Skud_Mark Posted February 17, 2003 Report Posted February 17, 2003 Originally posted by hoolyman Sounds fandabbidozy, now I just need to develop some style Are you saying the PKA has something to offer the non-competitive, non-buggying 'boarder-dudes' amongst us? Would PKA membership on my part mean that (now or in the future if things work out) I would be entitled to use PKA/LYA beaches (subject to local conditions of membership) Not yet but that is what we are striving for or would a cert. of competence be required? any thought to developing such a cert. for atb riders? ATB's are different from buggys and static flying so if certification were to be introduced your needs will be recognised. Or does all this remain to be seen but would be easier to achieve with better support (i.e. membership)? I am also a member of the BBC with no intention of giving the PKA any financial support (i.e. membership) until my needs as a recreational buggier are recognised and accepted. That said, the proposal we are intending to put forward encompasses the needs of all flyers including ATB's and is a package deal i.e. we will not be backing down in order to favour buggiers. I'm already a BBC member and I'd say it's worth it for the events insurance and small number of events they involve, I'm sure I could stretch to joining the PKA as well but not without good reason - any of the above would constitute good reasons [/b] I'll let them know to expect your membership the same time as mine then! As for your subsequent post, up to point 5 are things we are striving for. As for weather and babes yep in our dreams too Quote
king.module Posted February 17, 2003 Report Posted February 17, 2003 forgive me if i'm wrong but wasn't there something a while ago about the bbc and PKA sort of joining forces? i thought that if you we're insured with the bbc then you could go to events organised by the PKA and vice versa. Does this mean that this latest round of 'in-fighting' has jeopardised this arrangement? i don't want to have to join two bodies just on the off chance that there's an event at a 'PKA ONLY' beach that i might want to attend Etc.. like hooly i only board and because of this i have never felt it necessary to join the pka (the thing that sold the bbc to me was one of the first pka members i ever meet was a complete tosser who took out 8 kites @ the novice race at the 1st x-zone games just so his mate could win - some poor sucker spent hours untangling his lines...) i'm well up for events and have entered a number of races (and sorry troy but you can race ATBs "I say that the class 7 gang can't race cos boards ain't fast" - ok there not as fast as buggies but it is still fun which is what it's all about at the end of the day) good on you for pushing through the cr*p to get something sorted and i'm behind you all the way but i'm not going to join the pka if they can't offer me (atb) anything in return just my thoughts on the subject Quote
Symo Posted February 17, 2003 Report Posted February 17, 2003 Once the needs of anyone who wants to attach themselves to 4 lines of fun are met then I will join that body. I will not mind giving the PKA some brass if they meet my needs, if as what you are proposing goes through then I will happily join. Quote
tvinson Posted February 17, 2003 Author Report Posted February 17, 2003 There's a concensus on ATB. Anything else? Publicity Safety Insurance Other types of events Sponsorship Licensing Information availability Cmon guys, give us soem more ideas...mail your friends and ask them too??? Quote
burgy Posted February 17, 2003 Report Posted February 17, 2003 Originally posted by fox 2 Am i being stupid in saying y do we have to stick with the LYA?? No I've read the whole thread and understand some of the comments, but i feel its a shame that kite buggying cannot be recognised as its own sport! It is. We are a seperate organisation. the affiliation with the British Federation of Land & Sand Yachts gives us the backing of a nationaly recognised body & access to compotiton on a Global Scale. We are having sites regulated by another sport. No were not. The sites are regulated by the Land owner. LYCs have negotiated with the Authoritys to use the beach/field. Im sorry but in my opinion our buggies and boards are not land yachts speed sails or whatever they want to call them. I can't see y we cant stand up for ourselves! after all the LYA had to start somewhere so why cant we? Well a kite buggy is a Class8 LY but thats just semantics I guess. We both want access to the same thing. Massive beaches. In certain areas the LA want to deal with ONE organisation (its all about accountability) The LYC's were there first Why shouldnt we join in. Perhaps the question should be why should we bother doing it from Scratch? There is a working system in place, OK they have had a few problems recently, They freely admit they know little about buggying but we are educating them & they(OK most of them) are more than willing to help. They understand there (LYC)membership is falling & that kiting can help swell there numbers & increase there voice in the local community. intergration can work, anyone whos a member of WSYC will tell you that. Whats the real pi55er is that most of the bad blood comes from with in the kiting community. LYers are (mostly) very friendly approachable people. most of the problems the PKA have encountered is down to not talking to people & assuming there not willing to help. I am constantly supprised that such a small sport manages to support so many ego's. LandYachts & buggys etc are different but we want exactly the same sort of site to practice our chosen sport. No LandYachter is going to dictate the way buggy racing develops or tell you what you can & cant do on a open beach. Steve Quote
soothing_duck Posted February 17, 2003 Report Posted February 17, 2003 Just a few questions I would like to know before I decide weather to join the PKA as im a BBC already. All my questions regard kiteing in all its forms. How many members as the PKA got at this moment in time?. What is the PKA doing about access to Lytham? Why is a national club holding its AGM so far south? What are the members that left the PKA doing or did they just step down from the commitee? If people dont join what would happen if they just turned up and buggy anyway? Would i need to have a licence to race at lets say at middle wallop? What beach access gains as the PKA made over the winter? As there been any gain at Lytham? What gets me is, I thought the PKA was sticking up for us (as in all kiters) but from where i sit it seems just the same as the day of the accident. I do feel ever strongly for this sport and access to my local beach in the main (selfish I know but I dont see anyone talking about up north). At the end of the day the fact is united we stand devided we fall, we have to move fast and get this show on the road now, as the winter seems to have been wasted. Quote
tvinson Posted February 17, 2003 Author Report Posted February 17, 2003 Mick Parsons is currently negotiating access to Pembrey The PKA comitee want to ensure that racing is organised this year Me plus a few others want to see blanket access to all locations by the summer Don't know how many members there are but I'm providing a work around for this The EGM was called by the secretary and he's the secretary and he decides where these things are - he's stepping down If yo don't join then your insurance is valid so long as you have access - that's not the point though as you will need as a minimum of associate memberhsip to use any site with a club in power by the end of the season Don't know about Lytham, we're working up a support group and looking for feedback before I go to the PKA with proposals Over the winter the PKA secured access to the same number of locations that the BBC did i.e. none - that's why I'm doing this, becasue with the help of a few others, includign yourself if you want in, we're going to make sure we get what we want. We're doing it by doing it though rather than just talking about it. That's the difference If you want to help contact me offline tvinson@hotmail.com 07939 021205 Quote
Marcus Edwards Posted February 17, 2003 Report Posted February 17, 2003 Please note that Middle Wallop is not an opportunity to organise impromptu races, unless they are organised through Mike Shaw BEFORE the event. See the Middle Wallop Offical Press Release Quote
Symo Posted February 18, 2003 Report Posted February 18, 2003 So the PKA that is formed by yourselves after the EGM will have more focussed goals than the last ie you want to 1 - Be the de facto body for race organisation in the UK 2 - Represent recreational buggying. 3 - Represent ATB's 4 - Provide a framework which individuals can use to organize their own events 5 - Provide a unified body for local councils to deal with. 6 - Promote the sports of ATB and Buggying to the sports council and gain recognition for funds for worlds and euros. 7 - Promote the sports to the mdeia. Is this correct? In which case I will say yes, however I do have one more question, could the cost of membership be reduced to say £25? Got to go now, Portugal with work. For a job at a Brewery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate my job most of the time but this is manna from heaven Symo Quote
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