9thLayer Posted January 28, 2003 Report Posted January 28, 2003 I'm new to the whole kite thing but watching kitesurfers,buggys & mountainboarders attatched to a kite i have come to a question : Why use wheels on a mountainboard with a traction kite ?- would not a layer of nylon maybe covered in resin be better when speeding over wet sand ? The setup would look like a smaller version of the boards they use for kitesurfing. I'm getting used to 'scudding' on my feet but i would of thought a board with a extremly slippery base (resin coated) would be fun. (Correct me if i'm wrong, as i am new to all this but i do like building things......) Any input would be helpful (positive or negative) as i don't want to start building something that definitly will not work - But it does sound like a good idea.......... Quote
rasga Posted January 28, 2003 Report Posted January 28, 2003 hey there, some of the guys have sandboards, and there is talk about formica for the bottom (slippyness) but the problem i can see is that with this style board you can hold an edge with in the water, on land you can hold an edge with something like that well just think about when you scud:, have you ever been able to scud upwind?, i would find it very hard, something with wheels doesnt just my opinion, i think its all about being able to hold an edge Quote
johnboy Posted January 28, 2003 Report Posted January 28, 2003 The theory seems to work OK for a snowboard though - surely soft sand and sharp edges and you'll be charging. Even if it doesn't go upwind it could be loads of fun Give it a try and let me know how you get on John Quote
rasga Posted January 28, 2003 Report Posted January 28, 2003 i think on snowboarding with a kite, though you have less frictioim not sure, but with any successful design the key is being able to get backupwind (to stop the walk of shame) i am by no means an expert at this sort of thing! Quote
johnboy Posted January 28, 2003 Report Posted January 28, 2003 but with any successful design the key is being able to get backupwind nah the key is to have fun, if you have fun going downwind, then enjoy the walk back up the beach then so be it. - As to whether it will work, only one way to find out. Take it easy john Quote
rasga Posted January 28, 2003 Report Posted January 28, 2003 hey i think hd462 (sp?) look out for a post by him and check his sig, i think it has a link to it though from what he posts he mentions only being bale to go downwind but remember if you have a big long beach it helps to be able to get back up it! Quote
9thLayer Posted January 28, 2003 Author Report Posted January 28, 2003 Thankx, I've been looking at a site : http://www.kitesurfingschool.org. They have a complete guide on how to build your own kiteboard, which is great. also they have a section on ' finless wakeboarding on sand ' & they say you can't seem to go upwind But i think i'll give the whole thing a go ! (Although i'll spend a while getting used to the whole traction kite concept 1st) But i seem to be getting the hang of scudding OK By the way,if anyones interested - Check out http://www.kitesurfingschool/kiteboarding.htm for the lowdown on how to make your own kiteboard !!! Quote
Christ on abike Posted January 29, 2003 Report Posted January 29, 2003 I myself am building a sand board and have seen other people use them i myself can't wait to try it out but the only thing is if it dry sand then there is to much friction and so it will be hard work but if it is soggy mud ridden sand full of silt and slippery tuff it is simply brilliant.That is why people use mountain boards on dry sand because it's pretty hard and fun.I am building a sand board for one purpose andthat is cleethorpes international festival as the beach there is to soft at the top and to wet and mudd at the sea so a mountain board won't work properly on either so sand board. Quote
jocook Posted January 29, 2003 Report Posted January 29, 2003 how long is your sandboard from tip to tip? Quote
9thLayer Posted January 29, 2003 Author Report Posted January 29, 2003 The design i'm probably going to use is 120cm tip 2 tip ! Using the snowboard template rather than the 'wakeboard' template - With footstraps setup 'mountainboard' stylee ! Quote
npeac Posted January 31, 2003 Report Posted January 31, 2003 if the objective is only funthen nae probs it works well. i had a go on sand wet and dry and wet grass on my finless board and the reason u cant go upwind is static and dyanmic friction. everyone knows u need more juice out on the water as u have to get pulled out of the water. if u r overpowered what thehell water is soft and once u r planing everything is cool. the problem on wet sand is when u stand on the board u get stiction(think two plates of glass with a bit of fluid between em) i am sure there is a scientific term here and stand by for correction. the amount of power u need to overcome this is hefty. the kind of power u want is lift rather than pull, so a kite that is overpowered at zenith is ideal as less weight is on the ground. this is obviously not good if loosing control. u can get round the stiction by making multi small holes in the surface to create the golf ball effect (not even going to try and explain that due to the stellar effect) this will reduce the surface tension. another option is to do a dry water start and jump into movement a sif u land moving it takes less power to keep moving than it would take to get moving (think u and a mate shovin a car but once it s mg only one is needed to keep it moving. back to the start then how long will the fun last, well the skill needed to do this is more than to mt board so if u like building get doon scrappie and find some wheels as youll go faster get more drenalin and stay up wind. trust me its worth it. Quote
hasbin acharlie Posted February 3, 2003 Report Posted February 3, 2003 ive built a sand board, ive tried it on wet grass and found that even using my 4.9 blade i was being ripped out /off. the board just got a tremendous amount of suction to the floor as soon as it started to slide. ive also tried it at the beach on wet sand and found the same thing happens... i tried it the other day in the snow for a laugh found it wanted to slide ok, but my down fall was i hadent fitted any grip tape even tho i have m/b bindings on it, my feet were just slipping out as both top and bottom if my board are coverd in laminate (formica). to give extra strength... even when i did slide i found the snow wasnt deep enough to edge, who knows if we get more snow il have another go. now ive fitted some grip. i still havent tried it on a dry sand or in the dunes yet.... Quote
Dragartist Posted February 4, 2003 Report Posted February 4, 2003 Bonjourno, Sounds like a might fine thing to do to me. Had my walking boots up on the plane, on the last inch of the heels, last week when severly overpowered and was able to steer a course (but a long way from upwind). I think I must try to build one of these things aswell; Delusions of sliding majestically from sand to sea and back on micro sand board.... At least it will give my bearings a chance to cool down (Kheo) Oh , I can sea clearly now........... Quote
halswellp Posted February 4, 2003 Report Posted February 4, 2003 i don't kite board, wake board or anything except for fly my bee. but i want to get a kite board. anyway i throught you could put a couple of long fin the lenght of the board and i think it should add grip so you could go up wind. all they should not snap or break if they are small enough. what do you think? peter Quote
superfly Posted February 5, 2003 Report Posted February 5, 2003 If you add a 5-10mm edge on both sides of the underside of the board then as far as i can see there is no reason why it shouldn't work even down wind although the sand must be fairly hard..........give it a go this the only way..... Quote
Coolnutz Posted February 5, 2003 Report Posted February 5, 2003 i think on snowboarding with a kite, though you have less frictioim not sure Actually there is way more power loss due to friction on a snowboard. Water 1st --snow 2nd--- Mountain boards 3rd. Mountain boards are the most efficient Quote
9thLayer Posted February 6, 2003 Author Report Posted February 6, 2003 I think it'sa case of getting the board to work properly on different 'Sand zones' (dry,damp & hard) or wet & soft etc... Quote
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