Team Hog Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 Hey guys, Just got a Venom I 13m, and took it out for its first proper session, wind got up to around 15, and started to a bit feel over-powered, could hold it down to about 20 though, before I switch sizes. So just wondering what size kite would be best for the 20-30+ wind range. Im only 7st, been doing it since Jan 07, but have picked it up pretty quick. Starting to land 360's, grabs and foot-outs, so I would want something that would give me alot of lift in those wind conditions. So 8m or 10m? Cheers everyone, Sam Quote
Enigma Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 i dont know much but wouldnt the 10m over lap too much? Quote
Team Hog Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Posted June 4, 2007 i dont know much but wouldnt the 10m over lap too much? Yeah, thats what I thought, but a guy said hes got a 16 and 10, but barely ever uses the 10, so i think the 8 would be to small and would never use that. P.S. I take it you recieved the money for the handle. Quote
maxlevens Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 i'd be putting the 16 away and getting the 13 out at 20/25... venom 8's are really meant as crazy high wind kites - i wouldnt bother with them unless you're realy light. - possibly the 10 if you're light for winds around 25-30mph id just practice more with the 13 and get used to higher wind with it. next time its really windy, just cleat in and have a go, i expect youll be fine with it a lot higher than 20... Quote
Team Hog Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Posted June 4, 2007 i'd be putting the 16 away and getting the 13 out at 20/25... venom 8's are really meant as crazy high wind kites - i wouldnt bother with them unless you're realy light. - possibly the 10 if you're light for winds around 25-30mph id just practice more with the 13 and get used to higher wind with it. next time its really windy, just cleat in and have a go, i expect youll be fine with it a lot higher than 20... Kl Cheers, you say really light, but I am 7st, you cant get much lighter:D but yeah, I guess more experience and ill be able to take it out in higher winds. If you have a 16 and a 13, do they lap over in wind ranges or not? Cheers Quote
Antigrav Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 At 7 stone though you'll get a lot more use out of an 8 than most other people, i'm 10.5 stone and the other week was holding down a 12m lei (probly about the same power as 13v, mayb more?) in 26mph, so i would think at your weight you'd max out at about 20-23mph even with lots of experience. However, with the summer winds coming i'd leave it for now, save the money and try some kites out over the summer when you can, then rethink going into autumn. You should be able to stick with the 13m all summer, i know i'll mostly be flying my 16m! After summer winds though an 8 might be a good option for you. Also, you might put on some weight before then! Quote
Team Hog Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Posted June 4, 2007 Also, you might put on some weight before then! Cheeky but true, look at the avatar, thats with a 2.5 bullet! Quote
Antigrav Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 Well at 14 it only takes one growth spurt to put on a few stone! I should know, i grew like 6 inches in 6 weeks! Talk about growing pains! Quote
-Olly- Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 both would overlap, but the 8m less so. i would go for that Quote
Team Hog Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Posted June 4, 2007 isnt he 39 like it ses under his avatar? Its me and my dad. Im 14 and hes 39 under the Team hog bit it says our ages in brackets. Quote
guerilla Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 as maxlevens has stated i would wait a while over the summer stick with the 13 and get used to the high winds with it, im sure you will be able to hold it down, plus when you get to know the kite more, jumping in high winds on any venom goes high trust me lol Quote
Steiner Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 8m would be a better fit with the 13m, and then put a 19m on top then you'd have all wind ranges for land and water covered! Quote
Kite Killa Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 I fly a 10 and 13 V2 and find them to be a nice quiver. I use the 13 upto early 20's then whip the 10 out, although I am 10 stone. Thought about getting an 8, but then thought it would be too fast and not have enough float. I think at 7.5 stone tho you may be better with the 8. Quote
Team Hog Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Posted June 4, 2007 8m would be a better fit with the 13m, and then put a 19m on top then you'd have all wind ranges for land and water covered! Yeah, that would be a good quiver. and the 8m wouldn't overlap the windranges of the 13m so that would be good. But as most people have said, this kite will do me fine for the summer, and then ill see what the 13m is like in the winter. Quote
maxlevens Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 i'd be putting the 16 away and getting the 13 out at 20/25... venom 8's are really meant as crazy high wind kites - i wouldnt bother with them unless you're realy light. - possibly the 10 if you're light for winds around 25-30mph id just practice more with the 13 and get used to higher wind with it. next time its really windy, just cleat in and have a go, i expect youll be fine with it a lot higher than 20... Kl Cheers, you say really light, but I am 7st, you cant get much lighter:D but yeah, I guess more experience and ill be able to take it out in higher winds. If you have a 16 and a 13, do they lap over in wind ranges or not? Cheers right, saw you were 39 years old and figured you'd weigh as much as me- but now i assume you're sam. yeh that is light, can see the 13 might be a bit mch in high wind - would still go for the 10 out of the 2 though... the 16 and the 13 are a perfect pair, they overlap a bit, in that you could ride the 13 through most of the 16s range, just without much speed or jumping (unless you weigh 7st....) - but i basically just use the 16 all the time, unless its 25 or so, then go to the 13 which works really well... Quote
kite crazy Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 tbh i would say the 8m for two reasons: 1) the 10m will overlap quite a lot. 2) youre light. im about the same weight as you and the 9m phantom which is around the same as the 8m venom does my from anthing over 22mph really till about 35mph.... either way i would wait till later in the year.... good luck Quote
Team Hog Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Posted June 4, 2007 Kl Cheers, you say really light, but I am 7st, you cant get much lighter:D but yeah, I guess more experience and ill be able to take it out in higher winds. If you have a 16 and a 13, do they lap over in wind ranges or not? Cheers right, saw you were 39 years old and figured you'd weigh as much as me- but now i assume you're sam. yeh that is light, can see the 13 might be a bit mch in high wind - would still go for the 10 out of the 2 though... the 16 and the 13 are a perfect pair, they overlap a bit, in that you could ride the 13 through most of the 16s range, just without much speed or jumping (unless you weigh 7st....) - but i basically just use the 16 all the time, unless its 25 or so, then go to the 13 which works really well... Yep im Sam, aged 14 and 7st for anyone else thinking im 39 and 7st Seems most people how have venoms say 10 and non-venomers are 8 as they wont overlap. When the 13 becomes to much to handle, and I went to the 8, would it be good lift or would the 10 be better?? Just like, if I put away the 13 and went to the 8, I wouldn't want a massive decrease in power and lift, so at the moment I'm heading towards the 10m. Quote
guerilla Posted June 4, 2007 Report Posted June 4, 2007 definatly the 10 the 8 would be just a bit to twitchy i think Quote
rod_bunny Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 I've had full quivers 10,13,18 of G1 and 10,13,19 of venoms. Thje G10 I had out about 3-4 times in 18 months and the V10 never came out of its bag in the 18 months I had that (I sold it having never flow it in anger) Its not so much about overlap but sweet spot. When the 13 is to much you will find that the 8 is not quite enough but the 10 would be spot on. It really depends on how high wind wise you want to fly in? The 10 is silly fast compared to the 13 and the 8 must be mad. You should have enough time over summer to find someone to try out both of the sizes you are after... then buy something for winter winds. Quote
Bug Eyes Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 yep i would say the 10 it's gonna overlap a bit but in general i reckon it would be better to spend you money on that rather than the 8 Quote
maxgtfc Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 Have a look at MX5 alans arc wind range calculator here. Should help a bit, but I reckon the 10 would be the way forward due to the fact you will probably fly it more than the 8. Max Quote
songalolo1 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 At your weight the 10 may become your main kite. I think the 8 would be to small and you will out grow it very quickly. In 12 months how much more will you be weighing... which kite would you want then? Yes there is an overlap with the 10 and 13 but not as huge as you might think. Although the Venoms have great depower, its not that huge to cause a drastic overlap, if you know what I mean. A bit of an overlap is a good thing. Quote
Team Hog Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Posted June 6, 2007 Ok well most people are saying 10, so thats what ill get for the winter. but for now ill just get used to 13m Quote
spooky Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 10 + 13. when the winds nice, you on the 10 and yrou Dad on the 13. Lighter winds you can share the 13. Stronger winds you can share the 10 Ref he 8, it is a high wind kite, true you are alot lighter than most so will not use it in quite so string winds, but remember ALL de-power kites liek to be flown powered so as to get the best responce from them. Plus botom end of arcs not quite as good as open foils, about 2mph difference. So you may still find you will have to go out in fairly strong winds with the 8m anyway? 10+13+16 as your ultimate de-power/Arc quiver IMHO. Jon Quote
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