morleyman200 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 is the takoon furia and e-nova Quote
ManDog Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Posted October 25, 2007 Monkey Griffin!! Nuff said Trouble is I will most likely be looking at the second hand market and there doesnt seem to be many of these around. I am trying not to spend much at all being a noob to and having only done an IKO level one course previous am new to the inflatable market. is the takoon furia and e-nova e-nova looks like a contender, the furia seems to be not recommended for begginer. Quote
Zippy Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 They are cheap to buy dude. All round price for them is far less than the likes of the others! I got my 12m for £280 complete. Ok it was 2nd hand but in great condition. With the new 08's out soon there could be a few coming up. Trust me they rock too! This is my 1st bow and it is awesome. The quality does not slip for the price either. They are very well made. With an acclaimed 100% depower too it is very safe, and I have never ever had an issue or felt unsafe on it. infact i lose too much power if i am not careful! It enabled me to get into jumping with no effort. Now my Frenzy is a doddle to jump after trying the Griffin. It pops you up like a rocket and floats you around for a lifetime, if you want it too. Seriously try one out. You will not regret it, guaranteed Quote
ManDog Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Posted October 25, 2007 Sorry slightly off topic Aside from ebay and the for sale section on here, where else is a good place to find secondhand kites? Quote
ManDog Posted October 25, 2007 Author Report Posted October 25, 2007 Sorry slightly off topic Aside from ebay and the for sale section on here, where else is a good place to find secondhand kites? Quote
Zippy Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 Sorry slightly off topic Aside from ebay and the for sale section on here, where else is a good place to find secondhand kites? Word and mouth is a good place and also, with known sellers & nearly always with chance to try b4 you buy!! Otherwise other forums but this is the most popular. Quote
Bertie Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 my mate just got a griffin 07 from kitesurf warehouse. £420 for a 12 with bar and lines brand new. might be worth asking! Quote
Zippy Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 my mate just got a griffin 07 from kitesurf warehouse. £420 for a 12 with bar and lines brand new. might be worth asking! Now thats a real bargain, as anyone will find out when they fly one KiteSurf Warehouse are very friendly and helpful too. Check out this thread for other opinions.... http://community.flexifoil.com/showthread.php?t=103050 5th line can be fitted as a single line straight to centre, or various angle twin connection 'V' with ease! Im trying to find the photo showing this. The 12m is now only £299. Kite + Bag only. Quote
sidmaniac Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 Why flag out on 'ONE FRONT LINE'?- Just a question, Surely different brand kites with different bridal systems, have a preferential flag point. Doe's it really matter so long as it works? For instance I normally fly my waroo's clipped to the double depower reride system on the depower rope, that's 'cos I want tangle free loops. If the sh*t hits the fan it would be better to be leashed to the OSH before firing. Just wondering if adapting the best bar so it operates like the EH bar may be a better option and if the waroos flag out ok on a front line? You want a system that flags the kite On ONE FRONT LINE. not back line, and does not just give you an extra bit of depower with a safety line that connects to the deopwer strap i.e does not flag the kite. Quote
andrewlcblueyo Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 Flag out onto one line = complete kill of power - what you probably are looking for if you pull the safety. Regardless of wind conditions the kite will fall out of the sky with no power. Best type system and some others effectively just flags the kite onto both centre lines and is not really different from just letting go of the bar as far as I understand it. In this situation the kite is relatively depowered and should sit at the edge of the wind window. HOWEVER it could still pull you in windy / gusty conditions, in which case the bar is miles away and you have no other options apart from losing the kite. Don't think it is possible to adapt a Best bar to become like an EH bar, or the new Slingshot Rev bar. The EH bar is not really applicable to many other Bow kites because the depower throw is much shorter. The Slingshot Rev bar, as far as I know, would be OK on other Bow kites, but the easy relaunch might not be so good because the Rev has a very compact bridle which won't tangle when the safety is used. Quote
Bertie Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 i have both a cabrinha switchblade 1 and 2, the 1 goes to front line and the 2 to rear. the front makes it drop perfectly on the floor, the rear makes it spin and fly all over the place and hit the ground hard. im thinking of adapting the bar, its dangerous to self land in strong wind when it does that Quote
ptben Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 The Blade Beast flags to a front line and the Vertigo to a 5th line rather than OSH. I've not had a problem with either in strong winds. Quote
kiteingcolin Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 the flagging out on one line is a saftey issiue, if you have the one line saftey system then no problems when you fire off the saftey or a line breaks,(as it so often does on the bridle kites with pully wear) i have seen 3 line snaps on different warroo's over 12 months and one situation where adrian on a 5mtr warroo on rossniger beach was caught in a massive overpower situation, all users were all given a hard and scary dragging because the warroo bar only allows you to go out to maximum depower when you pull the saftey fine for normal conditions, but not when a steering line snaps or you are caught in a massive overpower situation, or any sort of line tangle the kite will loop itself silly after you release after a line break and even a 5mtr kite will drag you up the beach on maximum depower because the kite in severe winds arcs accross the window from one side to the other and the bar is out of reach so your toast in that situation, i love warroo's but now use an EH bar for all my kites including the warroo, there are lots of 07/08 kites out there that only leash out on to two front lines, but you have the option of clipping on to the o £hitt handle which allows the kite to flag out, but then kite spins are not possible, and the outside lines are more likely to be the ones that snap, the risk gets bigger as the wind gets stronger, Quote
iant84 Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 Anybody heard of Starkites? http://www.starkites.com/ Found brand new '06 ones for fairly cheap on ebay (£300 rtf inc. delivery) I don't know if they are any good though, maybe worth a shot. Quote
zimboflyman Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 thanks for the reply's on rebel RE: 5th line - will wait till I get the right bar... good luck with the hunt Mandog!!! Quote
sidmaniac Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 the flagging out on one line is a saftey issiue, if you have the one line saftey system then no problems when you fire off the saftey or a line breaks,(as it so often does on the bridle kites with pully wear) i have seen 3 line snaps on different warroo's over 12 months and one situation where adrian on a 5mtr warroo on rossniger beach was caught in a massive overpower situation, all users were all given a hard and scary dragging because the warroo bar only allows you to go out to maximum depower when you pull the saftey fine for normal conditions, but not when a steering line snaps or you are caught in a massive overpower situation, or any sort of line tangle the kite will loop itself silly after you release after a line break and even a 5mtr kite will drag you up the beach on maximum depower because the kite in severe winds arcs accross the window from one side to the other and the bar is out of reach so your toast in that situation, i love warroo's but now use an EH bar for all my kites including the warroo, there are lots of 07/08 kites out there that only leash out on to two front lines, but you have the option of clipping on to the o £hitt handle which allows the kite to flag out, but then kite spins are not possible, and the outside lines are more likely to be the ones that snap, the risk gets bigger as the wind gets stronger, So, Colin are u convinced that the waroo's are ok to flag out on one front line. I cannot see why it is not possible to run a front line on the waroo bar to a stopper ball and mini 5th line? Quote
KiteItRight Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 Flag out onto one line = complete kill of power - what you probably are looking for if you pull the safety. Regardless of wind conditions the kite will fall out of the sky with no power. Best type system and some others effectively just flags the kite onto both centre lines and is not really different from just letting go of the bar as far as I understand it. In this situation the kite is relatively depowered and should sit at the edge of the wind window. HOWEVER it could still pull you in windy / gusty conditions, in which case the bar is miles away and you have no other options apart from losing the kite. Don't think it is possible to adapt a Best bar to become like an EH bar, or the new Slingshot Rev bar. The EH bar is not really applicable to many other Bow kites because the depower throw is much shorter. The Slingshot Rev bar, as far as I know, would be OK on other Bow kites, but the easy relaunch might not be so good because the Rev has a very compact bridle which won't tangle when the safety is used. The trouble with the best bar is the following The **** hits the fan ... - the leader line wraps around the bar you pull the safety, and the kite is stil loopng uncontroably out of your reach. The kite goes down in waves, and you have an inabilty to flag the kite so every wave gets stuck in the kite as its sitting on the the water nose down, so you end up your getting dragged forward under the water every time the wave passes over the kite.. Not PLEASENT A squall comes in you pull the rleease the kite stil up there on "100%" depower. This happed to me and its blo*dy scary i was getting lofted up the beach over and over again. You get tangled with someone elses lines. pulle the quickrelease and the kite is looping ouf of control. The other option is to flag a back line. ie out the safety on the oh ****. but you cannot spin the bar and pulling the QR means the kite wil spin over and over and over until it hits the water meaning a potential long swim. not safe and not conveiniet. A front line flag means a spinning bar, a flagged kite, and the ablilty to easily relaunch. simple.. Im not sure what kites the EH bar works on, but there is plenty of depower on a waroo kite, as Colin knows. The throw is perfectly ok even for a beginner. Not sure on other kites tho Quote
sidmaniac Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 Some of those scenarios are a bit dooming, but I agree, are feasible. A foolproof and failure proof safety system has yet to be invented. I have never had any problems with the best bar, but have never fired the CL to the double depower. I have used the flag out system in the waves after I have got into problems and had time to change my leashing point to the osh, fire the CL and then affect a self rescue and packdown. I did recently witness a person having a problem after firing the CL onto the re ride system on a downed kite. The wind was 30mph mind, and the kite was 9m. I felt he should have unclipped his reride, grabbed the osh and then fired the CL as he was almost on the beach. I agree that a better system is a front line flag out that creates a neater system. Not sure if the new best bar will include this. Apart from that, the best bar still has some good points but I am sure can be modded to incorporate the good features of other bars. So, really this thread is not just about the bow kite list. But if you forgive the pun- has 'flagged' up some other very important considerations. i.e. the bar that goes with the kite. Quote
kiteingcolin Posted October 25, 2007 Report Posted October 25, 2007 So, Colin are u convinced that the waroo's are ok to flag out on one front line. I cannot see why it is not possible to run a front line on the waroo bar to a stopper ball and mini 5th line? you can easily fix up a system using the warroo bar and lines, all you need are two small rings a plastic stopper ball and 30 mins to do it, but your not left with a full spinning system, to do that the front line has to come through the center of the loop along with a small knot from inside the stopper ball, as far as i know only EH bars can do the complete job, core bars look the same as below, but a knot will not pass through the middle http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m237/kiteingcolin/core_chickenloop_146.jpg Quote
ManDog Posted October 26, 2007 Author Report Posted October 26, 2007 Looking on ebay I came across the Starkite ads but I think i'll steer clear as nobody has rated them and some of the gear looks cheap and plastic like. There seems a good deal on Cabrinha Omega's rtf £419 Don't know though perhaps im still best going for a second hand piece not keen on trashing brand new gear. Quote
Bertie Posted October 26, 2007 Report Posted October 26, 2007 good deal for a reason what reason? i quite like the omega hd. its a little heavy on the bar, but its a good kite Quote
mkratty Posted October 26, 2007 Report Posted October 26, 2007 what about the bularoo ???? nemis hp is out and the waroo 08 hit the shelves shortly . Quote
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