just chopping in my torch 4's for vegas 08's.
The torch is a light kite, its built light and feels light in the sky with not much in the way of bar pressure. There isnt much throw on the bar but you dont really need it, the double depower works well but you cant steer the kite in this mode its really just a get out of trouble thing.
The torch 9m is very sweet, nice and quick, I thought the 12m was a little slow to turn but as they all fly on the same bar i guess its no surprise. The bar itself is pretty good although a little fussy and complex for me (there is lots going on with the double depower), the chicken loop is **** and the chick dick doesnt really do anything. There is loads of room for adjustment though with leader lines etc, this is a good thing as the kites dont fly great out of the bag, I found I had to shorten the steering lines in order to get the kite to perform at its best.
So they take some setting up and setups will need to be changed if you switch to the 'grunty' mode.
Once you have the kite setup though they are sweet, good range and a surprising bottom end too.
Vegas I think is more like a truck compared to the torch, it feels a lot more solid in the air and there is significantly more bar pressure (although not quite in bow territory), you tend to feel that you are more powered than you actually are which is a bit strange.
These kites are built like no other, lots of super heavy duty material, built to last. The bar is top drawer, very simple, all parts easy to replace, chicken loop is the best I have come across. Again 1 bar for all kites but they are adjustable for the smaller sizes.
The vegas turns quicker than the Torch, I would say the 14 is on par with the 12m torch, and for a big kite it loops well.
Again these kites have a good bottom end, very grunty, but the top end goes on and on, huge wind range.
Both jump well, 9m torch is awsome, havent tried the 9m vegas yet so would be unfair to compare.
If you want a light feeling kite, with little bar pressure, quick setup (octopus) then I would go Torch. If you want to be trucked along, like a heavier feeling quicker kite and are willing to pay a lot more for the build then go with the vegas.