Ozone Manta

[Lem]

....so lets move on to groove on.

 

"..hear the drummer, get wicked!"

 

 

 

Sorry .. I'm old, can't help it.

[daZZa-S]

Appo (or anyone) whats the wind range of the 10 and 12 manta and would it pair up nicely with a 7 meter frenzy 07. I'm thinking of moving from Flysurfers.

[Big Dog]

I fly my 12 mtr manta in anything from 12 to 20, maybe 22 if its really really clean wind, but it gets a bit crazy when it's like that for me

[daZZa-S]

I fly my 12 mtr manta in anything from 12 to 20, maybe 22 if its really really clean wind, but it gets a bit crazy when it's like that for me

 

Whats the ground handling like when the kite is downed

[Bob Monkhouse]

10 Manta is best kite I've ever owned. No need for the 12 imo. The 10 rocks. End of. Ding dong.

[Spyke]

Appo (or anyone) whats the wind range of the 10 and 12 manta and would it pair up nicely with a 7 meter frenzy 07. I'm thinking of moving from Flysurfers.

 

i have been asking the same and have come to the conclusion that the 10m will be best

[Big Dog]

Do you mean when the kite is parked on the floor?

 

What winds do you fly the 10 in?

[Spyke]

8mph --> mid to high 20`s is what i was told

[TrickyDicky]

So this week myself and a mate received 2 brands new kites.........

 

We both started flying kites same time, we have both pretty much owned the same kites firestorms, rhinos, storms, instincts, raptors, bullets,razors,busters, guerillas, blades, venoms, sabres, so one or two you could say but this last year I chose to move onto a frenzy and he sold his frenzy for the speed 1, we were both very happy. and after watching the performance of the speed 1 this year i was green with envy that i hadnt gone for one either

 

So as previouslly mentioned we received two new kites this week

 

a 10m manta and a 10m flysurfer speed 2

 

First out the bag was the flysurfer speed and what a shexy kite it looks absolutly awesome feels awesome and we are told is awesome, set up wasnt complicated but some thought was required to think it through and make sure we were doing things right. looked to me to be a complicated bridle system and cluttered bar but not having owned a flysurfer previouslly i didnt realise this was because the kite is so highly tuneable and almost every thing can be tweaked and altered for rider preference. so we drooled over it some more and setup ready to go.

 

The ozone manta was next to be unwrapped and next to the speed it looked rather dull, plain and rather inadequate no complicated stuff on it and very very easy to setup no thought or manual required match the numbers on the lines to the ones on the bridle and away you go, bar safety was as simplistic and effective as could be and exactly the same as other ozone depower kites, it was setup and ready to go in half the time (or there abouts)

 

so the winds this mornin were a messy SWly and was only blowing around 12mph with some very quick/small gusts comin through at 17mph it was far from ideal for first flight nerves

 

with big grins on our faces we both launched the new babies............

im gona say this without been biased towards one company or another, and we are aware that new kites require some time to get tuned into and new techniques are required but

 

the speed 2 was up and away took a few second to become inflated and he set out down the beach the gusts came in and it started to flip, twist, luff, flap, jerk and was basically a handfull when it did settle down in the smoother winds he said it was unbelievbly fast through the sky and so he was going to land it and change the steering settings to slow it down a little until he got used to it.

 

For me on the manta i was extremely impressed with its stability in the gusts they caused it to over fly the window on more than one occasion and i found myself running backwards and preparing myself for it to fold and flap back down to earth like previous depower foils I have had but it behaved more like a twin skin and flew backwards into the wind window and set its self up for some more.......i was impressed and was continually impressed with its awesome stability throughout the morning ( not as stable as other kites like the twinskins but not far off). although jumps were never going to be big today i could definatly feel some float in my little hops and the hin of a second lift up. I look forward to flying it in a decent wind.

 

By now the Speed 2 was ready for action again but half an hour of battling with it, it was soon landed packed away out of frustration and we both set about playing with the manta. and great fun we had .......such a nice kite to fly does exactly what it says on the tin with no unnessecary sparkly dangly bits, I think i would sum it up as a RIDERS KITES get out there and "av it"....

 

This post is not aimed at slagging the speed 2 off because I am "adam n the ant" that with practise this kite is going to be an awesome piece of kit and its gona take a whole new style of flying required, to what we have been used to get the most out of it, when it did settle the little jumps were floaty and and extremely comfortable and with that extra flight speed the kite must be excellent for the more advanced riders, anybody think we might be missing some school boy error that could be causing these difficulties????

 

in summary manta wins the first battle but the speed isnt out of the running yet it may just be a late bloomer:D

[KermitStu]

wow excelent i enjoyed reading that and what a great reveiw i will look forward to what happens when you fly your kites some more

[wacky jacky]

yr guys iv had a 12m since chrismas ad i hav only had about 3 seshons n it due to the wind being **** and last sunday it real amazed me it was so coll and smooth 5 stars i say

 

WELL DONE OZONE and i landed my frt inverted board offwith it too

[Skullfish]

anybody think we might be missing some school boy error that could be causing these difficulties????

 

Apparently new generation FS kites seem to have a relatively long breaking in period before the bridles stretch to their desired length.

 

I'd be intersted to hear how it (Manta) compared to the speed 1, my fav kite at the moment.

 

You do realise you and your friend are very lucky boys, right? :p:rolleyes:

[RhOsS]

I fly my 12 mtr manta in anything from 12 to 20, maybe 22 if its really really clean wind, but it gets a bit crazy when it's like that for me

 

 

What´s your weight?? 12 to 20 mph?

[daZZa-S]

Thanks tricky for the comments. Coming from a flysurfer flyer the stability of the newer flysurfers don't seem to be as good as the older ones Seems like they gone for fancy features rather than enhancing the kites performance. Don't think I would buying any more surfers unless they are pre-pulse kites. I would like to see how the speed2 performs as said.. once broken in but I have my doubts

[Skullfish]

Thanks tricky for the comments. Coming from a flysurfer flyer the stability of the newer flysurfers don't seem to be as good as the older ones Seems like they gone for fancy features rather than enhancing the kites performance. Don't think I would buying any more surfers unless they are pre-pulse kites. I would like to see how the speed2 performs as said.. once broken in but I have my doubts

 

I wouldn't knock the stability of the pulses so totally mate, you've seen my 7 perform excellently. I just think you got one of the stinkers. Build quality and QC across many kites, yes, but stablility on a goodun, no.

[Big Dog]

I'm 13.5 - 14 stone. I went to Blackrock last sunday and the wind was awesome! It started at 23 mph, I opened the manta up but felt it was a little stupid so that got packed away, it then came out when the wind dropped to 18ish mph. Best flying session yet, I was hanging under the sail for ages! Well chuffed with it:D

[TrickyDicky]

Id love to give some more comparisons but so far wind is stopping play we still have the speed 1, speed 2 and manta available on the same beach so once we get the opportunity will have a good back to back comparison of them and let you know our thoughts. Not that we can get the best out of them.

 

watch this space

[Armin Harich1599968664]

Hi

 

I just get a post about the SPEED2 Problem here. Maybe something was wrong with the Kite. Maybe it was as the SPEED2 is a different concept than all other foils on the market.

 

The SPEED2 has a massive Depower. The German Magazine KITE compared the Depower effect of the different Kite concepts: Bow, 5 Line LEI and classic 4 Liner LEI and SPEED2 for a modern foil. He called me today to tell me that we was very surprised, that the SPEED2 had the biggest Depower effect. TO be honestly, I was very happy about that as we thrust in the power of Depower.

Bow kite start to fall out of the Sky if you Depower to much. The SPEED2 usually not, but if you Depower completely the SPEED2 fly’s due to it double skin without drag like no other kite extremely to the edge of the wind window with almost no pull. That is what it is designed for. But anyway if a kite sit so far at the edge of the wind window. it is more sensitive for a gust that a kite that sits further back in the wind window. But the SPEED2 wants to offer the performance and Depower.

If it is very gusty and if you don’t have the apparent wind it helps to bring it closer to the power zone by powering up. That is easy, but different to what especially foil riders are used to maybe. With Bow kites it is even more a “Problem” If you Depower to much, if fall out of the Sky and also can invert.

 

If he wants a unhooked, very stable but not so much Depower kite, the PS3 is my recordation or a PULSE. If he loves big air, massive Depower and performance the SPEED2 is our advice. But it need a but input to control the performance.

 

But anyway, please tell your friend, to send it back to our Importer. FS will cover shipping and we will check that kite and send it asap back. Maybe the kite was not 100%. That can also be a good reason or a combination of both.

 

I am sorry, for the problems. We try to fix that problem asap.

Video how it must luck like at constant wind:

http://www.flysurfer.com/gallery2_code/d/84709-1/SPEED2+Depower-Windrange.avi

 

More short clips are here:

http://www.flysurfer.com/Gallery/v/videos/kgb/

http://www.flysurfer.com/Gallery/v/videos/SPEED2/

 

Sorry, for my English. I was in physics always better than at languages.

 

Bye, Armin

[custheyder]

Hey ... Flysurfer boss is here! Good to see you over here Armin. Very pleased you came to this thread to comment.

 

So basically the Spped 2 needs to fly more powered up so it doesn't get too close to the edge of the window in gusty conditions.... if I'm reading that right.

 

I've a 10m Speed 2 on the way to me in a couple of weeks. (Once the rip in the wing tip has been repaired... oops). I hope this test can be repeated after the FS team have checked the kite over.

 

simple.

[minidrummer]

i ve flown the mantas and im very impressed i prefer the frenzys tho but that due to me being quiet small, but i do want to try out a ten as i havernt tried one of them yet

any hoo Ash xx

[mooney flyer]

HI Ash

The next time I am at Kite Park you can have a go on my 10 Manta. Have only managed to fly it 3 times since I got it in mid December( something about nasty winds!) but i'm allready very impressed with its easy flying ability compared with my 9.5m Frenzy. Cant wait to get it on the frozen lakes of New Foundland in March.

Neil

[daZZa-S]

Thanks tricky for the comments. Coming from a flysurfer flyer the stability of the newer flysurfers don't seem to be as good as the older ones Seems like they gone for fancy features rather than enhancing the kites performance. Don't think I would buying any more surfers unless they are pre-pulse kites. I would like to see how the speed2 performs as said.. once broken in but I have my doubts

 

I wouldn't knock the stability of the pulses so totally mate, you've seen my 7 perform excellently. I just think you got one of the stinkers. Build quality and QC across many kites, yes, but stablility on a goodun, no.

 

No I havent got one of the stinkers as I have now trimmed and I wasn't knocking the pulse stability as you can see I said "I wouldn't be buying anything unless is pre pulse". Yes Iv'e seen your pulse perform excellently but i've seen and flown other brands in the same size that I feel do the same if not better in the same condition of wind - waroo, frenzy etc. Remember it's also down to a smaller size your flying on the day... a smaller kite will always be more stable than the larger.

 

Build quality and QC across many kites, yes, but stablility on a goodun, no.

 

Doesn't that sound a bit worrying when you read it back lol. Sorry mate... you know i'm loosing my confidence in flysurfers

[daZZa-S]

Thanks tricky for the comments. Coming from a flysurfer flyer the stability of the newer flysurfers don't seem to be as good as the older ones Seems like they gone for fancy features rather than enhancing the kites performance. Don't think I would buying any more surfers unless they are pre-pulse kites. I would like to see how the speed2 performs as said.. once broken in but I have my doubts

 

I wouldn't knock the stability of the pulses so totally mate, you've seen my 7 perform excellently. I just think you got one of the stinkers. Build quality and QC across many kites, yes, but stablility on a goodun, no.

 

No I havent got one of the stinkers as I have now trimmed and I wasn't knocking the pulse stability as you can see I said "I wouldn't be buying anything unless is pre pulse". Yes Iv'e seen your pulse perform excellently but i've seen a and flown other brands that do the same if not better - waroo, frenzy etc. Remember it's also down to a smaller size your flying on the day... a smaller kite will always be more stable than the larger.

[Armin Harich1599968664]

Hi simplesoul

 

Yes, powering up brings the kite further in the powerzone (=more power) and increase the angel of attack of the airfoil.

 

Bye, Armin

[just do it]

I am trying hard to work out what could have been the cause for any instability of this Speed2.

We have flown quite a few here and all were rock solid. We had the 10m up to 30mph+ in very turbulant winter winds and it was as good as gold.

It didn't suffer any tip tuck and wasn't lifting you on the beach when the gusts came through.

The very first one we had sold in the UK needed a small adjustment on the Mixer which takes about one minute thanks to the new stoppers but all Speed2s since were fine straight out of the bag.

Now it could be that this specific Speed2 would benefit from this marginal adjustment too but it shouldn't really need it as it was from a later shipment.

So I am starting to wonder whether it is partly down to adjusting the flying technique a little.

When the bar is pushed all the way out without touching the trimmer on the Speed2 it is still much more depowered than a Manta with the bar pushed out and the trimmer set to full depower.

The old Speed1 was more like the Manta in its depowerability.

This means that if you ride towards the kite or when stationary in gusty winds it is advisable to keep the bar a little pulled in to stop the kite from outflying its wind window.

The minute you are moving along it should be solid and you can benefit from the extra depower and the huge lift this generates.

You have to remember that without even touching the trimmer on the Speed2it has 30% more depower than any other depowerable foil(apart from PS3 and Pulse)

The Speed2 has just been tested in the German Kitesurf Mag and has been verified as having more actual depower than any other kite in their test which included the latest Bows, SLes and C-shape kites.

Regarding set-up time I can't personally see how the two kites would differ at all.

Both have 4lines which are already attached to the kites/bars and are ready to fly straight out of the bag.

The Speed needs a little pre-inflation but that is it.

Keep us posted on your findings and we will do our best to get to the bottom of this.