fitz Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 can any one of you nice people tell me what the 06 frenzys are like? Ive flown a 12meter once for 20 mins in zilch wind so couldn't really get an idea of what there like. also has anyone bought a 14 meter 06 for those low wind/ hill jumping days, do they take weeks to turn. i'm looking at a 14 but is it worth waiting a couple of weeks and getting a 12 meter manta? any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated, im leaning towards mata but its a she ite load of dosh:eek: Quote
Big Dog Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Haha, yeah I have flown all of the above. 12 mtr manta feels like the 14 frenzy and pulls the same...just turns shed loads quicker! I think I can fly it faster than I could fly my 12 mtr frenzy too. Quote
Big Dog Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Sorry, I meant to add on... Get a manta! Quote
spooky Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 They turn about the same (well with the 06 tweak on the Frenzy), as the Manta is high aspect so hence slower size for size. Float is better on the Manta, but the 14 Frenzy is not far off, so both good on the hills. Pop off the flat? Hard to say as not had enough time on a 14m Frenzy, but I know Dan F put his to good use last year. The 14m Frenzy, espcially with the tweak is a nice grunty kite so great for alround use. Manta is more of a lock off than a throw about kite, IMHO unless flying very powered. Both have good low wind capablities, but think the 14m F would be better for heavier riders, as gruntier plus I think it is a tad more workable in light winds in small areas. If you get good access to open slopes then the Manta would be my choice along with large open beaches where you can get long run in's to really power it up (as like all kites when really powerd they turn faster) so can start to get a more 'poppy' feel to jumps Small hillock type areas with bomb holes/drop offs etc the Frenzy may have the edge but hard to tell (in the 10m Manta size not an issue as that ones is quite quick to throw about). Stability is about the same, the 07 Frenzy is better than last years, but as the Manta is higher aspect it cancels out the 07 inprovments. But again in the sort of winds you will be flying a 12/14m kite thats not going to be an issue due to lack of turbulence. Some how I do not think I have helped sorry. If it had been a 12 Frenzy 06/07 v a 12m Manta I coudl have advised more, as that boils down to riding style more, ie a throw about poppy kite v a locked off floaty kite. Where abouts do you fly as may be able to hook you up with ago on a 12m Manta? Also what what other kites do you have to fit in with and what weight are you, as again starting to get in to "phat boy" terroritry with these, and as such actually need a bit of weight behind you to give enough resistance to get any large kite to turn. Plus as heavy they do not get going much earlier than the size down, so if you are light may find that by the time you have enough wind to get decent turning/performance out of it, that a few/5mph more and you would be maxed out?? Good luck Jon P.s Take it you have your eye on that 14m Frenzy for £450 on here? Have to say that is a very good price Quote
Big Dog Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Hey spooky, know of any bomb hole type places to fly in the midlands that are open to westerlies? I know one really good place near banbury, but its only really good with NE winds. Quote
fitz Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Posted February 7, 2007 arrrrgggggggghhhhhhh! lol major head pain:D that was a very informative reply, thanks. i fly a ten 05 and a 12 meter fenzy 04 recently sold my 04 12 and i'm looking to replace it. I'm 13 ish stone do a bit of freestyle and due to the recent winds fly a the lincolnshire kite park. ive considered a manta since there release tbh was just gonna get a 12 meter manta when the 14meter frenzy pooped up:confused: if there's not to much difference between them there sure is in price and i just wanted to be sure before i spend loads of dosh. as i have no exp with the 14 frenzy or the 12 meter manta i really don't know which way to go, it may be better to buy a 10 meter manta, sell my 10 meter 05 frenzy and get a 06/07 12 meter frenzy thanks for your help, to much choice never enough dosh Quote
spooky Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Hey spooky, know of any bomb hole type places to fly in the midlands that are open to westerlies? I know one really good place near banbury, but its only really good with NE winds. No that is my endless search to find West and south facing slopes Jon Quote
Big Dog Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 Doh! Fitz ~ I think the 10 manta and 12 frenzy might overlap eachother quite a lot.. I have no exp with the 10 manta so I'm not overly sure. Any one else know? Quote
happytechie Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 crabtree in basingstoke faces SW and is quite steeply sloping. clean wind as it blows up the M3 and so much lift it's scary at times. Paul Quote
fitz Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Posted February 7, 2007 Doh! Fitz ~ I think the 10 manta and 12 frenzy might overlap eachother quite a lot.. I have no exp with the 10 manta so I'm not overly sure. Any one else know? lol ahhh im in a whole world of hurt about now:D Quote
spooky Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 I tend to work on the ideal of high winds=low/mid aspect, low winds=mid/high aspect. So if you were to start again I would go for 10m Frenzy 12m Manta, that way you are using the advantage of the design togain the best for the conditions and not just the size. ie high aspect in lowind, to make the most out of what eer wind there is, not as stable but not an issue in low winds due to lack of turbulnce. if you have a 10m Frenzy 05 and intend to keep it I woudl say go for the 12m Manta (as the 14m is quite a beast) or go for a 07 12m Frenzy (or 06 if on a budget) if you feel the gap would over lap better. Plus the 12m Frenzy is still a nice kite to throw about. BUT for the price he is acking on that 14m 06, I reccon it would be worth getting, trying it for a good 6 months then if you do not like it, it will be summer. So shoudl get 90% of your money back as every one will want big kites. Plus all the fair weather kiters will be back so more of a market. Besides you shoudl be able to hold that 14m up to 20 mph with practice on the flat and 15+ on decent slopes and it will turn ok for that. NB if on slopes kites turn quicker as A) they are more in the power zone, B) if riding down the slope as you redirect it back/upwards the kite is climbing while you are dropping so it powers up and turns quicker than on the flat Jon Quote
spooky Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 As a rough guide tthe Mantas a 10-15% more power (though creates it differntly) and pop wise is not quite as much as the equiverlent size, though the 10m as used in high winds is not as noticabely different. So yes a 10m Manta woudl be closer to a 12m Frenzy than the 10m Frenzy would. Like wise the gap between the 10m Frenzy and the 12m Manta will be bigger, but still capable as the 10-12m Frenzy gap is quite small. Options. 10m Frenzy + 12m Frenzy = average gap 10m Frenzy + 12m Manta = slighty bigger gap 10m Manta + 12m Manta = average gap, same as 2 Frenzys above, just in a tad les wind or a tad more powered. Woud be my opion of combos for those sizes. 14m Frenzy could replace the 12m Manta quite nicely, but would go for a 10m Frenzy with it over the Manta, due to the winds you woudl use it in rather than the size/gap. Jon Quote
fitz Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Posted February 7, 2007 what is the mod for the 06 frenzy, is it just a matter of tying new knotts on the bridles or is it a new speed system? i think i may go for the 14 for now and like you say if i dont like it i can allways sell it on. am still gona get a manta, spose it can wait a few months Quote
Big Dog Posted February 7, 2007 Report Posted February 7, 2007 As far as I was told, it's shortening the brake lines slightly...by the riders preference Quote
spooky Posted February 8, 2007 Report Posted February 8, 2007 It is very simple to do. Send me yoru e-mail and I'll forward some pics and description. Very easy to do, and makes it more grunty and the ability to almost spin turn on the spot Means you can try to different styles, 05 grunty style (but tad quicker, smoother, power). Or in the standard 06 version designed for fast riding, fast throw about with the ability to ride unhooked with out adjusting the trim setting. NB the tweaked 06 can be rode unhooked fine , just need to trim in a tad first. Jon Quote
spooky Posted February 11, 2007 Report Posted February 11, 2007 Ok for those who wanted info on the Frenzy 06 'Tweak' here it is http://www.appozone.com/forum/index.php?topic=514.0 Try it, I liked it worked well for me and a few others who tried, some prefered the new style of the 06. Nothing wrong with either, so do not worry, just that what with the developments in kite design/performance things are becoming more specilized and yo have to get what suits your style Have fun, Jon Quote
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