Appalling Scenes on TV

[ady]

Shoot the fuckers !!!! nuff said.

[Benbarden]

Bring in the big guns and put them down the planet das not need people like that

[midlandtony]

Plastic bullets and water cannons don't kill but fire and beating does.

[Pyro_Stu]

Problem is that the police using harsher tactics will only annoy more people and escalate things, any action against them needs to come from the rest of the communities they're damaging, otherwise they'll just use police brutality as justification for the rioting.

[Squarehead666]

Wow, it's all very facist on here.....Jackboots all round is it?

 

Listen to yourselves!

 

All the best

Andy S.

[dreadycraig]

BBC News - London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'

 

Which seems fair enough seeing as 'the rich' pretty much do as they want

 

you serious dude? it's just a bunch of thugs who are taking advantage of the police being preoccupied so they can steal as much as they can.

BBC News - Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London

[harry_a]

slightly blunt way of putting it, but referring to a dead-end neighborhood you've been unlucky enough to get born into- if you can't polish a turd why would you then decide to go piss on it? surely this just makes things worse?

[5N1TCH]

you serious dude? it's just a bunch of thugs who are taking advantage of the police being preoccupied so they can steal as much as they can.

BBC News - Injured boy mugged during disturbances in London

 

Not all criminals wear hoodies, wouldn't you say stealing peoples pensions and futures is criminal? I don't condone whats happening but it should be seen in perspective, a lot of these people have very little and see no reason why they shouldn't grab what they can when the opportunity arises, its a mistake not to listen to what they are saying just because its uncomfortable to hear it.

[jonboy24]

Not all criminals wear hoodies, wouldn't you say stealing peoples pensions and futures is criminal? I don't condone whats happening but it should be seen in perspective, a lot of these people have very little and see no reason why they shouldn't grab what they can when the opportunity arises, its a mistake not to listen to what they are saying just because its uncomfortable to hear it.

 

Wow, just how far have you got your head stuck in the sand!!?

[PurpleMonkey]

Wow, just how far have you got your head stuck in the sand!!?

 

 

Stuck up his ass more like.

 

 

yeah it is uncomfortable to hear that rioters were jeering and laughing at people fearful for their lives whilst cowering in a restaurant as the thugs smashed the windows and set fire to buildings and cars in the street. But hey, they can't afford a foreign holiday this year because they spent all their benefits on a new hoodie and mask, so instead of going abroad and smashing up a holiday resort, they decide to smash up their own neighbourhoods. F@cking morons!

Edited August 9, 2011 by PurpleMonkey

[PurpleMonkey]

see no reason why they shouldn't grab what they can when the opportunity arises.

 

I can't afford a new kite so if i ever meet you, I am taking all your kites!!!!! Because it is ok to do so!

[5N1TCH]

I can't afford a new kite so if i ever meet you, I am taking all your kites!!!!! Because it is ok to do so!

 

Are you sure you'd do that? I don't think you would because you'd be worried about the implications and what you've got to lose....

[The Geoff]

For some of the rioters this is probably the highlight of their lives, the most exciting thing they've ever been involved in, its not everyone who has money to buy kites or laptops or jet off on foreign holidays.

 

I saved up for 3 years to buy my last kite. I was living on £10 a day, including food, beer, tobacco, electricity, gas, council tax and the rest. Even if you're poor you can afford to save up for a kite, it doesn't take much. These people can afford the plasma screens and phones they're stealing, they just can't be arsed waiting a few years and putting the effort in.

[Squarehead666]

Yeah.....There are much better ways of getting free TVs:

 

Link To: Anorak News Hazel Blears Does Not Steal TVs From Comet: She Buys Them And Gives The Taxpayer The Bill

 

The hypocrisy of the current situation beggars belief.....Bankers and their political puppets have been robbing the public for centuries. They focus primarily on the middle class as the poor don't actually have anything that they want, except the ability to scare the bejesus out of those who have clawed their way slightly further up the social/financial scale.

 

FWIW & All the best

Andy S.

[Bigmp]

All i will say is that if the violence spread up to Scotland... I will personally find the person that started it and kick their ass from here to kingdom come. especially that Glaswegian twat! serves him right getting arrested for it.

I like the logic of the looters... "We are getting our taxes back..." yeah and what do you think your taxes for the next year will be spent on... oh that is right replacing all the stolen stock and paying for repairs to damaged shops... buying new buses/cars.

[PieGuy]

Matthew Moore - Truly extraordinary speech by fearless West Indian woman in face of #Hackney rioters. Pls watch - Twitvid

 

This woman says it nicely (strong language)

[Spock]

atleast the bbc didn't have to spend the licensing fee on travelling to egypt or libya to see riots. it may mean that they could stretch to a couple of extra episodes of doctor who, which will be a bonus. the police will have a good bargaining tool aswell when they are faced with more cuts.

 

it's a bit gut wrenching when you see peoples homes going up, but it was always going to happen, i remember thinking asmuch when watching the riots in egypt. why are we offering them advice on how to deal with it, how to stop it happening again, when we are not that far away from it ourselves.

[eric1599968691]

Wow, it's all very facist on here.....Jackboots all round is it?

 

Listen to yourselves!

 

All the best

Andy S.

 

its starting to sound like a recruting campain for the british national party

[L60N]

BBC News - London rioters: 'Showing the rich we do what we want'

 

Which seems fair enough seeing as 'the rich' pretty much do as they want

 

"Seems fair enough"? Get on your f*cking bike. Tell me what is fair about terrorizing innocent, hard working people?

 

IF there is a message to be sent out, send it to the people who can instigate a change. The old dear who just had her bakery burnt down doenst really figure in it does she.

 

Tell me what is fair, DO IT!

[coupey]

IF there is a message to be sent out, send it to the people who can instigate a change.

 

Give them the vote, otherwise they can't send a message.

[flylite56]

Quite a broad spread of opinions on this topic .. Well here is mine.. Seems to me we no longer have a police force we have a police service.. under funded and under staffed ,And how the times have changed seem to remember when the miners strike was on when decent hard working people were standing up for the right to work the police and the goverment were only to happy to kick the shit out of anyone and anything that got in there way...Same thing with the poll tax riots ..But now we have these poor little disafected kids on the street the police wont go near ...OH and what actually stared this was it not some low life little shit waving a gun around living out his sad inner city gangster dream and aw bless he got his self shot !!!!! yes i do understand that people are pissed off with the state this country is in .And yes if you have to riot to change the way a goverment treats you or trys to impose their will on you then fair enough ,But all this is just an excuse for moronic little pricks to get out and cause mayhem ,,, From what i see these days everybody seems to want the cake and eat it ,, easy come easy go give me give me , And was'nt it nice of david cameron to cut short his holiday to get out and get that photo opertunity in.. SO all in all we have a goverment that cant be arsed we have a police service that cant or wont do its job and we have a shit load of parents that cant parent .... dont bode well does it ....

[PurpleMonkey]

just dissafected kids with no voice and no future

 

 

Bullshit!! They have a voice and a future! They just have to make a conscious decision to make a future for themselves and make their voice heard, through the appropriate channels!!!

 

 

I am sick of people saying that if you are born poor you cannot make anything of your life.

[zimmer]

>>photoshoplooter

[Squarehead666]

I am sick of people saying that if you are born poor you cannot make anything of your life.

I don't think any one is saying you can't make anything of your life if you start out from a poor area.....Just that the odds against doing it are rather high.

 

All the best

Andy S.

[Steve1599968621]

Thoughts from ground zero: this is written by a friend of mine who lives in Clapham. Luckily she has managed to avoid any harm herself. She was responding to American friends on Facebook asking what the fuck was going on.

 

ok - so the view Stateside is a bit melodramatic is it? Well here's thoughts from one person who grew up in Clapham Junction.

 

I took no pleasure in seeing scum tear up the place I've called home since 1974, but I'm also not surprised either.

 

When the Brixton riots happened in the 80's, they nearly reached Clapham Junction but not quite. Not the same circumstances for the riot but depressingly the same politics and polemics is being spouted across the media.

 

Back then, Clapham Junction and the Northcote Road area was poor and working class. No taxi's ever came south of the river but there was a community. Then, in the 80's, the housing market took off and Battersea became gentrified in parts, especially around Northcote Road and Clapham Junction. Affluent people moved in, the place became more middle class (you couldnt move for estate agents!) and they started calling it Clapham instead of Battersea, because that sounded higher class.

 

However, just like any area in any big city which gets gentrified, pockets of poverty get left behind and the divide becomes all the more sharp - same has happened across cities in the USA too? Lots of investment but none of it benefiting in any way the poor who were already living there.

 

Since then, the media and the politicians have routinely attacked the working class (regardless of ethnicity) and left behind a culture of the haves and have nots. Although the working class are now split into two. I consider myself working class. My parents were and I've worked all my life - never been on benefits - and there are millions just like me. But then there's a benefit class - those who've never worked and who think it pays more to stay on benefits...these are mostly those who I'm referencing from now on.

 

The have nots have bred in ever younger numbers, have had no guidance or support from anyone really and bred a generation who've grown up being told that "no-one has the right to tell you anything. Don't take shit from anyone. You deserve it" and fed on programmes feeding an impossible reality - that all people deserve riches and fame - they believe they deserve the material things which are out of their reach, as a right of birth. They don't believe they have to work for anything.

 

Now, I don't condone what has happened in the past couple of days - far from it. But I've also heard the media and too many educated people asking "why? how could they do such a thing? why would they think that's right?"

 

Do they really expect a reasonable answer to questions like that?

 

The majority of those people looting and setting fire to London were poor and young. These people don't give a shit about the media or politicians opinions of them - they've been demonised for so long it's water off a ducks back. University or education of any kind doesn't register. They've been abandoned by successive governments who've closed down youth clubs and any scheme that might give them a sense of self worth or self respect. What do they care? They want a new ipad or a new iphone or new nike trainers or just anything that'll come out of a shop window because they're brainwashed by advertising, the telly and the media that they deserve it.

 

We all know they don't - but they just don't give a shit and why should they? They had nothing and now they have material shit...it's a win in their minds.

 

There were also a number of white, middle class trustafarians in the background of the riots in Brixton - those who have the money to be professionally poor - there's not enough time to express my hatred for these people - they should know better but they exploit the situation.

 

The parents of the young people involved - some of them have no control, some of them gave birth as children themselves, some of them are feral - they are all responsible too.

 

None of what happened in Clapham Junction last night was 'mindless'. All of the looters there had been on BBM since early that day, planning it. My sister overheard two teenagers in Clapham Junction at 6pm saying "I can't wait til they start smashing the shops in". It was a planned raid - a shopping trip. They had the numbers and they knew to a certain point that they wouldn't be too heavily challenged - they were going to take their chances anyway and when they realised there were a dozen police at most, they had carte blance and went through the shops like locusts...at leisure!

 

No police are going to risk their lives for a mobile phone shop or a MacDonalds because everybody knows big companies are insured to the hilt and exploit their workers in China and India and also exploit their customers - why die for a faceless corporation?

 

On the media now, all politiicians are wetting themselves to appear the toughest - yep, the toughest millionaire who is attacking the working class and the public sector but, strangely isn't attacking the bankers who are still awarding themselves bonuses or the gas and oil companies who are hiking their prices against their ordinary customers whilst still recording record profits. The media and politicians all seem to assume that the people looting are ignorant but even if they're not actively reading papers or watching the news, they are accutely aware of the double standards and betrayal that those in power are imposing.

 

I voted Labour until I was betrayed by Tony Blair. In the last general election, I voted for the Liberal Democrats because they pledged that a vote for them was a vote against the Conservatives - I was betrayed. I'm intelligent and fairly worldly wise and I feel betrayed and hopeless now.

 

I work in the public sector - I'm one of the public sector workers who the politicians are routinely demonising for leeching off the 'taxpayer'. However, I'm working so I'm also one of these saintly and hard hit 'taxpayers' - ironic? All of the frontline services are being decimated in the name of saving money for the local authority and the government - but none of the top management are taking a pay cut - none of the management are losing their performance related pay, but all other staff in Adult Social Services are...explain that. David Cameron isn't working as a volunteer in his Big Society - why? He's a millionaire. He doesn't need the wage.

 

All youth services are facing the axe because they're not sympathetic to the voters and the media, same goes for drug and alcohol services, single people homelessness services, ex-offenders services - all the services which, as preventative services, cost much less in the long run than just cutting them now and picking up the pieces when the shit really hits the fan.

 

I've met some really inspiring young people, who have grown up in truly dire circumstances but they were lucky to have been blessed with intelligence. Most of the young looters are just the usual sheep - one of my old drama teachers used to call the masses 'cannon fodder' - following their peers and staying with the herd. Unfortunately, most of them will amount to nothing - but then why should they aspire to anything when they have nothing in the first place?

 

There isn't an easy solution - in a way, it's probably already too late. Sounds nihilistic but then, most of those out looting last night are nihilists - only they don't know that word.

 

I feel extremely sorry for the people who lost their livelihoods, those who work for big companies but who won't get paid for the time off because their workplace is currently burnt out and for those who lost their homes.

 

I hope good things eventually come of this but with our media and politicians and materialistic society, well...we'll see.