The_DevilsRazor Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Whats happening with the ban. Quote
c00ky Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Dude, Pendine is still a banned place for buggying, boarding, motor bikes, quads, cars, articulated vehicles and any other items from Jeremy Clarksons garage. The CLSC - Carmarthen Land Sailing Club are currently in talks with CCC - Carmethen County Council about regaining access for kite/land sailing activities at Pendine, but this will probably not occur until next year. In mean time, you can join the CLSC and fly at Pembrey Beach if a South Wales beach experience is what you are after. see www.clsc.co.uk for details.... Quote
spooky Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Its wiered, Pembery was shut for ages due to the powers that be wanting way OTT (IMHO) requiremnts ie £10 milllion liability, while Pendine was allowed to operate with no restrictions what so ever. This intern lead to it being shut due to fears of accidents/liability etc due to people driving around in/on quads/bikes/carsetc(must point out that AFAIK it was not kiters who were being inconciderate, dangerouse and down right stupid). Now Pembery is open under limited conditions and Pendine is closed to every one? Why? In my simple out look on life, if Kiters were never an issue why were they lumped in with the rest of the hooligans? Also if Pembery now has a safe system of operation, why can that not be applied to Pendine straight way? Alfter all it's not like the two sites have different enviroments? Best of luck with it all though. Jon Quote
wibbly wobbly Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 In my simple out look on life, if Kiters were never an issue why were they lumped in with the rest of the hooligans? Also if Pembery now has a safe system of operation, why can that not be applied to Pendine straight way? Alfter all it's not like the two sites have different enviroments? Best of luck with it all though. JonI do not think the ban at Pendine is legally enforceable past the big yellow MOD sign as CCC do not own this part of the beach. I would bet serious money if you went onto the beach and set up past the yellow sign on MOD land there would be nothing CCC could do. I may be wrong and the land in question may have been signed over to CCC if not, AFAIK the MOD have not banned flying on their land, there is nothing to stop anyone flying during the allocated times. But you must ask yourself this question: Do you want to upset the local flyers who have put in the hard work to get back on Pembrey? Quote
c00ky Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Chaps, Pembrey via CLSC is being used as a demonstration to CCC that kiters can use the beaches sensibly. And as far as I am aware they are so far impressed with what CLSC are doing, which means brownie points for Pendine being revisited sooner rather than later. BUT, just turning up and wazzing around on Pendine before the ban is lifted will not only **** off local kite flyers (a majority of which are CLSC members) but also jepardise the work being undertaken in securing the return of Pendine to wind based pursuits. There is a massive thread on the Flexi Forums tracing the history of what went on, why, who we (as Flexi Forum Users etc etc) emailed, the online petition that was signed and finally the fact that CCC say "sense" and allowed CLSC to return to using the Pembrey sands beach. If you want to help, then join CLSC, as this has a good relationship with CCC and is making in roads in getting both beaches accessible. Plus you get to fly at Pembrey! Remember that CCC has banned all wheel based activities on Pendine, which so happens to include buggying/boarding, due to the fact that they cannot afford the liability when Joe Shmo in his Vauxhall Vectra (trying to impress his new girl) careens into some kite flyer or local holiday makers. I flew at Pendsine before the ban, and I agree the idiots were the ones using petrol based vehicles, but as CCC cannot afford to have a bloke with a cap only letting kite flyers on at Pendine, they did the easiest thing which was take all our toys away. This act caused us (as in kite flyers) to go ballistic and kick up a fuss, to that end the CCC did allow the re-opening of Pembrey beach (where they do have rangers who can catch/report on transgressors ie. Vauxhall Vectras driven by Joe Shmo). I hope that Pendine returns soon and that more people can fly on it. Quote
oc1rob Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Assuming your theory was accurate, can you get to the MOD land without touching CCC land?? I've not been there but I susspect from what I have read that you cant and this is where CCC get you! I do not think the ban at Pendine is legally enforceable past the big yellow MOD sign as CCC do not own this part of the beach. I would bet serious money if you went onto the beach and set up past the yellow sign on MOD land there would be nothing CCC could do. I may be wrong and the land in question may have been signed over to CCC if not, AFAIK the MOD have not banned flying on their land, there is nothing to stop anyone flying during the allocated times. But you must ask yourself this question: Do you want to upset the local flyers who have put in the hard work to get back on Pembrey? Quote
spooky Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Hi c00ky, don't panic had no intention of more of observation? I agree totally that doing so be for e a ban was lifted would require the said individual to be ritually sacrificed. I like many on here did sign teh pertition and offer as much support as we could. Good to here that the CSLC, is demonstrating that kiting is safe to operate at the beach, just a shame that it wasnot witnessed before the ban was implaced. Same goes for allowing us and not cars on the beach, to me not difficult, after all at a local hill they manage to spot out kites easily enough to come and say we can not fly there, so can not see why it is so diffiult to spot other band users?/ Any way keep up the good work, may be one day we can get on there again? Fly safe, Jon Quote
bulletmagnet Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 If you could, there is no law to stop you taking your stuff across their land, as long as you didn't buggy or board you'd be ok Assuming your theory was accurate, can you get to the MOD land without touching CCC land?? I've not been there but I susspect from what I have read that you cant and this is where CCC get you! Quote
Kiteboyza Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 I would bet serious money if you went onto the beach and set up past the yellow sign on MOD land there would be nothing CCC could do. I bet you wont be willing to pay the court. The last person who did this on Pembrey is sailing with us now. He got a 2 and a half year ban and it cost him £6500. Shows you that CCC are not gonna mess about. If you got that sort of cash, go for it. Further more we dont want to pi55off the MOD as if they ban us thats for good and now council in this world would be able to overturn that..... I have been dealing with CCC and have done propsal for Pendine. There will be a public meeting at some stage this month. CCC have indicated that CLSC will operate the same way on Pendine as on Pembrey. So if you join you get access to 2 of the best beaches in the UK. Quote
wibbly wobbly Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Your missing the point here. It's not Council property and the MOD have not AFAIK signed an agreement with CCC therefore they have no jurisdiction over that piece of land. Please read the last part of my post as i clearly made a statement about not upsetting the local flyers. I bet you wont be willing to pay the court. The last person who did this on Pembrey is sailing with us now. He got a 2 and a half year ban and it cost him £6500. Shows you that CCC are not gonna mess about. If you got that sort of cash, go for it. Further more we dont want to pi55off the MOD as if they ban us thats for good and now council in this world would be able to overturn that..... I have been dealing with CCC and have done propsal for Pendine. There will be a public meeting at some stage this month. CCC have indicated that CLSC will operate the same way on Pendine as on Pembrey. So if you join you get access to 2 of the best beaches in the UK. Quote
Kiteboyza Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Dont know who it belongs to and dont really care. We are negotiating as fast as the council will go so please respect the ban... Quote
bad dad Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 Your missing the point here. It's not Council property and the MOD have not AFAIK signed an agreement with CCC therefore they have no jurisdiction over that piece of land. That’s where you’d be wrong KB fogot to mention the council have reached an agreement with the MOD to control the whole of the beach .If the village council in the meeting this month agree to allow CCC run their section CCC will have control the whole beach, and most importantly the access . ction CCC will have control the whole beach. Quote
RAID Posted October 6, 2004 Report Posted October 6, 2004 I bet you wont be willing to pay the court. The last person who did this on Pembrey is sailing with us now. He got a 2 and a half year ban and it cost him £6500. Shows you that CCC are not gonna mess about. If you got that sort of cash, go for it. £6500 fine for flying a kite? What a load of bollocks. Stop exaggerating! Quote
Kiteboyza Posted October 7, 2004 Report Posted October 7, 2004 and Raid crawls out the shadows.....with his useless advice and input. It wasnt a kite, was a landyacht on Pembrey. Court fees and soliciters are not very cheap these days Quote
wibbly wobbly Posted October 7, 2004 Report Posted October 7, 2004 If you had read the third paragraph of my original post i said AFAIK the MOD haven't come to an agreement with CCC. Carry on taking the Prozac. Your missing the point here. It's not Council property and the MOD have not AFAIK signed an agreement with CCC therefore they have no jurisdiction over that piece of land. That’s where you’d be wrong KB fogot to mention the council have reached an agreement with the MOD to control the whole of the beach .If the village council in the meeting this month agree to allow CCC run their section CCC will have control the whole beach, and most importantly the access . ction CCC will have control the whole beach. Quote
lardyb Posted October 7, 2004 Report Posted October 7, 2004 If you had read the third paragraph of my original post i said AFAIK the MOD haven't come to an agreement with CCC. Carry on taking the Prozac. How would YOU know if they have an agreement?? Have you spoken to the mod or local council or county council?? no....... thought not Quote
bulletmagnet Posted October 7, 2004 Report Posted October 7, 2004 How would YOU know if they have an agreement?? Have you spoken to the mod or local council or county council?? no....... thought not I am the MOD;) Quote
bad dad Posted October 7, 2004 Report Posted October 7, 2004 If you had read the third paragraph of my original post i said AFAIK the MOD haven't come to an agreement with CCC. Carry on taking the Prozac.oh no not another one? God knows I don’t suffer fools gladly ,I just seem to attract them. I take it everyone ‘s supposed to know what afaik means? Quote
Kiteboyza Posted October 7, 2004 Report Posted October 7, 2004 afaik= as far as I know Well he seems to know everything so let him find out the rest for himself....PMSL Quote
bad dad Posted October 7, 2004 Report Posted October 7, 2004 £6500 fine for flying a kite? What a load of bollocks. Stop exaggerating!Raid my old mucker, making a fool of yourself as usual? If you bother to check you’ll find out KB’s right. Quote
RAID Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 and Raid crawls out the shadows.....with his useless advice and input.Shadows? No, France and Amsterdam. Sorry if you've missed me but we can't all be gay can we? Quote
Kiteboyza Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Shadows? No, France and Amsterdam. Sorry if you've missed me but we can't all be gay can we? Those two places sound awfully gay to me matey.... Quote
avspider Posted October 11, 2004 Report Posted October 11, 2004 Those two places sound awfully gay to me matey.... AND WHATS WRONG WITH BEING GAY? Quote
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