FO Kite Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Not sure about rolling up to the stake, I've got into the habit of taking my stake with me. Don't leave it sticking in the ground fo some kid to trip over and it goes in a sleeve on the neck of the buggy. Find I also may want to drop the kite away from the pits area. I have also lost a few stakes in the past by forgetting where they were .... old age I know ... so I take it with me. Quote
thedogsbollox Posted January 19, 2009 Report Posted January 19, 2009 Not sure about rolling up to the stake, I've got into the habit of taking my stake with me. Don't leave it sticking in the ground fo some kid to trip over and it goes in a sleeve on the neck of the buggy. Find I also may want to drop the kite away from the pits area. I have also lost a few stakes in the past by forgetting where they were .... old age I know ... so I take it with me. It is a good idea to cover the stake with a bag with something in it. You won't loose it and nobody should trip over it. Quote
mick Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Not sure about rolling up to the stake, I've got into the habit of taking my stake with me. Don't leave it sticking in the ground fo some kid to trip over and it goes in a sleeve on the neck of the buggy. Find I also may want to drop the kite away from the pits area. I have also lost a few stakes in the past by forgetting where they were .... old age I know ... so I take it with me. To be honest, if some kid is poking around my kit, I hope he does trip over. I try tho not to kite near kids, especially when the wind is very strong. I also keep a stake on my buggy but I use the stake in the ground to secure my kite bag down, if I don't take it with me. Quote
catdog1121 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Not sure about rolling up to the stake, I've got into the habit of taking my stake with me. Don't leave it sticking in the ground fo some kid to trip over and it goes in a sleeve on the neck of the buggy. Find I also may want to drop the kite away from the pits area. I have also lost a few stakes in the past by forgetting where they were .... old age I know ... so I take it with me. To be honest, if some kid is poking around my kit, I hope he does trip over. I try tho not to kite near kids, especially when the wind is very strong. I also keep a stake on my buggy but I use the stake in the ground to secure my kite bag down, if I don't take it with me. For the sake of £10 you can buy a stake holster, I simply attatch this to my back rest on the side depending on which way I will be heading, never understood why people dont take stakes with them, if you get in trouble the other end of the beach ur stake is no good possibly a mile away. doing this also means I land the kite, walk back to the buggy with brake likes on, then grab the stake and stake the kite, this solves the having to walk forward to the stake. Also for me shows the dangers of being captive, you cant unhook while flying the kite very easily, using say a roller bar spreader would have totally eleviated this problem as he could have been unhooked. And I agree with the guy about kite killers, ive been flying a fair few years, only been buggying last year or so but would not dream of going without the kite killers, if there is something I have learnt its power kites and wind can be unpredictable and kite killers allow me to at any point say stuff it, let go of the handles knowing what will happen. Remember guys safety above all else, some people may think kite killers etc are for beginners, but that looks like a nasty break, wish him the best in his recovery. Quote
LichRich Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Pretty much always land my kite while still in the buggy that way if a gust does take it again the buggy will just roll forward rather than drag me off balance for a 20ft faceplant. I never take my seatbelt off or unharness until my kite is on the deck. Quote
Sand-Yeti Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 I'm a definite B At my age I like to use the kite to help me out of the buggy !!!!!!!!!!! Yep! definitely an age thing or I'm just bone idle. I park my car under a tree with my trailers till hitched behind. I normally scrub off speed and stop right by my trailer, which means I only have to roll it 2 or 3 feet to load it on trailer later. As I drop my kite I use just a bit of wind power to pull me up and out of my buggy. I have constructed my trailer with posts along the sides for the purpose of hanging kite handles , i.e, no ground stake required. Only thing I have to be careful of is that I park my car under a tree and have to watch that I don't catch my lines in it. Sometimes I can't get as close to my trailer as I like because one or more of the other boys has dropped a kite, leaving lines and/or buggy in the way. Here's where I buggy right up to. Note the posts along the side of the trailer for hanging kite handles on. http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/Sand-Yeti/RzrBugGhaf.jpg I usually stop just at the left rear of the trailer as the winds prevail from the right http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/Sand-Yeti/GhafViolation01.jpg I have been parking at this tree for a couple years like this now even when I used my old trailer. I always used the B method of at the end of a session to stop at the rear of my trailer. In the following pic. mine is the smaller of the two trailers. The multi story trailer is Dubai Red Dragon's http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/Sand-Yeti/Ghaftree-1.jpg Except for fluffyWOO, we all use the 'B' method & stop sat in our buggies as close to our cars & trailers as possible. Sorry to hear about Jim's injury and hope it won't take too long before he's back in the buggy. Quote
White Squall Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 We have problems loosing kite stakes, your playground is so big you have to park your cars under a tree to find them again Quote
Sand-Yeti Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 We have problems losing kite stakes, your playground is so big you have to park your cars under a tree to find them again Finding trees is difficult enough, let alone kite stakes. Quote
Croftland1 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Cheers for all the concern and well wishes fellas. I've seen all sorts of launch and landing methods employed by a great many buggiers, boarders and static fliers. I've also seem all sorts of **** ups both in and out of buggies resulting from a wide variety of reasons. I, like most experienced fliers, can feel where the kite is and what it's doing without necessarily looking at it, so on this occasion, with it raised safely to zenith and holding handles close together infront of me, I was confident to walk forward to my stake glancing away from and back to the kite as necessary. (The stake that was left in the pits was one of those corkscrew dog stakes with nylon ribbons tied to the top. Conventional stakes are carried on the Bug for other unplanned stops.) Unfortunately, having just wet the kite moments before in some very shallow surface water, its characteristics were radically changed. It dived to one side and as much as I fought it, I was going! Whichever method you use and however safe you think you are, there is an element of risk from gusts, soft sand, worn equipment, public, other fliers, obstacles, wet kites as in my case, or just complacency or lack of concentration. Like all men think they're the safest driver in the world, kite fliers can suffer the same confidence issue. Just remember that we're only mere mortal lumps of flesh and bone. Kites can produce amazing acceleration and power us along at 50+mph. It therefore stands to reason that they can make a fine old mess of us if they choose to. I've got a long time to ponder that now unfortunately. Quote
RedWineRacer Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Also for me shows the dangers of being captive, you cant unhook while flying the kite very easily, using say a roller bar spreader would have totally eleviated this problem as he could have been unhooked. Q. If the guys were unable to pull the quick release from a captive system what chance would they have had to prise the strop out of a roller or a spreader bar under load? A. None Quote
Croftland1 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 What he means is I could have unhooked the strop before standing up out of the buggy, then when the kite misbehaved, I could have just let go. I used to fly with a roller spreader, but the trouble with them is, they'll come unhooked unexpectedly sometimes and that can cause a whole load of problems of its own. Quote
Nas Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 I unhook my QR then get out of the buggy.I brake the kite and have a friend walk over to the windward side of the kite and put a few stones on it. Then I lat go of the handles . There is no shortage of stones where I buggy. Never tried stakes although I am sure when there are many buggiers it the safest way. However when we buggy we are rarely more than three buggies at any one time in a very large space. I almost never land the kite from the buggy and I rarely kite alone,but when I do I just land the kite, drop the handles ,and run over fast to put some weight on it. Quote
craig.w1599968638 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 im strapped in so dont often get out to land and often launch sat in as well, but i do sometimes undo and stand up out the buggy but not that often Quote
flydad Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 im strapped in so dont often get out to land and often launch sat in as well, but i do sometimes undo and stand up out the buggy but not that often how do you manage through the front door? Quote
scud49841599968587 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Posted January 21, 2009 Cheers for all the concern and well wishes fellas. . hi Jim,, damn i bet that took ages to write.. Hope you are feeling better n your arm isnt still feeling like its flying all over the place.. I wasnt insinuating that you`d done anything wrong with this thread, i was just trying to gauge ppls idea`s on the landings of kites.. Like you said,, it can happen to anyone of us. The clubhouse was a bit subdued when you left,,... Hope the missus aint ribbed you too much Quote
Croftland1 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Cheers for all the concern and well wishes fellas. . hi Jim,, damn i bet that took ages to write.. Hope you are feeling better n your arm isnt still feeling like its flying all over the place.. I wasnt insinuating that you`d done anything wrong with this thread, i was just trying to gauge ppls idea`s on the landings of kites.. Like you said,, it can happen to anyone of us. The clubhouse was a bit subdued when you left,,... Hope the missus aint ribbed you too much No probs Scud, I know where you're coming from there, don't worry. I think your 'staying in the buggy in high wind' theory has a lot of credence tbh The arm's stabilised a lot now. It still feels a bit disconnected (which it is obviously) but the sharp shooting pain has stopped, thank god, and it doesn't feel like its waving around at shoulder height anymore. The hand and arm is quite swollen now and tight in the cast. Sue's been great and very supportive. She was just very worried on the day and so may have looked as though she was miffed Sorry it put a downer on the day, cause it was great up until that point. Nevermind, there'll be more opportunities to sample Hoylake again I'm sure. Quote
royster Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 i aways launch and land sat in my buggy. as im always strapped in and kite connecked, i just pull up to my kit, kite at zennith then put the handles togetther hit the brakes when the kites on the ground if its still pulling, pull a load of brake line with the other hand and ask someone to help me. never use a stake and if i did would always pull it out before i ride off as everyone should (not very nice being dragged over the top of one stuck in the ground) Quote
CeeJay Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 just thought i'd add a bit to Jims defence.... Ive been flying for about five years and met Jim on BLS many a time (he lives within site and a buggy drag of the beach, lucky sod), never seen him anything other than a very accomplished and safe flier. I've never seen him in any situation both in and out of the buggy since i've known him. Something like this can happen to anyone at any time no matter how safe you think you are! Hope it heals quick dude, see you down on the beach soon! Quote
thedogsbollox Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 just thought i'd add a bit to Jims defence.... Ive been flying for about five years and met Jim on BLS many a time (he lives within site and a buggy drag of the beach, lucky sod), never seen him anything other than a very accomplished and safe flier. I've never seen him in any situation both in and out of the buggy since i've known him. Something like this can happen to anyone at any time no matter how safe you think you are! Hope it heals quick dude, see you down on the beach soon! Good point made there. It don't matter how good or bad you are. It don't matter if you launch or land in or out of the buggy. If mother nature and any other aspects of our sport feel like biting you they will no matter who you are. Get wellsoon Quote
jeffrington Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 just thought i'd add a bit to Jims defence.... Ive been flying for about five years and met Jim on BLS many a time (he lives within site and a buggy drag of the beach, lucky sod), never seen him anything other than a very accomplished and safe flier. I've never seen him in any situation both in and out of the buggy since i've known him. Something like this can happen to anyone at any time no matter how safe you think you are! Hope it heals quick dude, see you down on the beach soon! My thoughts exactly I normally launch and land out of the buggy and having read through this i have no plans on changing, it was an unfortunate accident, no more no less. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing and we can all say if he had done this that or the other it wouldnt have happened, who's to say that if he had been sat in his buggy when this happened that he wouldnt have been dragged out of control and ploughed into other poeple and caused even more damage. Hope you heal quickly Croftland1 Quote
windjammer1599968715 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 jims a sound bloke shame it happend to him, i allways expect a spanking on the little race kites, can allways remember my first time with the rage 3.5m i got supermanned about 10 feet that day, but i did wear full body armour when i was a beginner Quote
catdog1121 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Is there really any safe way, there seems to be plus points to both arguments, really comes down to location, space, number of buggiers around and mainly what your most comfortable with. If ur most comfortable launching/landing from buggy then do it, if not dont. Think thats bout the safest way really. Sounds like a freak accident where with all the skill in the world it wouldnt have made a blind bit of difference. Just glad to hear your on the mend. Quote
BeamerBob Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I always let the kite pull me out of the buggy, then land the kite with the brakes while standing over where I left my stake (not stuck in the ground). After its on the ground, I grab some extra brake lines if the wind is high and don't let go till its staked tight. I've not had any scary moments with this technique. I don't like sitting in the buggy with a kite that can power up with my feet on the ground. Once stopped, I want out of the buggy. I can go to kite killers if something goes wrong beyond that. Never has. Quote
Sand-Yeti Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 can allways remember my first time with the rage 3.5m i got supermanned about 10 feet that day, but i did wear full body armour when i was a beginner I'm the otherway around. I have been regularly buggying close on 8 years. Less than 2 years into buggying , I had a wheel axle break at high speed & finished up with a smashed shoulder. Since that time I have always worn body armour. I left it off once just a month or so ago, had an OBE (Sod's Law) & came down on same shoulder. I could still buggy but it hurt quite a bit. I never bothered to get it checked and now it's like a dull ache when I move it into a certain position. Guess it doesn't matter how good one is at buggying, things can and do go wrong leaving one injured. Safe buggying everybody and don't be too proud to protect yourself as much as practically possible. Quote
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