Squarehead666 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 Oh man.....I so want a 6.5m Blade V in 'Pikey'! Quote
Jay586 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 Yep, I can fly LEIs on water but was told I would kill myself learning to board with them and I'm probably way heavier than you. Quote
GeorgeFromDevon Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 i have the same size pkd as yours, my aim is 8-10m access but im doing it slowly i have got a bar for my kite and today i have been using a harness and on monday i have a 5m ozone flow coming which i have already had a fly of (thanks benbardon) I will use with out the harness untill i am 100% happy that i can control it and have a few sessions without crashing, then in a few months i will have my access if the wind stays good and i dont get fired from my job lol. take things slow Quote
mick Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 Yep, I can fly LEIs on water but was told I would kill myself learning to board with them and I'm probably way heavier than you. Lets face it, an lei with good depower and safety system is a darned sight safer than a big foil, Blade 10.5 mtre in Ralph colour scheme. and you' re safer with a depower I think. George, I wouldn't say that the Access is the best boarding kite you would buy. If you're boarding, you'll want a bit of lift and certainly as you progress, you'll want to jump, I'm sure. The Access, although it has some lift is designed not to have much. If I was spending on a depower for boarding on land then I'd go Frenzy, Manta, HQ or certainly the Air Evo. Light wind Summer kite of around 10 - 12 mtre and a high wind 7 mtre maybe and 07 onward. They would have to match my Nova color scheme which is called 'Saturday Nite' Its a combination of pukey orange and sh1tey brown. Very nice . I aint knockin PL's but they wouldn't be my first choice. I like to be totally autonomous. Quote
Zippy Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) An Access is a great kite to board with both for learning and cross-country type flying. As with all kites there is lift but the Access is not designed with jumping in mind so has no float. Basically it will lift you fast and drop you like a brick. It is still very good to basic land board with. If you want traction alone then they are awesome. As for the air evo, forget it! unless of course you are flying in hilly ranges and have experience, they are excellent on the side of a hill. The manta is a lovely kite that takes skill to get the best from but works for basic fliers it is not as grunty as a frenzy so is probably a darned good choice from what I read. Edited January 16, 2011 by Zippy Quote
mick Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 So Zippy, what was your feelings about him going to the lei at this point? Quote
Zippy Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 So Zippy, what was your feelings about him going to the lei at this point? On the land alone? Forget it. As nice as they are they are a pain on land compared to a foil. If its to be used on water as well they yes it could be a good choice. However they are prone to exploding when slammed into the hard floor rather that water. Experience is a key issue. The overall deciding factors are many which is why I have not really gotten into talking LEI in this thread. I thought he was going to be on land. Quote
mick Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Well I was going from his first post where he said he was having trouble with a 2 mtre foil. Read it and see what you think. Quote
KciN Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 are we talking about the same person as the person who started this thread as its a women Quote
KiteKim Posted January 16, 2011 Author Report Posted January 16, 2011 are we talking about the same person as the person who started this thread as its a women Thank you! The main reason I was going LEI is you can pick up decent 2nd hand kites without spending loads. I couldn't find many 2nd hand foils or am I missing a trick? I'm going 2nd hand because my budget is not massive. Quote
Zippy Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Nothing wrong with 2nd hand kites as long as they have been looked after. I understand your theory on lei's being cheaper to get hold of but if you slam it to the ground on land it is more likely to get damaged than a foil. With out experience you could be wasting your money. If you are competent in flying depower then not really a problem. Quote
mick Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Which I don't believe Kim is competant to use an lei on land yet. I may be wrong. Kim, sorry about the gender swap . Leis are a lot cheaper BUT thats not a lot of use if, as the Zippa says, you slam it into the ground. You can pick up a half reasonable Frenzy for not a lot or an Access. I believe giving a miss to Sabres, certainly Mk1 would be a good move. Zippy, over to you. Quote
Zippy Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 An 05 Frenzy should go for around the £250 mark now and they are good for their year, dont get an 06! Any of the Access's are good too, my preference is the XC over all others though. Manta's are all good kites also and less grunty than a Frenzy. You could even look at the HQ range as well as they are good value for money and generally a lot cheaper than their Ozone equivalents. DO AVOID Sabre's they are not very nice on the whole. Air Evos although great kites were really designed with hills in mind so avoid these as well. It would be money better spent to get a foil compared to an LEI on land especially if it is to learn depower with. What sort of weight are you Kim? It will be easier to advise the size of kite to get if we know this information. Quote
KiteKim Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Posted January 17, 2011 So... Don't go for an LEI, get a frenzy or an access or go for the HQ range. Right. Also, ATB shop offer depower kite lessons, I'm guessing that be a worthwhile investment (so I don't kill myself learning to fly it!). I weigh about 70kg. Quote
Zippy Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 So... Don't go for an LEI, get a frenzy or an access or go for the HQ range. Right. Also, ATB shop offer depower kite lessons, I'm guessing that be a worthwhile investment (so I don't kill myself learning to fly it!). I weigh about 70kg. There is no right or wrong but there is not wasting your money and buying rubbish. There are other brands and models available but what we have suggested is kites that fly well and are excellent fun/value for money with good safety systems and quality. Up to you if you spend your hard earned on lessons, maybe you could save a few quid and go chat with some of the locals. Most male kiters are only too willing to help a damsel in distress There are some good fliers your way that could show you the ropes if you make the effort to ask. You may even get to have a try on their kites! At your weight my recommendation for a 1st depower that will serve you well is something like a 7m Frenzy, 8m Manta, 8m Access, 7m HQ Montana as examples. You will be able to fly these kites from 10mph up to 20+mph when you get used to them. The summer is coming along with the warmer less punchy air currents so a 7/8m kite will serve you well. If you want a higher wind kite then I would go for the 6m Access or similar. I had a Mk1 8m Manta and miss it dearly I also had 6m Access XC and equally miss that both for the winds I flew them in but I am 90kg so used them in higher winds than you would be able too. If I could suggest 2 that I am sure you would be really happy with, I would say to go for either the Manta 8m or the 8m Access of any year. Quote
GeorgeFromDevon Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 i had my heart set on an Ozone access XT 8M but im now thinking about a frenzy as i would quite like to get into freestyle in time. kim i would try and have a go on as many kites as you can and see what feels right =] i was planning to get a 4m hornet and thought that 5m was a bit big but i had a go on one and it was so easy and i whent on my board and just put the kite in the side of the window and was cruising along not like the constant looping and fig o 8s like the 2.2 soulfly, Quote
KciN Posted January 17, 2011 Report Posted January 17, 2011 You really should seek out other flyers... you will learn so much even if its just one session and could even try out some new gear maybe Quote
LABen2010 Posted January 18, 2011 Report Posted January 18, 2011 After reading the above and putting it with my experience then I would highly recommend the HQ Montana (probably 7.5m). I've only been landboarding for just over a year now. Flown plenty of different fixed bridles before coming across to depower. Flown LEI's, ARCs and depower foils. Out of the three I personally preferred the foils for on land. I have flown the montana and get on very well with it. I bought the manta and it has been a massive learning curve although it is starting to come together now. I find the montana easier to fly than the manta but I do like a challenge so will stick with it. For the price difference though, I would say the HQ is definitely worth looking at. My mate has a montana now and it cost him two-thirds of the price that my manta cost me and really is a lovely kite to fly as an up and coming beginner! If you were local then you would be welcome to have a go on both kites but would be quite a long drive unfortunately. Good luck with whichever kite you end up with Quote
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