mylo Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Hi just wondering which is the better kite the scorpion or venom / venom 2 I allready fly a 16m scorpion and im looking for a higher wind twinskin 13m or 10m to extend my flying range i have seen many posts on here about the venoms and how there is not much difference between the venom and venom 2 but not seen post comparing the two makes I was also wondering does the vpc system make a lot of difference in kite performance and turning is the venom slower turning because it does not have this sorry loads of questions but you guys are the experts and hopefully have the answers Many thanks Mylo Quote
plummet Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 i can't help with the difference between scorp and venom. i can tell you i enjoyed my 10m venom when i had it. it came alive above 16 knots and i held it gusting to 35. Quote
Skyhooked Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 i think the mid AR arcs around the 10m size have been sorted for a very long time - since the G2 perhaps. turning speed on the 10m arcs isn't an issue, they turn plenty fast enough i reckon the venom2 10m is a cracking arc if you can find one, the top end is very impessive. that said the 10m scorpion also has a mental top end, and sits very far forward in the window which gives it more depower and even better upwind - though in the winds these kites come alive getting upwind isn't usually an issue. i think the venom2 would be more stable than the scorpion of the same size as the scorpion tends to fly a lot faster towards the edge of the window making the power a bit on off don't suppose you have found a 10m synergy? Quote
guerilla Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 the tuning system on the v2 does help, it fine tunes your flying but the v2 loses some gust munching ability (less cells on the v more on the v2 this makes it more stable) the 10 v2 is like a wasp on steroids lol great fun, if you can find one grab it but the synergy i have only flown the 15 and for some reason did not like it so stuck with my v2 16 and bought a 13v, as when the wind pickd up i want to know the gusts arent too rough with me Quote
bradg Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Ive got a 13m scorp and it is fast as, i would recomend the 10m for higher winds allthough the venom in the same size would be slower and less aggressive Quote
gapsta Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 i fly a venom mk1 13m, seems most any arc 10 is like a wasp on roids(lol guerilla) a venom 10 scared the pants off me the first time i flew one after flying a 13m bomba for 3 months. then the guy who owned it broke his shoulder 30 mins after(naughty kite) love my 13 v1 though, super stable cheaper that a v2 and still has tons of adjustment to suit along with floaty lift and traction. i dont see the need to own another kite apart from my v1 13m as if its too windy to fly that it too god damn windy, i weigh in around 15-16 clem. id love a slighty bigger arc though especially a scorpian for the extra apparent wind and lift in lower wind situations for flying on grass. the v1 does great in low wind on a beach for me. Quote
cuckfield flyer Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 if you think the 10m v2 is quick you should try my 8m v2:eek: :eek: Quote
Lorax Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 Unfortunately did not have a chance to fly a V2 of the same size as Scorp one right after another, but it seems to me that the biggest difference is higher aspect ratio in Scorp and therefore higher flying speed, lift, better upwind performance, less side pull and less stability (if arcs can be unstable ). V2 is more stable, turns faster, has more pull easier to water/relaunch. The VPC line in my opinion deos not make much of a difference. I own Scorpion 13m, Venom-2 10m, Synergy 8m. Have flown Scorp 10m, but only once, so it's really hard to judge. I personally prefer V2 over Scorp and Synergy over V2. Quote
mylo Posted January 25, 2009 Author Report Posted January 25, 2009 Hi thanks everyone for your opinions there does'nt seem to be much difference between the two kites,Both kites being quite aggressive (scorpion more) vpc not worth having on small kites as they all turn quickly, venoms slightly more stable but then arcs are stable by nature. The kites seem very well matched So i think i will try and find myself a 10m scorpion only because its a high aspect ratio and should give a faster fly and bigger jumps Many thanks for all your opinions you have answered a lot of questions Cheers Mylo Quote
1991-smithy Posted January 25, 2009 Report Posted January 25, 2009 if you have the money buy a synergy, mega quick, so much float. Awsome kites. If i had to choose theo between scorpian and venom id say venom. just think they are better kites. just my opinion cheers Dan Quote
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