elbow pain

[Guest bill]

Has anybody got some good ways of dealing with elbow pain from to much time kitesurfing - taking loads of pain killers is not helping

[npeac]

dont go kitesurfing

do some press ups

adjust the reach of your bar so your arms arent bent when it is in the position you keep it in most

[muppetdude1599968590]

id love to suffering with that pain..........................too m uch kitesurfing bliss..............

 

seriously though its prob a tennis elbow syndrom = rest before it becomes serious.......................beats atrophy of key kitesirfing muscles however

[yowi]

What do think is causing it?

I was gettting a problem like this a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't sure if it was the cold, or the wetsuit bunching in the crook of my elbow and leveraging the joint appart or maybe it's both together.

[MONK]

had the same problem about 10 years ago playing squash it is what muppetdude said tennis elbow its to do with your grip round a to small bar you need to make the bar thicker.....

and taking pain killers will make it worse rest it the try a thicker bar

[Roger Melly]

That includes no w**king

[MONK]

nice one i did think about that but then i thought i be serious and try and give the man some advice

 

and i said dont take any pain killers i lied take loads and it will feel like some else is doing it no wat i mean

[Kite Guru]

Also possible cause by going out underpowered. Gripping too hard, and bar not set to right length for your arms.

[sodemall]

http://www.pion-tc.co.uk/

 

try Emu Oil it worked for Paula Radcliffe

[jelly man]

wat kite you fly when i went into a shop lookin for a kite they said that kites that have heavy turning are likely to make your arms hurt more than lighter turning ones e.g. a big blade needs lots of bar imput for it 2 turn and you have to hold it in position whereas somehigh aspect kites hardly need any bar imput and are less hardwork to fly

[Haka]

It sounds like tennis elbow or lateral epicondylitis to give it its proper medical name. It's caused by inflammation of the muscle insertion over the outside of the elbow. Usually precipitated by repetitive movements or strain.

To cure it you must stop all activites that cause irritation. You can buy a clasp which changes the pressure exerted on the muscles around the elbow. these sometimes work.

If not you may need a local anesthetic and steroid injection which hurts like hell for about 4 days and then settles down.

If this doesn't work then you may need an elbow arthroscopy ( keyhole camera) just to make sure that there isn't another cause like a bit of bone in the joint or early arthritis.

 

Sympathise with you as have just got over a nasty attack and also know how to treat it as I'm an orthopeadic surgeon!!

 

PM me if you want any more advise.

 

Haka

[Roger Melly]

Haka sorry to hijack your skills but I received a nasty jolt to my neck when I hit the beach the other day. The muscles on the front of my neck hurt. Is this whiplash? I thought whiplash was the spine...

[Guest bill]

Thanks for all the advice - I did try thickning the bar but only for a few sessions so may have not persisted long enough. I fly mostly north rhinos inflatables, and when I can not get out on the water I use my dirtscooter with either a Blade or a sky tiger. I am trying to see a specialist in a month or so - and will see what they say. Its a bugger as no other sport/activity even roger mellys exercise results in the same pain

 

Bill

[snowboard]

when i first started on the kitesurfing ,after a weeks hard surfing my elbo gave my some stick and my arm would not straighten fully for as few weeks later;now after four seasons and i am out at least once a week during the winter working months and rarely at home much when it is warm ,my arm rarely hurts but for about the last 2 years i have been unable to straighten it ast all. i have had it x rayed and nothing show up, my Doc says if it is not a problem maybe best not to try and mess around with surgery in the elbow.whats your verdict Haka ( is the name any reflection on your surgical skills?)

[akamini]

I can see Haka getting a few queries now words out he's a Doc!!

 

I reckon im a leading authority on elbow pains - had chronic tennis elbow from rock climbing in the past, and also used to suffer playing too much squash (and now suffer with chronic bursitis in my elbows, but thats different). However, my physio told me a thicker grip on the racket would help, and sure enough it has - i play with like 3 grips on the handle now. Some people have less elasticity in there muscles/tendons than other and are more prone to it. If you stretch your arm out (back of the hand facing up), make a fist and then move your wrist up and down. The less clenched your fist is the more movement down you should be able to get, because the tendons arent as pre-stretched. You can do this as an excercise to help improve the stretch in your tendons, but ultimately to get rid of the inflammation the only thing to do is to rest, in my experience.

[Haka]

Rodger- Whiplash is a laymans term for a soft tissue injury to the neck, very rarely used by doctors as it has certain connertations to the patients, and legally. It basically means you have strained a muscle in your neck. You have muscles at the front and back of your neck, any of which you may strain by foreced hyerflexion or extension. This will settle down , but will get worse before it gets better. Lots of gentle movement, painkillers and it should be fine a week. DO NOT PUT A SOFT COLLAR ON, this will make things worse and give you a chonic stiff and painful neck.

 

Snowboard- Would ask for a second opinion from another GP, or a direct referal to an orthopeadic surgeon. Inability to fully extend at the elbow i.e straighten your arm IS NOT NORMAL. You may have a bit of bone in the joint or some scar tissue blocking it's range of movement. An MRI or an elbow arthroscopy would sort this out and get to the bottom of things. Any other symptoms like pain, locking or clicking?

 

 

Write back and tell me how things go,

 

Haka

[kuztardd]

i had tennis elbow and it a real annoyance. since i am studying massage thepary i spoke to some people and was told that friction massage can be of benefit.

 

i ended up massaging my elbow continuously for a couple of weeks and for as much as possible. while watching tv, sitting around etc etc..

 

luckily the pain has now gone.

 

i am also doing excercises to help the area that was inflammed. this involves excercising the extenders of the wrist/fingers. look on the internet for info on how to do them.

 

i found this website helped.

http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/elbow/tenniselbow.htm

http://www.holistichealthtools.com/elbow.html

or

http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=20&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22tennis+elbow%22+massage&meta=

 

hope you feel better soon. just rest the area or you will just aggrevate it. tennis elbow very rarely goes away with time without any help or rest.

[Guest jacques_vivier]

I had almost the same problem. I was told to loosen my grip on the bar. They also said that I should play with the width that my hands are away from each other. Make it wider and smaller.

 

Apparently you can also do a type of resistance training to help with this. But I have not been able to find out what this was.

 

I talked to a sports injury.... whatever you call them.

This is what my problem was. When I surf I used to grip the bar to hard. In gripping the bar to hard my arm mussels "works" the whole time. So when I pull myself towards the bar and stuff. My mussels are not used to "working" the whole time! It is almost the same as something that ppl get in their legs called shin splints. I just found it strange that I only got it in one arm. And it was my strongest arm!!

 

When I get more info I'll let you guys know. I'm just going away for a few weeks. Yeah!!! Hope the winds going to play along.

 

Cheers

[Haka]

Not really what causes Tennis elbow I'm afraid. It's to do with an abnormality in the biomechanics of the forearm, causing the tendons of the extensor muscles of the forearm to rub against each other. This caused inflammation which is transmitted to the boney origin of the extensor mechanism, the lateral epicondyl. This is what gives you the pain. Repetitive strain predisposes to this condition.

Shinsplints is totally different, it's caused by a transient raise in the pressure of the anterior compartment of the leg, whta we call compartment syndrome. The only thing that it has in common is that both conditions are caused by repetitive stress.

Your physiotherapist/ sports therapist is wrong.

 

Haka

[snowboard]

thanks Haka, yes my arm does CRACK often as i go to straighten it out and can be a bit painfull after a good session but as yet it has not locked. with thanks Doc can you advise any specialist, i live in the birmingham area.

[Haka]

Am based up in Newcastle I'm afraid but if you ask your GP to refer you, you should see an elbow specilist.

 

Hope that helps

 

Haka

[Guest bill]

How thick should you make your bar - is it proportional to the size of your hands, any advice

thanks

Bill

[borg-drone1]

hi,

 

i had tennis elbow had 2 injections nothing worked it was that bad i could not

carry any thing.

 

I did a crazy thing re-joined my old karate club and did lots of punching went through the pain then hey pressto pain totally gone......that was 3 years ago.

fighting kiting fit all is ok.

 

fingers crossed.

[mgs]

Good Thread....

I have aching elbow from time to time after a kitesuring session.I think my harness loop is to short(Bent arms)Pain is only in the right elbow.When walking up the beach I tend to steer the kite with my right hand and carry the board in my left.Excessive working of the kite in light winds also adds to the problem.I Will change my harness loop to a longer one and see how that goes.Hot soak in the bath helps too....

[npeac]

as this has popped bak up, a timely remindr to exercise antagonisitc muscles.

 

excuse fro doing press ups on the beach aslo beware of thick wetties now winter is here and also if you are out for a long sesh. change the reach of your bar half way through.