a decent winter suit could save your life most of all, enjoy yourself, have fun, be sensible, fly safe and you'll have years of incident/injury free flying:) Quote
Bruce100 Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 I would agree with everything said by Colin - get down the beach (Aindale, West Shore Llandudno, Newbrough Anglesey), and talk. I don't want to confuse the choice of kit further, but as someone that 'made the transition' 18mnths ago (I still buggy) I would leave you with two comments: 1. Don't forget the Arc kites - Gurillas, Venoms etc... It's a personal choice, but I love em, great for getting going on the water and very good on land also. 2. Think about a couple of lessons to get the basic instruction on safety and to have a play with different bits of kit (even better than talking about it). Enjoy Bruce Quote
Marshall10488 Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 What is? Bow, C, SLE and Flat kites? Bow kite is the new revolution in LEI kites (Leading edge inflated) looks like your normal Kitesurfing kite but swept back. i'm not to sure on the advatages of this as i've neevr flown one but i understand that you gain a lower wind range and its more depowerable. C kite is the standard kitesurfing kite Still LEI u-kite would prob be a better name but they are just U/C shaped LEI kites. SLE, not too sure but imagine it means Sealed Leading edge, this is your Peter lynn kites like the Vennom. they have foils but are sealed. not being the definative knowledge on kitesurfing can't tell you wots best but i'm sure some people will tell you. in the end it will depend on your opinion, somepeople are comfortable with LEI's some prefer SLE's give them a try at your local store or see if you can try someones down your local beach. Or even get a lesson or two thats the best way to do it i think. Quote
conor Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 SLE, not too sure but imagine it means Sealed Leading edge, this is your Peter lynn kites like the Vennom. SLE means Suported Leading Edge (similar to bows i think) Quote
gillstah Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 supported leading edge, ie having a bridle with multiple attachment points on the leading edge for the front (power lines). it's the main design feature of the true bows that the hybrids/sles have borrowed. see my post here http://community.flexifoil.com/showpost.php?p=1143275&postcount=9 Quote
The Geoff Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 Like Bruce said, Peter Lynn Arcs are well worth looking at (Not the model 'Arc', they're relatively lethal, 'Arc' is also a generic term for that type of kite). I've just started learning with a Venom (13m) and it's great. There's not as much performance as an LEI, but they're more user-friendly when you've got lots to think about, they're hard to crash, and fairly easy to relaunch if you do. My first 'proper' deep water relaunch was incident free and only took a minute. They're also great on land. And the advice about hooking up with local guys is also spot on - learning on your own is pretty lethal, and it's handy if the other folk know you and your abilities. "He's dropped his kite? Nah, he'll be fine, I'm sure he knows what he's doing. Oh look, now he's waving! HELLO!! HAVING FUN?!" Hope you have as much fun as I am doing the land->water transition, it rocks Quote
Marshall10488 Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 that mean my waterfoils are SLE? Quote
Deej Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 :eek: I'v been a kite buggier and kite landborder for about 7 yrs now and about to jump into the water! finaly making the transition to kitesurfing, but now need sum info Ok so you started in 1999 when you were 13 and you know nothing!!!!! guess I am just cynical:rolleyes: Quote
KermitStu Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 that mean my waterfoils are SLE? no your water foils are closed cell foil kites Quote
KermitStu Posted June 30, 2006 Report Posted June 30, 2006 I'v been a kite buggier and kite landborder for about 7 yrs now and about to jump into the water! finaly making the transition to kitesurfing, but now need sum info What is? Bow, C, SLE and Flat kites? The gain by having a 5th line? Top end and Low end? Bar Pressure? Kite Loop? aspect ratio regarding kitesurfing kites?Currently im flying a Blade II 4.9m and a Blade I 7.2m. Im assuming a 4.9m airofoil kite like my Blade II has more pull, is this correct and if so to what size kite will this compare to in terms of inflatable kites just so that i can get an idea of What sizes im looking for. Im about 85kg Kites Im guna try and get hold of second hand equipment as itl be cheaper to get started (round about £450). Im thinking about getting one kite and a board and going from there. (Does any one use blades on the water, just out of interest?) Im thinking a 12 meter of sum sort but dont mind pushing towards bigger kites. What Iv seen being sold second hand are kites such as: Sling shot, Fuel (11,13,15,17m) Best, Yarga (11m) Nemesis (12m) Yarga (11m) Naish, Shockwave (9,12,16m) Boxer II (16m) X3 (18m) X4 (12,16m) Globerider, Lift 05 (12m) Lift 2 (12m) North, Rhino IV (14m) FOne , Mach 5 (14m) Flexifoil, Strike (13m) Storm I (12m) Storm II (16m) Storm III (12m) Wipika, Free Air (11.5m) Air Blast (11.8m) AMP (11.8m) Wip (14m) Airush Reactor (12m) Takoon Wook 2 (12m) Cabrinha, CO2 (12,16m)However these are only what Iv managed to find with abit of hunting, Any ideas will be greatly appreciated, just really want to get started and want to get as much info as possible. Any help on boards, harnesses, Bars and other kites would be a great help too. THANX (If any one's from up NORTH Im at uni in Liverpool and were planning on starting a whole Kitesurfing "well kite anything" Club, come september, so it'd be nice to get sum local knowledge and maybe some events planned, which anyone could be part of!) Rolf Groenewold when you are in oxford come over to horspath athletics ground on a windy day and im likly to be there with my big yellow kite come have a chat Quote
Neddy knacker Posted July 1, 2006 Report Posted July 1, 2006 Ok so you started in 1999 when you were 13 and you know nothing!!!!!guess I am just cynical:rolleyes: ...................... Quote
npeac Posted July 1, 2006 Report Posted July 1, 2006 pretty much got sick of reading the other bollocks of peole giving advise on stuff they know nout about, go with TLWs guide and you cant go far wrong, same goes for have a lesson and ask your teacher Quote
paulie_amoose Posted July 1, 2006 Report Posted July 1, 2006 Let me help clear things up abit... SLE - Supported Loin Equipment, basicly an advanced pair of pants with extra support in the guset. A vast improvement the old C shaped bucket pant of yester year. Top end and bottom end - You find these on ladez. Ask your Dad what they are for....! Bar pressure - When all mates want to go to the pub and you don't. They all hassle you until you give in. You have sucumb to "bar pressure". Kite loop - An advanced stich used in tapastry. Aspect ratio regarding kitesurf kites - Erm... I dunno..!! Hope that helps.. Quote
The Geoff Posted July 2, 2006 Report Posted July 2, 2006 Aspect ratio regarding kitesurf kites - Erm... I dunno..!! Easy - when there's no wind and you're sitting by your pumped up kite 'Aspect Ratio' is the direction it's facing (in degrees) divided by the temperature in the shade (ditto) Quote
paulie_amoose Posted July 2, 2006 Report Posted July 2, 2006 Easy - when there's no wind and you're sitting by your pumped up kite 'Aspect Ratio' is the direction it's facing (in degrees) divided by the temperature in the shade (ditto) Sweet, thanks for clearing that one up bud... Now anyone know what this 5th line thingy is for? Quote
gillstah Posted July 3, 2006 Report Posted July 3, 2006 Sweet, thanks for clearing that one up bud... Now anyone know what this 5th line thingy is for? it's what you tie your kite down with when you go to the loo Quote
Noo Noo Posted July 3, 2006 Report Posted July 3, 2006 it's what you tie your kite down with when you go to the loo I always thought it was "I've got more than you" thing. Quote
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