sn0rkle Posted January 10, 2005 Report Posted January 10, 2005 Hello all, I've been lurking around reading about depowerable kites for a few months and considering what to go for. All my landboarding is done inland on playing fields, and mostly i fly without other kiters about, currently my thoery is: Arcs n such, cba with the hassle of getting them up and down on my own. Is this unjustified? Frenzy 03/04 looking good, but tbh im very nervous about buying a serious kite like this second hand, i would rather have the peace of mind of buying a new one. Overtly paranoid? Frenzy 05 / Physco 2 / prolly Sabre = how much!?! Spotted this on another forum: http://www.oceanside.co.uk/osb/itemdetails.cfm?ID=43 Whats the likelyhood that this is going to compare anywhere near favourably to the above kites, and that someone might fly one of these anytime soon and post a review? Seems very reasonably priced to me. Im assuming that around 10m is good for overall boardage. Any comments greatly appreciated, thanks in advance. Matt. Quote
LoKi_79 Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 hi - i've been in exactly the same situation for the last few weeks! They still had/have frenzy 04's in stock at kiteworld.co.uk - bit cheaper than the 05's and like you say it is a bit of a gamble buying 2nd hand! so i bit the bullet and splashed out on one [ouch! - said my bank account..] However, i do live by the coast [in devon] so went for the smaller [and most importantly cheaper] 5m. Anyway, if there is good wind at the weekend i'll be able to tell you if it was a good idea or not! Quote
Danny Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 IMHO I would go for an arc, i wont go through the whole speal but these are amazing kites. As for packing them away set up etc. I fly on my own quite often and have no trouble launching or backing away the kite, you usually find your own way to pack it up quickly. Also you mentioned getting a frenzy 03/04, in my experience i would say NO as i got a second hand 03 and it coused me problems for most of the time i had it so i got rid of it and i now have a phantom and i don't think i want to ever change kite now (well not untill the new phantom come out). Hope this helps Quote
zem6 Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 well, I can't speak for phantoms but if you fly inland avoid the 04 Frenzy. I had one and sold it to go back to the 03 (much more stable). Don't be too put off buying second hand. If you go for mint condition ones you can save a lot of money for essentially a new kite. Quote
yowi Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 The Rookie2 is out next month apparently. If it's crap I'll eat my hat. Quote
Lem Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 rookie looks like an open-celled extacy.. very cheap too.. interesting! Quote
sidpsycho Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Frenzy I would say, build quality, doesn't mind being damp,one of the best safty systems out there, thay hold there price as long as you look after them compered to most kites out there, cheap to repair if you do stuff it hard. I've been flying them now for 3years with know problems so far! But what you have to rember it's all down to what feels right to you, try before you buy! Quote
Gizmo Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Hi mate. Went through this myself recently and ended up buying a Phantom 12m. Basically I heard that Frenzy's have issues inland with luffing (inland only at the coast they are greta apparently). I was flying a 5m Sammy and I am well chuffed with my choice of kite. You are right in that invariably you will need help to start with at least to get the kite in the air as it can get a little complicated trying to understand what the hell they are talking baout to self launch the thing. However with a little persistence and some wind they will go up nicely enough with practise. Landing is no probs either just bring it down the edge of the window and deploy the safety system and it collapses onto the ground. I would say to try as many different kites as possible before buying though. I work in Banbury but live in Wolvo so with the dark nights it is going to be difficult to get you a go on mine but if you make the trip to me you are more than welcome to have a try. Also noticed that the previous post lives in Banbury and he has a Frenzy. Maybe he will let you have a go on that. Finally kiting on your own is lonely and can be dangerous with the larger kites so arrange to meet up with other. Kiting is a social sport and is good when done solo but even better when other are around to watch you fall on your arse. You also learn that much quicker as well. Gizmo Quote
mee Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 You might also consider the Vio range of kites. The quality and finish on these kites is equal to the Flysurfer and Frenzy but with half the price tag. Before I got my first Vio Proteus I was very sceptical and was looking for a down side to why these kites are relatively cheap compared to the others on the market, are they poor quality or do not fly well. As yet I have not found any faults at all, infact I have bought more and am using them far more than the Voodoo or Frenzy.The Proteus will not in standard trim give you the same static lift as a Frenzy, but with some amazingly simple mods it equals the Frenzy for lift.The Protean2 will provide significant lift however, but it is worth noting that the price has increased as well. The only point to note with the Vio Proteus and VR range is that'out of the bag' they do not provide massive static lift, although move them through the zenith powered up and you will certainly go high enough. Quote
Jibadee Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 M8 go and try out as many as you can, and find out what suits you best, IMO Archs suck in a big way but others swear by them. Its what suits you at the end of the day. You cant go wrong with a secondhand frenzy though. There is plenty on the forums at very good prices. =sn0rkle]Hello all, I've been lurking around reading about depowerable kites for a few months and considering what to go for. All my landboarding is done inland on playing fields, and mostly i fly without other kiters about, currently my thoery is: Arcs n such, cba with the hassle of getting them up and down on my own. Is this unjustified? Frenzy 03/04 looking good, but tbh im very nervous about buying a serious kite like this second hand, i would rather have the peace of mind of buying a new one. Overtly paranoid? Frenzy 05 / Physco 2 / prolly Sabre = how much!?! Spotted this on another forum: http://www.oceanside.co.uk/osb/itemdetails.cfm?ID=43 Whats the likelyhood that this is going to compare anywhere near favourably to the above kites, and that someone might fly one of these anytime soon and post a review? Seems very reasonably priced to me. Im assuming that around 10m is good for overall boardage. Any comments greatly appreciated, thanks in advance. Matt. Quote
Dominich Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Yep try as many as you can, and if you decide on a VioKite my VR-5 is for sale, so a very cheap option to get you going!!!! Quote
Gizmo Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Just remembered the Pegas Kite range as well. Simon from there will fill you in with all the details if you e-mail him. A very helpful guy and the range is sounding very promising. Ask Rasga as he trialed a few not so long ago. Website addy is http://www.pegaskitesports.com/about.asp Quote
Danielillo Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 The Proteus will not in standard trim give you the same static lift as a Frenzy, but with some amazingly simple mods it equals the Frenzy for lift. Hi mee, Could you tell me where can I find those mods? Thanks, D. Quote
spooky Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Yep try as many as you can, and if you decide on a VioKite my VR-5 is for sale, so a very cheap option to get you going!!!! Hi Dom, so what you getting instead then? What size is it as I'll spread the word? Jon Quote
Ally Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 rookie looks like an open-celled extacy.. very cheap too.. interesting! i wouldnt min getting me a 4m. as you said, almost half the price of the 4.5 extasy. will need to find out a bit more first though. Quote
makka Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 The VR5 is about 5m projected wing area. If you want to get something that is like other foils you have flown try a Gin Yoz with depower kit. If you want a proper depowerable that you can learn with then go Viokite VR although a VR5 may be a bit underpowered in land. Also where can I find these amazingly simple mods? Quote
adamski Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 i wouldnt min getting me a 4m. as you said, almost half the price of the 4.5 extasy. will need to find out a bit more first though. Will phone Sven in the morning about test flights!! Quote
Ally Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 thanks adam but thats not exactly ideal for me;) have mailed him though let me know how they are:) oh, and do you ever use your msn? Quote
Dominich Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Hi Dom, so what you getting instead then? What size is it as I'll spread the word? Jon Hi Jon, already got a 5m Frenzy, just need to replace the funds now! Cheers, Dom. Quote
spooky Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Hi Jon, already got a 5m Frenzy, just need to replace the funds now! Cheers, Dom. Aah i see so you are a Frenzy guy now? lol Well worth the extra arn't they Have fun, Jon Quote
Dominich Posted January 11, 2005 Report Posted January 11, 2005 Aah i see so you are a Frenzy guy now? lol Well worth the extra arn't they Have fun, Jon Always have been mate, just adding another to the quiver! Quote
Fire Exit Posted January 12, 2005 Report Posted January 12, 2005 You might also consider the Vio range of kites. The quality and finish on these kites is equal to the Flysurfer and Frenzy but with half the price tag. Just done a little search on Google, they're only around £450 for an 11M proteus or 12M VR, slightly cheaper than Frenzy's and Phantoms. Being a poor Firebee flyer and having flown Blades can the same comparison be made here or do the Vio's fly the same as the more expensive ranges ? Also how well does the 'zipping' thing work, or is that just a gimic ?. I've heard of it before and thought it sounds like a good idea if it works, but that it probably doesn't ? Quote
Dominich Posted January 13, 2005 Report Posted January 13, 2005 Best idea is to try and get a fly on one first to see if you like it, may of course not be so easy though if no one in your area has one! I can vouch for the zip though, works a treat and takes about 20% of the size of the kite off. Quote
makka Posted January 13, 2005 Report Posted January 13, 2005 The zip thing works well because it is at the centre of the kite and not on the edges, that way the weight is concentrated in teh centre on it's rotational axis leaving the edges still as light as they were before. As far as I know other size changing kites such as the Rhombus Rowdy have altered the size at the edge of the wing not the centre. Quote
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