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    eolo v flexi (the big fight) radsail pro verses blade

    in the red corner is the heavy weight big cheese weiging in at a shocking 379.95 pounds. sure to scare away all but the serious contenders. Trained and prepared by non other than the great kite designer andy preston.

    in the blue corner we have that fiesty little spanish under dog weighing in at a mere 139.99. a slip of its rival and not anywhere near as intimidating. managed and coached by errr again andy preston umm.

    ok we have all herd comparrisons between these kites and ive read them all. well i am going to look at it from a comletely new angle i will probobally take a few liberties and contradict a few peoples beleifs but for a moment forget the stigma and listen to reason

    there has long since been a divide between the Budget kite and the Quality kite. we have all herd terms like "get what you pay for" "cheep and cheerful" "great for beginners" "cut your teath on" "a cheap alternative" i decided to take an imparshal look into what all this means. so lets look at the stats

    both these kites are designed by the same person so we can assume the same time care and effort was put into them. sure enough the designs are different and the blade is higher in aspect ratio but wew are not looking at this we are simply looking at what it would mean to buy either.

    so they compare equally in design that leaves quality of materials and construction and handling.

    lets look at quality and construction

    why do we want better quality? so it looks better and lasts longer am i right. understandadly there are different grades of material, but we are looking at the end result. So i phoned a few kite dealers and they all told me that neither of the kites were returned in droves. suggesting that neither has any majour floors though there have been a few on both sides returned. so we know all batches have bad examples. one of them told me that as the radsails are cheaper they sell more and therfore have had more returned this however compared equally to any brand of kite mesuring amount returned for every hundred sold thats even taking in to count that you would generally take greater care of a kite costing closer to 400 quid. it is true to say that based on appearances the radsail is roughly sewn together where as the blade is fairly neat. because we can't test exactly how long each kite will last im going to give the point to the blade in theory it may last longer.

    handling

    why is this important. lots of people will say this kite handles better than this one and so on. but face it, it comes down to purpose. weather you are boarding, scudding, static, jumping its simple, can the kite do what you want. will it pull you will it lift you wil it drag you and so on and i think its safe to say yes they both do otherwise no one would buy either.

    sure enough people will argue that one is fater stronger or turns quicker than the other but what does that give you. i spoke to two guys at my local beach one flying a 5m radsail and one flying a 4.9 blade both riding mountain boards. i asked them both to describe their days flying and both stories were simmilar "wow great wind tonnes of speed up the beach a few scary moments" etc. both were grinning like mad men and keen to get back out there.

    ok so i suppose i have to give another point to the blade. again we cant prove anything as the two kiters i saw looked evenly mached but we will assume the blade was a bit quicker stronger and faster.

    in summary

    the blade appears to win hands down but look again quality blade may, (not proven) last longer but then with the money you saved buying the radsail you could buy another if it did fail and still have saved a hundred quid. as for looks of the two kites on the beach i couldnt see either's stitching at 25m so who cares.

    secondly handling

    both kites met their purpose and both kiters had fun (main aim) their non kiting partners probably wouldnt notice any decernable difference or care that the blade pulled faster and stronger meaning its rider topped 25mph on his board where as the rad pilot only hit 22mph i suppose you could say that greater handling statisticks will mean greater useabilty (time in the air) but again cosidering with the money saved you could buy a radsail pro 3m and a 2.5m and have three kites giving a much bigger wind range and flexability and of course spare handles and lines an another bag should you need them. so i think really its not a question of which kite is best its more about competition and status, people pay the money to be better than the next guy or so they are not thought as, as cheap. in material cost i really dont think that blade is worth in materials what they charge for it the profit made on one kite will be more than the radsail and therfore in my oppinion think the radsail is a better value for money it will give you practically the same experiance at a fraction of the cost.

    i think if they cost the same we'd all buy the blade but they don't. so i think its time we all stopped running these great kites down saying "good for a budget kite" "great for beginners" they are good full stop and undoubtedly a better deal than the dearer option.

    i challenge anyone to show me somthing that their flexifoil can do that my radsails cant thats woth the extra 200 odd quid. its just madness and with the new extreme range they have even sorted the handles out. so go and buy a radsail and spend the money you save on your wife/ husband it might just save your marriage.

    please feel free to express the full range of your views as all are welcome and i truly wish someone could tell me why its worth paying more

    i challenge you convert me if you can.

    By : DNash

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    Totally agree with all your comments, I'm a big fan of Radsails and think they are excellent value, good kites all round and also look really nice. However I'm also a big fan of blades, I think they are very different kites - Rads are more pedestrian, blades are more racy (as overall packages which means that this is an entirely subjective opinion) BUT I can't afford a blade whereas I can afford a rad. Also I'd be interested to fly these two and a CF back to back to compare, the CF seemingly to represent the middle ground of these do it all kites. Interesting reading.

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    Apart from the recent drops in price for the Sabre's, totally agree with the over priced flexifoils. I have flown the Radsail 6m pro 1, a little bit on a 3m, 4m + 6.6m blade and Crossfire 4m + 5m. It's a bit of a brute, not that charming, but as you say, it delivers power and is a great kite for people wanting to get static air. I don't know what the blades are like in low winds, but my experience with the 6m Rad was that it was a bit crap in low winds, quite a heavy kite, and you seem to put all your effort into turning the thing in low winds. This is where the crossfire seems to excel (my 5m vs 6m mates), and flying them back to back, I think that if you are looking for traction (buggy/board) the better money goes on the CF (over the radsail - certainly for control). DNash, need a review on the 7m Radsail pro2, want to see if this could be a good budget summer wind kite, hope to see a few improvements.

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    top notch review, i fully agree that radsails are great, havnt flown a blade(and am partially scared to, due to peoples descriptions of them) so cant comment on it, but i agree that flexis prices are far too high and the rads are becoming more popular because they are truely great kites that are sooo underrated!

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    I agree entirely especially with the new handles on the PRO II (2006) models. Further as far as weight goes, these kites are made with as lightweight a fabric as most any kites out there. Even the ones with top notch paraglider fabric. At least the nominal wieght is comparable. No fabric company makes a cheap 42g/sqm fabric like is used on these kites. Some argue against polyester or nylon but again there isn't a clear winner in comparisons. And finally since these kites lack diagonal ribs of one sort or another they have to be lighter than a great many "top line" kites that have these features. I can't believe they're really that heavy... Unless its in the bridling... There is no competition when price is considered (and most of us have to consider price.) Much as I'd love to have one of everything (Flysurfer Speed anyone??) I simply can't justify 5 times the cost of a similarly sized Radsail Pro II.

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    On the surface seems like a good reveiw and if all the facts are right then yes it is, i am assuming you are comparing like for like with these kites as your argument for the radsail is based on the kite having the same designer'Andy preston' whome infact is the designer of the original blade and not the mk3, so assuming you are comparing the rad with the mk 1 blade then the blade has got to win on quality and value as both can behad for the saME MONEY, ABOUT

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    Interesting review. I've flown a Blade 3 (i think) 4.9 a couple of times in light winds and wasn't impressed. I guess the power 'switches on' as the wind gets past a certain speed, whereas at the same speed the 5m CF is pulling away enough for me to scud already, and over 15mph has more than enough power & lift to make me feel small & insignificant thankyou very much. So why the big difference in price indeed....... The plot thickens.....

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    I few a 3m Blade III with a 3m Rad Pro back to back yesterday. The Blade was much more agressive with it's on/off power and far more sensative to the gusts than the same sized Radsail. Upwind on my moutainboard I couldn't tell them apart, except that the Blade collapsed more in lull of the gusts. Speed runs, the Blade won by a small but noticable margin. Learning to board in poor winds, take a Radsail. Technical flying in smooth winds, take the Blade.

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    Great review. I've flown neither, having an old Skytiger 26, and the other 'quality' comparitor to the Blade/Rage a 5m Samurai. The crucial comment is ................................... "fit for purpose" both kites do just that... the choice is detaermined by the depth of your pockets, and what other 'life commitments' you have. I'm thinking of a replacement for my Skytiger.... yes I'd love a 2m Sam, but will probably look to the Rad Pro Range, cos I haven't the dosh. (or possibly the CF..... decisions, decisions!)

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    I own a Radsail Pro II 7.0 and what a kite it is, quality seems fine for it's price, its smooth in most winds and flys fast for it's size. People only go for the Blades because everyone else does, you can pick up a new 7m Rad off ebay for under

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    I would say that it is based alot on who is going to get it and what they want from a kite, the blade would be much better value for say a boarder on a budget, like me, who wants an agressive kite to get some stupid airs with, so for me it'd be the blade hands down, but blades arent to everyones tastes, so people who want to do some nice little jumps, the radsail could suit them alright

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    Best review I have seen to date... I am a firm believer in "good deals" be it cheap and great quality, (see Eolo) I own the 2.4 and there buggy rocks for the money! Or just vastly reduced prices, you cant put one over the other. I must confess I am actually a little "anti flexifoil" as I just do not know how they can justify the prices they charge! Lets see more reviews like this one, intelligent and well thought out!

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    This is a review about standards. Prices may differ but standards don't. I'm afraid if your standards are low enough you'll be impressed with a Radsail. Personally having flown both I would suggest the Blade is superior in every department, build quality, speed, lift and handling. It sits tight in the air and holds it's shape - the Rad wobbles like a plate of jelly and the tolerances in the cells is definately built to a price. HOWEVER - the Rad represents good value for money for the general flyer, hell it's a bargain - but it won't touch a Blade for performance and quality. How Flexifoil price their kit is up to them, the real value is on Ebay where second hand Blades still do well. Good review, it raised a debate!!

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    the blade and the radsails are totally different kites in my opinion... The lift on a 4.9 blade IV is much higher than on a radsails 5. The quality of radsails is OK but the blades are better overal, sewing etc... ESPECIALLY THE BRIDALS... If you buy a blade, or any ozone, you know you're set for years. When you buy a radsails, its going to last a few years, and then you'll have to replace it or replace the bridal... you pay for what you get, a good cheap kite, and the blade is a top range model

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