Gray Cloud Posted August 3, 2004 Report Posted August 3, 2004 You have to trust me when I say I'm not talking out of my ass on this one cus I don’t have the time to explaine! The original mails out did say to pay the PKA but I hope that has now changed to payment on the day. This was a mistake on my part and ~I have kept all the cheque’s to give back to the appropriate pilots on the day. Sorry for any inconvenience Gray Quote
flydad Posted August 3, 2004 Report Posted August 3, 2004 This will be the case for all future Super Cup events for 2005. Realistically if you are not a member of a Fed club you should join one or start one asap if you want to race in the future. Graham Steel What a shame to spoil such an open and enjoyable event by enforceing such tight restrictions for future years. From the look of the current entrants list (although its not up to date) thats likely to do away with around 40% of the entry. Tom Quote
big-jon Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Posted August 3, 2004 The organisers hope that the evening after the event will become a bit of a social gathering, a big BBQ is being set up and music to entertain. The tide will allow kiting to take place well into the late hours and I am hoping that many competitiors will stick around and join in the fun. One of the good things about going to the meet at Pendine was the social gathering at night, with people chatting and getting to know each other. We have amazing sunsets at Ainsdale and I hope the evening will be as much fun as the event itself. So on the way into Ainsdale make sure you stock up on tinnies and a bit of grub to throw on the barbie. And also pack a folding chair into your car !!! Quote
8015 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Sounds like I might have to pack kitesurf kit as well - any mileage trying to improve the relationship with the local surfers? Still not registered - need to talk to Bill and make some sort of plan other than to go to Hoylake a couple of days before the event and then move on to Ainsdale..... Like work out what number we are racing under. Gray - teams of 2 allowed? or will you just shuffle odd numbered teams into scratch teams on the day (in which case do we need a number?) JIM Quote
8015 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 What a shame to spoil such an open and enjoyable event by enforceing such tight restrictions for future years. From the look of the current entrants list (although its not up to date) thats likely to do away with around 40% of the entry. Tom We need to discuss this properly Tom - from what GaRRy was saying it would be possible for IF to join the FED but only those of us who are going to race to actually pay the FED fees - meaning the landboarders and recreational flyers can still do their thing nice and cheap. Think of the advantages - occasional trips to other FED sites (In the meantime I'm going to keep up my membership to Wirral even though Ainsdale is now closer, pending outcome of suspension, and it looks like Lytham is about to go back into action too) and we can race without having to ask stupid questions about if our insurance/license etc. is going to be valid. JIM Quote
GaRRy Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 What a shame to spoil such an open and enjoyable event by enforceing such tight restrictions for future years. From the look of the current entrants list (although its not up to date) thats likely to do away with around 40% of the entry. Tom Yep Tom It is a bit sad but it all boils down to insurance / liabilty etc. This is why its being fazed in to give people chance to sort it out For next year you will have to have FED Insurance which will be available at each event for those that dont have it. The year after (2006) You will need a FED pilots License as well which means in reality you will have to be a member of a FED club. Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh but the only alternative is not have any event whats so ever (Unless you think Graham should risk financial ruin in event of anything sadly going wrong). Also this is a compromise as originally FED wanted 2006 restrictions immeadiately and weargues that this could kill event dead. For those of you that are not members of a FED club and would like to form one PM me and I will detail what is required for you to form one (Trust me its not difficult) Quote
flydad Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 I fully apreciate the reasons behind it Garry, its just that the limitations that the Fed insurance gives seems such a waste. We can only live in hope that eventually Perkins Slade/Sun Alliance will realise the problems that are created by them issueing the open ended policy that both the Fed and the PKSF use but to which they both adopt there own interpretation of. Tom Quote
Mell1599968579 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Errm, after a chat there are more than just us on the policy! Mell I fully apreciate the reasons behind it Garry, its just that the limitations that the Fed insurance gives seems such a waste. We can only live in hope that eventually Perkins Slade/Sun Alliance will realise the problems that are created by them issueing the open ended policy that both the Fed and the PKSF use but to which they both adopt there own interpretation of. Tom Quote
flydad Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Mell Im not surprised, it could cover basically anything, but as I say its all down to how any one group decides to adapt it. Tom Quote
Mell1599968579 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Yep, thats the crux of the matter and its all too easy to have restrictions and things but it is being addressed as we speak! mell Mell Im not surprised, it could cover basically anything, but as I say its all down to how any one group decides to adapt it. Tom Quote
8015 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Fed offers slightly more than a restricted insurance policy, it also offers experience in managing beaches and organising racing. Anyone that took the time to read the moaners thread (god only knows why you would!) will know that I was suggesting that FED and PKSF should be talking and trying to forge a common way forward - after a private discussion tonight I get the impression that other people have realised this already and it is under way so keep your fingers crossed! I still think that as IF represents most of the racers and potential racers in Scotland we should be considering FED affiliation for those that want to race, I did not get the impression that SPKA were particularly interested in racing as an organisation and that is currently the main difference between PKSF and FED - If you want to race a car, you can't do it on your family car insurance, or regular driving license so I do feel there is room for some variation, and extra costs for those that want to race compared to our recreational flyers. Would you really miss an extra £10-20 per year that you have to pay additionally to be eligible to race - stay out of the pub for an evening (especially if the whole family were tagging along) and it's covered..... Sure it will put a few off, but given the rate of growth in racing that the supercups have generated, I'm not sure it will be totally detrimental! Back to Ainsdale and mega-endurance is Mrs FD letting you out for this one or is it a definite no no???? What about the wean? Don't think we have space for him but I suppose there is no reason he couldn't come without you or are you all still on holiday? Actually who would assemble and fix his buggy? I'm cheeky me! LOL JIM Quote
big-jon Posted August 4, 2004 Author Report Posted August 4, 2004 OK I know I am guilty of discussing this issue maybe too much, but there are lots of threads about this issue elsewhere, can we just leave this one for the purpose of what is was started for ???? Pretty please ?? Quote
Mell1599968579 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Jim, A brief potted history! The PKA was always the race organisation and was/still is FED affiliated and represented all of the class 8 racers in the uk. The SPKA originally was the Scottish Parakart Association and represented class 8 in Scotland. However, as time has moved on the name was changed as it was felt it would appeal to a wider area, covered more of what they wanted to do and removed some of the perceived stigma that the previous name had. Funny how things loop over time eh? p.s. If I got it wrong please let me know! Mell Quote
8015 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 Jim, A brief potted history! The PKA was always the race organisation and was/still is FED affiliated and represented all of the class 8 racers in the uk. The SPKA originally was the Scottish Parakart Association and represented class 8 in Scotland. However, as time has moved on the name was changed as it was felt it would appeal to a wider area, covered more of what they wanted to do and removed some of the perceived stigma that the previous name had. Funny how things loop over time eh? p.s. If I got it wrong please let me know! Mell Cheers Mell - I have already discovered it isn't quite that simple! We should probably start a thread to continue this (but it least it keeps the 6-hour on the top!) You interested in having a go in the 6-hour? plenty of teams short of a member! JIM Quote
Mell1599968579 Posted August 4, 2004 Report Posted August 4, 2004 LOL, try this http://www.flexifoil.com/community/forums/showthread.php?t=47075 Mell Cheers Mell - I have already discovered it isn't quite that simple! We should probably start a thread to continue this (but it least it keeps the 6-hour on the top!) You interested in having a go in the 6-hour? plenty of teams short of a member! JIM Quote
big-jon Posted August 4, 2004 Author Report Posted August 4, 2004 Thanks Mell. Back to the real stuff ! I today saw the trophies - yes I did say Trophies that are going to be presented to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd places. There is also a big winners trophy that will be kept on display at the centre up at Ainsdale, with the winning teams name on. This trophy will be presented yearly as the aim is to run the Endurance event annually on this weekend from now on. Things are progressin well, we now have succeeded on getting a film crew up to film the event and produce a DVD/Video of the race. So make sure you wave when you see the camera! The BBQ is confirmed as I have said, but due to 'more' rules that we have to abide by on the beach it would be better if you all brought your own food to cook. Music has been sorted - all we need now is a bit of wind, it is forecasting 13-17mph but Southerly which is not the best direction for the beach but at least we could get a bit of decent speed up. As we all know the forecast will change daily anyway!! I have got Scud on the case anyway and he has promised to have a word with the wind Gods !!! Quote
Gray Cloud Posted August 5, 2004 Report Posted August 5, 2004 I looks like we will have a lot of sorting out with teams for this event as it seems that pilots are unable to organise them selves at all. It’s simple find 3 pilots and get them all to register on the web site with the same number, preferably a number that one of you already uses that way there should be no conflict between team numbers. If you are unable to find other team members try posting and if all else fails we can try and sort teams on the Fri evening and Sat morning. In this case bring some black tape with you to make new numbers as I want all team members to display the same numbers because this will make it much easier to score. Cheers Gray Quote
the_fettler Posted August 5, 2004 Report Posted August 5, 2004 the aim is to run the Endurance event annually on this weekend from now on. Oh well at least i'll be able to enter the next one, my 2 kite buddies are both working & now i'vew got no excuse to not goto Wales for the weekend. grrrrr. 11 days til Black Monday:mad: Hopefully it wont be for long though. Good luck to all you racers out there & I'll chat to my man who looks after the weather for you all. Adios Quote
8015 Posted August 5, 2004 Report Posted August 5, 2004 I looks like we will have a lot of sorting out with teams for this event as it seems that pilots are unable to organise them selves at all. It’s simple find 3 pilots and get them all to register on the web site with the same number, preferably a number that one of you already uses that way there should be no conflict between team numbers. If you are unable to find other team members try posting and if all else fails we can try and sort teams on the Fri evening and Sat morning. In this case bring some black tape with you to make new numbers as I want all team members to display the same numbers because this will make it much easier to score. Cheers Gray Yeah, how slack are we???? Only 2 of us (need to contact my team mate and see exactly what his plan is regarding registering and our number, he doesn't seem to have replied for a while) - so does anyone else want to be in my team (or is it Bills team?), whatever it's called???? My plates are still constructed from black tape having made them in the clubhouse just before the last supercup, I'm thinking it's goingto be easier to use someone else's number as mine are readily changeable! JIM Quote
pauljarvis Posted August 5, 2004 Report Posted August 5, 2004 all to register on the web site with the same number, preferably a number that one of you already uses Is there a way to change registration details? I registered with my K number but the team will be using a different one. Quote
big-jon Posted August 5, 2004 Author Report Posted August 5, 2004 LoveKylie, should be no problem. All registration details can be sorted out on the day, if you want to paul, just send an email to Gray with any alterations Quote
8015 Posted August 5, 2004 Report Posted August 5, 2004 I interpret Grays messge there as being NO we can't enter 2-man teams, get our feckin fingers out and find third members or he'll do it for us on the day (and probably charge extra for wasting his time ). Still no reply from my mate, I assume we are still on! Any individuals wanting to join a team, it's not too late honest! Maybe I can book scud - he only has to sign in, if we are all using the same numbers no-one is actually going to notice if he races or not - where's the Hoylake thread - LOL!!!!!! JIM Quote
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