PL Venom 16m n 10m or FS Speed 10m

[HippyMchop]

Lol, I am pretty much sold the Speed way now, Sorry all you venom users!! The quality of the Titan is what I like the most I am also familiar with fs brand and know what I am getting, also seen some of the vids of the speed on foilzone. The power through turns, the jumps and the speed of turns is incredible for a foil.

 

 

Still deciding about which kite to go for being up north, think 10m would see me through most of autumn and spring. In the summer the 10m and the flydoor would see me out before most others I expect. Deff keeping the titan 12.5 till I am a level kite boarding in which I can use the speed. May allow myself the purchase of a speed 10m though to use low wind land boarding soon.

[justin1599968620]

 

As i said clearly in my post the venoms would give a better wind range. In terms of one on one you've left me slightly confused as we're comparing two kites against one. I know you have the benefit of being lighter than most and perhaps fitting more with HippyMchop's requirements but lets not be fs groupies about this.

 

I still think two used p2's would provide a better choice and i'm very puzzled by anyone who thinks differently. The Speed is a fantastic kite but so are the Venoms and P2's.

[HippyMchop]

I was initially looking at getting a new kite quiver to replace a Titan 12.5m. Now the wind range of the speed is huge, price isn't a major issue so I was saying if I got Venoms I would require 2 to keep a similar wind range as one speed. Obviously it been two kites would have a greater wind range than one speed.

 

But I was also looking at flying styles, turning power, jumps and hangtimes and for that I can see no real completion to the speed anymore this also couples with the fact I own a titan 12.5m. All this has more or less swung me the FS way cos I know what I am getting. Now the only choice which remains is the 7m or 10m and if I really need the extra bottom end and dont mind losing a bit of top end.

[LDT]

I have spent a lot of time lately on water with my Speed 7 and 10. Luckily it has been windy, so both have been in action. I weigh 65 kg and use a 125x38 board.

My gut feeling tells me that you would benefit the most from a S10. The top end of this kite is amazing. Yesterday I was on the 10 while most guys were on 10 LEIs. I could have used the 7, but I would have missed the hangtime I get from the 10 when it is well powered. However if you mostly landboard, the 7 may be the right one for you. For water, get the 10:)

[ezstevie]

Everyone is going Speed mad!

 

I was at Hunstanton yesterday and there was two guys on Speeds (13m +17m) and they looked like they were loving it. Everyone else on LEI's was having the odd spot of trouble now and again but the boys on the FS speeds just kept on cruising!

 

I watched them water relaunching a speed and it looked easy, landing on the beach also looked a pretty harmless affair! I think its a speed for me when I get paid, 7m to start with (is it true that this is equiv to a 12m inflatable?).

 

Oceanside here I come $$$$

[adamski]

Weeeeelll.... errrrm...... I am going to buy myself a 10m Speed.

 

 

I WILL be keeping the Venoms.... Sam prefers them, I have been flying the Rookie 9m More and more..... once I was used to the instant grunt it became more and more my first choice.

 

I will continue to fiddle with my rookie for a short while longer but .....I think it will be part exd on a speed:D NOT because the rookie is bad in ANY way.....cant have both though, sadly my wallet ISNT infinite:(

[HippyMchop]

Thanks LDT that has helped a lot. The choice was between a S7 and a S10 but for the overall conditions that will be using it to surf in looks likes the S10 will be the best singe quiver kite for my wind range.

 

Think I will look at getting it in the next month to land board with, can't resist. Going to get loads of practice in with the titan especially with my footwork as this seems to be the key on the water (from reading the reviews) in controlling the kite.

[Mr X]

Everyone is going Speed mad!

 

I was at Hunstanton yesterday and there was two guys on Speeds (13m +17m) and they looked like they were loving it. Everyone else on LEI's was having the odd spot of trouble now and again but the boys on the FS speeds just kept on cruising!

 

I guess thatd have been me and Tone

 

God dam that was the best session I have ever had. I was loving every minute of it.

[just do it]

It is actually quite easy.

If you are a very poor kiteflyer then the Venoms would be easier to fly but in terms of performance they are way behind the Speeds.

So a good kiteflyer goes for the Speed and a crap one for the Venom.

Sorry to be so blunt!

[woodsy]

let's be realistic for a second here.

 

no i have never tried a flysurfer but i have seen plenty at the beach and i agree that it is probably possible that you could kite in the range that you are suggesting.

 

but

 

no way can it be possible that any one kite can have a "sweet" range as big or bigger as a 2/3 kite quivver has. if it were me i would take the two venoms anyday.

 

the lone wolf obviously agrees with the "sweet" range point, as he has loads of P2's.

 

i have two cautions (16 and 12) that do me for virtually anything save for nuclear where a 9 would be handy. if you are trying to tell me that i could have as much fun with one FS then i just don't believe you.

of course this is just my opinion. i have flown all modern peter lynn kites just for the record.

 

kites come in different sizes for a reason. fact.

[Jangla]

 

kites come in different sizes for a reason. fact.

one reason being people come in different sizes. fact.

[woodsy]

fair point.

 

cheeky monkey.

[the_lone_wolf]

if you are trying to tell me that i could have as much fun with one FS then i just don't believe you.

i have never tried a flysurfer

believe it baby:cool:

[woodsy]

honestly?

 

hand on heart?

 

swear on mother's name?

 

ok, s10 bottom/top end on a 128 board weighing 13 stone?

 

no fibbing either please.

[the_lone_wolf]

ok, i don't weigh 13st and i dont have a 128 so i can't asnwer you exactly, if i had a 128 board i'd expect a range of about 9-30knts, anything over 14 would the sweet spot for me, i can't comment on the range for you cause i don't know how you ride or how skilled you are.

 

if you want to find out for yourself find a demo somewhere and see, you will be surprised:D

 

edit: the real loss is having a small board, that stifles the low end of a kite that really prefers to be ridden fast

[woodsy]

of course ability etc makes it impossible but ball park is all i am after....... and that's quite a claim! i have seen a gentleman at the beach with said kite and shall ask for a go.

 

in the mean time i reckon i have that range from two lei's for a combined spend of 600 sheets so am quite happy.

 

16 sweet from 13 to 18, 12 from 17 to 24 (all roughly of course.)

 

on a serious note, these FS kites do look good, but mine are prettier colours and i have never seen anyone handle pass a FS and i don't like germans and foils are for gays and why isn't hadlow on one if its so good and blah blah blah blah.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

sorry, dropped off there.

[Jangla]

I'm now itching to get the speed - the p2 13m range is massive so this can only be even better.And Hadlow rides for Flexi - that's why he's not on a flysurfer

[marman]

only flown my 13m venom once but WOOT for it

 

sprogg has a 16 + 19 up for grabs i think

[woodsy]

just to clarify...... i was joking!

[the_lone_wolf]

of course ability etc makes it impossible but ball park is all i am after....... and that's quite a claim! i have seen a gentleman at the beach with said kite and shall ask for a go.

 

in the mean time i reckon i have that range from two lei's for a combined spend of 600 sheets so am quite happy.

 

16 sweet from 13 to 18, 12 from 17 to 24 (all roughly of course.)

 

on a serious note, these FS kites do look good, but mine are prettier colours and i have never seen anyone handle pass a FS and i don't like germans and foils are for gays and why isn't hadlow on one if its so good and blah blah blah blah.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

sorry, dropped off there.

lol, you were doing well:p

 

TBH it's much easier gaining 3 knots on the top end than 3 knots at the bottom, as a one kite quiver i wouldn't have the 10, i'd have the 7m, switches on a few knots later (12/13) but for that you gain another ~10knts on the top end, i flew the prototype 7m in winds i later found out were 25 gusting to 40mph, and it was still fun to fly, had it been constant i could have taken more, the serial kites have been tamed a bit but the range is still shocking:eek:

[jrobson]

Yeah, true that... 7m rocks... 10m will problably give better air/hangtime though, but wrt wind range, nothing will touch the 7m. Don't underestimate it either, it is not a weak kite that "builds" power as you go along, that is only true for light winds, in the right winds it has some incredible raw power, I describe the 7m also as having a switch on effect around 12-13kts, difficult to explain, you have to fly the kite to feel it, it is quite a difference to 10kts... Apparently it's really fun in 35+ kts too (for the more experienced riders of course)

[Jangla]

Would this "switch on" effect have anything to do with the dynamic mutation system in the bridle, do you think? Sounds like the kite has an optimal curvature and as the system is dynamic, it's the wind speed that dictates that curve.

[Tone]

the switch is when the apparent wind kicks in....

 

on my Flydoor and with the 10 i can see myself being able to plane in 8 knots.

 

on my little board i have yet to pull the trim in more than about 2cm's and have used it up to 30+mph (gusts up to 35 acording to weather station)

 

it is very hard to describe, but the kite just "clicks" in light winds...and you are off and running... in high winds, you just stomp on your backfoot and the kite litrally edges 2-5ft further into the wind, its odd to explain, will try and get some vid soon.

 

im not going to even get into the jumping of the kite, i might get flashbacks... still giving me...shall we say... "interesting" dreams from that day...

 

tony

[jason mcgowan]

I heard landing them is on your own is a pig though,lets see the NEW safety.

[the_lone_wolf]

people often "hear" things about a kite, to be honest you should believe nothing until you try the kite yourself;)

 

it takes about 5 minutes to learn how to backstall the kite from the sky, and with the higher AR there's less pull on the safety leash than with the P2, which has yet to cause me problems in any wind conditions. self landing them is as simple as with any kite, certainly safer and easier than launching an arc in high winds:eek: