as mentioned i never said that and did mention you should only fly in what you feel comfortable with and did say he was overpowered in 30MPH. and as for 30 knots, i could fly my 10 m nemi in more then that. once again, that is what i am comfortable with, hell i like flying my 19m speed in over 20mph. thats just me and can forward on loads of people on this site that has seen me do this. i have no reason to lie, am just being honest, thats all! my point i was trying to make originally was towards the furia, not a torch or any other c kite. i mentioned what i fly it in, please note i mentioned that wind as mentioned i have flown many kites, for example my 07 13m waroo i use to own i could not fly it in the same wind range as the furia, that was my point, he asked for a kite with a massive wind range and i gave him one!