ml3575 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 OK, im guess from reading this forum and discussing this with fellow flyers in the park. I'm making the switch to De-powerable after a session on Sunday it's got to happen, only a matter of which kite, which size etc... your thoughts appreciated. I'm 5'6'' 10.5/11 stone, been flyng 5m Riot all year, and 3.5Bullet for 2 years prior. Felt comfortable on a 5m Frenzy06, but feel that's only going to be a stop gap. was sugested 7m, but what do others feel who've flown various De-P's? Hope this doesn't keep too many Brand war's but hey it's my money and i want the right Kite Stay happy Marcus Quote
payneib Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 ARCS ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! venom 2 is the way to go. 16m. Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 hey man, firstly - nice name at your weight and experiance it might be worth looking at a 10m... ill start a little list, but as always see if your local shop can sort a demo for you 15m phantom - stable as anything and will go BIG 13/16m venom - an improvement on the phantom, more height and float to match, lovely and fast. 12m Bow/sle/hybrid - Personal Favorites 10m Frenzy (loads for sale - some VERY cheap 06/05) "high performance" freestyle.. unless you fly where its gusty 9.5m Montana - a bit of lift, more traction, fairly stable 9.5m sabre - dont even ask 8m air evo - meh havent flown 8m Acess - more traction than lift, nice if speed is your thing cheers marcus Quote
Crob203 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 DOnt forget the Flysurfer Cool 9m. For sale for just 250 pounds at the moment! Chris Quote
ml3575 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Posted August 30, 2006 Cheers guy's - Marcus it's always nice to meet another (thankfully not too many of us) Living in south west London, Gusty occassionally comes into play. and unfortunatley no local Kite shops left, to my knowledge! it's an on-line world? How come no one mentions Flysurfers?? thinks 9 - 12m, Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Cheers guy's - Marcus it's always nice to meet another (thankfully not too many of us) Living in south west London, Gusty occassionally comes into play. and unfortunatley no local Kite shops left, to my knowledge! it's an on-line world? How come no one mentions Flysurfers?? thinks 9 - 12m, If flying inland closed cell always wins, its proper arc territory! again a nice 13/16m Venom/Venom2 would suite you nicely, do you wish to get into jumping and freestyle or are you happy just cruising? Quote
andrewlcblueyo Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 I am thinking about possibly selling my 12m Phantom if you are interested. Pretty much the 'one kite' size of the Phantom range, I weight 10 stone as well and it works really well from about 13mph up to 30mph (although a bit scary at the top end) Either kite only or with bar and lines - I use a Naish X3 bar rather than the Zero4 because I think it is better quality and has the same safety system but you could get kite only and go for a Zero4 bar if you wanted. It is in excellent condition no damage at all that I know of. Considering moving to a Flexi Ion but only if I can raise enough funds! PM me if interested or email andrewlc@blueyonder.co.uk Quote
ml3575 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Posted August 30, 2006 Getting some nice static air in the right wind with the riot and also happy on the board, so i guess it's time to put a few things togeather? Athough will it take a while to get used to boarding with a De-Powerable? compared to Handles? So many questions. Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Getting some nice static air in the right wind with the riot and also happy on the board, so i guess it's time to put a few things togeather? Athough will it take a while to get used to boarding with a De-Powerable? compared to Handles? So many questions. TBH yes is the answer... what ever kite you go for im sure you will enjoy it static for a couple of weeks until you are more familiar with it... its nice to learn to board when you can "feel" what the kite is doing without having to look and have too much to think about. Quote
Crob203 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Although Im desperate to sell my Cool, ill be honest with you. I was in the same situation as you eight months ago, and wrongly bought the Cool, wasnt stable enough for the inland winds. So now im trying to flog it lol. If I were you, and your situation is pretty much mine Id invest in a peter lynn twinskin, im going to go for a venom or venom II as I want the stability and the option of getting air, aswell as easy use on the water if I get to that. The phantom is also a great alternative, but just prefer the sound of the venom as its a bit more stable - or so ive heard! Handles to depower isnt that bad, youve just gotta relise your control is a bit reduced due to the size of the bar, but at the same time you can get alot more stabilty and control from the depower aswell! Farno is selling a Venom II if you look him up on here, 13m. I cant quite afford a VII so cant get it, but the kite is in mint condition! Give it alot of thought before you commit otherwise you'll end up throwing away your money! Also get out there and have a go on some of your shortlisted kites if you can! Hope this helps!! Chris Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Although Im desperate to sell my Cool, ill be honest with you. I was in the same situation as you eight months ago, and wrongly bought the Cool, Just like to say WHAT A DUDE for that ........back on track Quote
ml3575 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Posted August 30, 2006 So what's the main difference's between the likes of Venom/phantom & frenzy/sabre etc.... would be primarily used for landboarding (+static?), but water may be an option in the future, although probably not until next summer, although off to Oz for 3 weeks in March 07 Chris - cheers for your honesty buddy, hope you find the right priced Venom soon M Quote
troy1599968664 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 have to say flysurfer speed n pulses are very nice. (had had to be mentioned. love all of them so quick n the speed all you need is about 15 miles an hour on a 10mtr speed n you go 20 feet. serious got the footage Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 So what's the main difference's between the likes of Venom/phantom & frenzy/sabre etc.... would be primarily used for landboarding (+static?), but water may be an option in the future, although probably not until next summer, although off to Oz for 3 weeks in March 07 Chris - cheers for your honesty buddy, hope you find the right priced Venom soon M The Arcs are twinskin closed cell foils.. aka they kick arse in gusts and lulls and will float as the air is trapped inside them.. the frenzies and sabres are open celled foils, they have less depower and cannot safetly be used on the water, if you drop one your in for a long hard swim. I personaly think a venom is right up your street Quote
Crob203 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 frenzy and sabre are foils (I believe!) and the peter lynns are twinskins and fly in an arc shape, and basically are alot more stable, but perhaps have a bit less grunt and lift (sure sum1 will argue against this) just my understanding but possibly wrong. Cheers Malcolm, sure its just around the next corner lmao! Chris Quote
ml3575 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Posted August 30, 2006 Fly in Richmond park mainly, it's a 5 minute walk although being a Bristol boy, been on the downs a few times and also down to Ho!, Baiter and Camber But this it's a 3-4 times a week gusty inlnad kite i'm looking for not the odd coastal constant winds (which would be nice) scenario Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 alot more stable, but perhaps have a bit less grunt and lift (sure sum1 will argue against this) if your interested theres some photos on my gallery from when i was flying on a 13 and 16m venom 1... page 1-4 http://kite-pics-scotland.com/marcus/marcus_w.htm Quote
Crob203 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Sure some1 can recommend a decent kite shop around there! I dont know London at all lol. Looks like a nice big area though! Quote
Crob203 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 if your interested theres some photos on my gallery from when i was flying on a 13 and 16m venom 1... page 1-4 http://kite-pics-scotland.com/marcus/marcus_w.htm Should I rephrase, the lift is alot more controllable so can be less P.S nice jumps! Cant wait to get to jumping!! Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Should I rephrase, the lift is alot more controllable so can be less .......... lol, the more control you are in.. the higher you can go (if its safe control) anyways... back to the main topic Quote
ml3575 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Posted August 30, 2006 Marcus - Nice photo's - lovin the air OK so it's off Venom hunting what's the difference between 1 & 2? Is 13m about right, will see if any of the local's can bring one down next weekend. whats the price's like on 2nd hand??? Quote
Crob203 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Id PM Farno (thats his username) and ask for a quote from him. There is a venom I finishing on ebay tomorrow I think, watch that for a guide maybe? have a go before you buy one though! Chris Quote
marman Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 Marcus - Nice photo's - lovin the air OK so it's off Venom hunting what's the difference between 1 & 2? Is 13m about right, will see if any of the local's can bring one down next weekend. whats the price's like on 2nd hand??? the II is advertised as being more stable, faster in the turn and having more "pop" and hangtime in the jumps, both are great kites and cant go wrong either way. if possible get the 60cm Zero4 bar aswel, all helps in the turning since owning mine i havent noticed there 2nd hand value im afriad Quote
gregers Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 A 13 mt venom1 went for £415 this morning on ebay someone i know got one a couple of weeks ago rtf for £380 looking for one myself not that many about which is a good sign i guess Quote
sym170 Posted August 30, 2006 Report Posted August 30, 2006 i live in south east london, and the only kiteshop that springs to mind is airborn kites in bluewater. they give great advise, but are a little pricey, very nice people in there i have to say. Quote
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