Where's the next ban

[big-jon]

Thanks Matt maybe I should

 

I totally agree with your points as well and would also like an answer to the question - can this be done?

[daft mick]

Thought for the day...

In every sport there are total w*nk*rs, football seems to have more than its share so it is welcomed everywhere.

The majority of kiters are respectable, polite and not wanting to disturb or injure anyone. (I did say the majority)

That is the very reason for the multitude of bans. It is quite unlikely that any of the officials are going to be harmed in some way.

Please recruit some .....................

Sorry, but.....

Mick

[Bushy99]

The job of speaking to councils should have been done in a proactive way. The powers that be, whether it be PKSF/BBC/Fed/whoever should be looking at things on a national scale and promoting our sport in a positive way. In my opinion, we should by now be recognised by the English Sports Council (Sport England) and be represented on every individual councils Sports Council.

 

Can this be done?

 

The Fed are recognised as the governing body for the sport by Sport Engalnd. Just had a read of their policies on equity, interesting! follow the link below. As Sport England are all for widening participation and maintaining access to sport in the community (and we are all communities) does this mean that if we all form clubs affiliated to the Fed, they will fight on our behalf?

 

http://www.sportengland.org/index/about_sport_england/about_who/equality_standard_for_sport.htm

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I suppose so....but......to become a Fed affiliated club you need written permission to use the specific peice of land that the club will operate on from the landowner (usually the council).

 

From where I'm sitting it appears the PKSF are the ones who should be approaching Sport England and making contact with every council, starting with those on the coast. Let them know that we have an organisation behind us who can help all parties should the need arise. I say PKSF because of the freedom of PKSF insurance and the mobility of kiters.

[GaRRy]

I suppose so....but......to become a Fed affiliated club you need written permission to use the specific peice of land that the club will operate on from the landowner (usually the council).

 

From where I'm sitting it appears the PKSF are the ones who should be approaching Sport England and making contact with every council, starting with those on the coast. Let them know that we have an organisation behind us who can help all parties should the need arise. I say PKSF because of the freedom of PKSF insurance and the mobility of kiters.

 

OK as the FED Secretary guess I ought to reply here

 

Yep the FED is recongnised by Sport England however to be honest we are relatively unimportant in there eyes and likely to remain so. Even more so now after there a vowed intent to concentrate on the 12ish core sports (football/cricket/athletics etc). Dont expect the PKSF to do any better (Assuming they can even get recongnition which they siad they needed 5000 members for and are now well past that figure). Also bear in mind the PKSF is basically two people (Mike Shaw and Ian Meridith) even though it is meant to be more.

 

The other problem is time. All the officials of the FED (and the PKSF) are unpaid (except may be some expenses) and there is only so much you can do in your spare time (we all have to earn a living). This is why the FED believes it is up to locals (and this means regular users of a site rather than physically local) to secure a site and get permission to use it. What we will do is offer advice and suggestions on how to secure this right. It is our experience that in long run this is the only way to secure sites as Councils are more and more inclined to ban unauthorised activities and while the PKSF's go where you want policy sounds great we belive in the long run it is doomed as with out permission eventually you will get banned.The other thing to point out is we are a Federation that is to say each Club is largely independant and sets its own access rules althoguh obviously the idea is as far as possible to allow members of other FED clubs to access other FED sites although I will admit the currently these visitors rights are not as free and easy as I and others would like (Usually due to local Council restrictions)

 

I could go on but eventually this stuff gets boring. Also I dont want to sound like im preaching that the FED is some perfect utopia when it still is far from although I believe with effort from enough people it could be. If anyone would like to discuss this more just pm me and ill reply with my phone number.

[kitegirl]

The Fed are recognised as the governing body for the sport by Sport England.

 

Is that a FACT?

 

I work in Sports Development, and have been teaching powerkiting, kitebuggying and kitelandboarding through work for some years now. I have never seen any Sport England documentation or articles regarding powerkiting - other than Positive Futures.

 

Since when was it a 'recognised' sport?

 

(Just interested that's all)

 

Dee

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Garry, I've PM'd you a question.

[GaRRy]

Is that a FACT?

 

I work in Sports Development, and have been teaching powerkiting, kitebuggying and kitelandboarding through work for some years now. I have never seen any Sport England documentation or articles regarding powerkiting - other than Positive Futures.

 

Since when was it a 'recognised' sport?

 

(Just interested that's all)

 

Dee

 

 

Here you go Dee

 

http://www.sportengland.org/index/get_resources/resource_ul.htm#governing

 

Under Sand and Land Yachting

[kitegirl]

Here you go Dee

 

http://www.sportengland.org/index/get_resources/resource_ul.htm#governing

 

Under Sand and Land Yachting

 

So, is this purely racing that's recognised? Just that the whole site seemed geared - and manned towards that discipline.

 

Looks like the entire committee is raced-based... and people talk of equity

 

If you're the governing body, what instructor training do you offer/recognise?

 

Are my qualifications endorsed by this Fed? Like, the ASA are the governing body of swimming, so I'm an ASA Teacher. Am I now a Fed Instructor? Just that I'm thinking of attending the next PKSF Advanced Instructor course and see no point if my quals are not recognised within the sport.

 

Where does freestyle come into the equation?

 

I'm very confused

 

Dee

[GaRRy]

So, is this purely racing that's recognised? Just that the whole site seemed geared - and manned towards that discipline.

 

Looks like the entire committee is raced-based... and people talk of equity

 

If you're the governing body, what instructor training do you offer/recognise?

 

Are my qualifications endorsed by this Fed? Like, the ASA are the governing body of swimming, so I'm an ASA Teacher. Am I now a Fed Instructor? Just that I'm thinking of attending the next PKSF Advanced Instructor course and see no point if my quals are not recognised within the sport.

 

Where does freestyle come into the equation?

 

I'm very confused

 

Dee

 

Ok Firstly its true that certainly the Land Yacht side is very much Race Biased however even amongst the land yachters most of them are not Racers and cetainly the majority of the Class 8 (ie buggies) are not racers.

 

As for the committee being race biased I guess you get the comittee willing to do then job and thats elected. Im as far as I know the first full time buggier on the comittee not because weve been kept out but because until last 12 months nobody has bothered to step forward and regularily attend meetings etc. As well as me there are also two class 8 specific representatives (new post to try and redress the balance) and I belive we are still looking for someone to represent boarders which in the Fed are still far and few between.

 

As for training etc we have our own (including via the PKA) so I guess officially we dont recognise your trainimg although to be honest been as kite boarding is relativlely new to FED if you wanted to come on board im sure we would make you more than welcome.

 

As for Freestyle thats a good question it is again something pretty new to the older members of the Fed who obviously are mainly traditonal Land Yachters which hare a bit hard to jump . Athough at last meeting it was certainly discussed and the general concesus was it is something we need to embrace (although expect the approach to be cautious)

 

As I said we are far from the perfect organisation but I believe we have good solid foundations as well as member clubs with good sites with long term access.

[kitegirl]

Ok Firstly its true that certainly the Land Yacht side is very much Race Biased however even amongst the land yachters most of them are not Racers and cetainly the majority of the Class 8 (ie buggies) are not racers.

 

As for the committee being race biased I guess you get the comittee willing to do then job and thats elected. Im as far as I know the first full time buggier on the comittee not because weve been kept out but because until last 12 months nobody has bothered to step forward and regularily attend meetings etc. As well as me there are also two class 8 specific representatives (new post to try and redress the balance) and I belive we are still looking for someone to represent boarders which in the Fed are still far and few between.

 

As for training etc we have our own (including via the PKA) so I guess officially we dont recognise your trainimg although to be honest been as kite boarding is relativlely new to FED if you wanted to come on board im sure we would make you more than welcome.

 

As for Freestyle thats a good question it is again something pretty new to the older members of the Fed who obviously are mainly traditonal Land Yachters which hare a bit hard to jump . Athough at last meeting it was certainly discussed and the general concesus was it is something we need to embrace (although expect the approach to be cautious)

 

As I said we are far from the perfect organisation but I believe we have good solid foundations as well as member clubs with good sites with long term access.

 

Yes, well mate... at least if it's officially recognised I can apply for work to grant me an allowance to compete.

 

Think the training/landboarding/freestyle issues need addressing sooner rather than later too eh?

 

Cheers though, you learn something new every day

 

Right, horizontaldom

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As for Freestyle thats a good question it is again something pretty new to the older members of the Fed who obviously are mainly traditonal Land Yachters which hare a bit hard to jump . Athough at last meeting it was certainly discussed and the general concesus was it is something we need to embrace (although expect the approach to be cautious)

 

Are we covered under Fed insurance for board/buggy freestyle/jumping? Been looking for an answer to this for a while.

[GaRRy]

As for Freestyle thats a good question it is again something pretty new to the older members of the Fed who obviously are mainly traditonal Land Yachters which hare a bit hard to jump . Athough at last meeting it was certainly discussed and the general concesus was it is something we need to embrace (although expect the approach to be cautious)

 

Are we covered under Fed insurance for board/buggy freestyle/jumping? Been looking for an answer to this for a while.

 

As far as im aware yes you are as the only real diference betwen our policy and PKSF is what activities are covered and the fact that for ours to be valid you must have permission to use the site.

 

I will double check with Insurance officer though ASAP.

[K7-]

Well things plenty of views after my initial little moan.

All I really want is somewhere I can fly my kite and ride my buggy. I don’t want to race etc.

 

My point about the BBC is that if it costs £15 for insurance, fair enough, but it does call itself a club not Lloyds of London. Most clubs provide more than just insurance and if it costs a bit more to help keeps sites open I’d be happy to pay (a bit more).

 

To be fair to my local shop, Airbossworld they have and are trying to find and keep site going. But I'd like to see more done by the British Buggy Club and kite companies. I certainly don’t know or understand everything that these organisations do but I do see more and more bans, with more on the way.